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I get that there's a tradition in wrestling to not jump up the rankings unless you beat a higher-ranked wrestler, but when will a ranker out there move him to at least #4? If you look at his performance at U20 worlds (one of the best indicators of NCAA success) and his absolute dominance so far this year, does anybody doubt that he should be in the top 4? If it were me, i'd move him to #2. Maybe Carr was rusty early and beats him, but I doubt it.

With all the talk on Happy Valley Insider and Go Iowa Awesome about whether Penn State will break Iowa’s all-time NCAA team scoring record it is time to put some stuff straight. The first thing is that Iowa fans are more fatalistic than PSU fans are optimistic. Each site ran a poll asking if this PSU team could reach 1997 Iowa’s team scoring record of 170 points. While only 18.8% of voters (13 of 69) on the PSU site thought it would happen, 30.8% of voters (45 of 146) on the Iowa site had that uneasy feeling. Both fan bases surprise me with their takes. But the real issue is… What is the team scoring record? Well, why do you ask? Can’t you just look it up? Seesh, this guy really does know nothing. I did look it up. And what I found was Lee Corso standing in my way saying, “Not so fast, my friend”. When Iowa put up their 170 team points in 1997 the rules for scoring the results of a match, for advancement, and for placement were different than they are now. Scoring 1997 v 2024 There are differences between then and now in all three elements of team scoring. Bonus - In 1997 they distinguished between a tech fall without back points (called a match termination) and one with back points (called a tech fall). A match termination was worth 1 team point, while a tech fall was worth 1.5 team points. Today they are all worth 1.5 team points. So, we need to adjust Iowa’s total by adding a half point to any match terminations (foreshadowing – this will get tricky). Advancement – In 1997 the tournament was scored as a 64-man bracket whenever there was a pig tail. Not every weight had pigtails though. Today it is always scored as a 32-man bracket with a pigtail. So, what is the difference? In a 64-man bracket everyone who wins a first round match in the championship (or consolation) bracket gets an extra point (or half point). For example, in a 64-man bracket the winner gets 5 advancement points instead of the current 4 points. Placement - Placement points for third through eighth place were also different in 1997. We will also need to adjust Iowa’s total for these differences. Putting It All Together The 1997 Iowa team loses the extra 4.5 advancement points available in their 64-man brackets at 142, 158, 177, 190, and 275. But they get an extra bonus point at 150 as Lincoln McIlravy’s 1-point match terminations become 1.5-point tech falls. They also pick up an extra 5 placement points for their sixth and fifth place finishes. Adding it all up and 1997 Iowa now has 171.5 points. That is the real point record PSU needs to shoot for.

Just think if he didn't redshirt in middle school, he would have had the opportunity to compete in four NCAA tournaments.

Tier 1: O'Toole Tier 2: Mesenbrink and Carr Tier 3: Hamiti, Olejnik, Ramirez, Caliendo Tier 4: Amine, Fish, Hall

According to Wrestlestat, as of today (Jan 29) there are 25 remaining undefeated wrestlers, including at least one undefeated wrestler at every weight. Those undefeated wrestlers are: 125- Davis 133- Fix 133- Ragusin 133- Crookham 141- Woods 141- Bartlett 141- Sullivan (3-0) 149- Lovett 149- Gomez (4-0) 157- Haines 157- Zerban 157- Lee (3-0) 165- KOT 165- Mesenbrink 174- Starocci 174- Lewis 184- Keckeisen 197- Brooks 197- Hidlay 197- Buchanan 197- Glazier 285- Hendrickson 285- Kerkvliet 285- Bastida 285- Elam

It comes from Vegetarian parents. Check their other kids. Names like Raddichio, Jicama and Kohlrabi.(some parents can't spell the last one so we get Kael) It is reported the next craze in names for wrestling kids will be Bamboo - as in "Bamboo, SHOOT" when yelling at the kid during a match.

1. No. 2. No. 3. No. 4. No. 5. No. You live in a fantasy world with fantasy beliefs about what I and others think.

...but he hasn't beaten anybody close to the level of what you're talking about. Even under wrestlestat's algorithmic approach, Mesenbrink is ranked 8th. Again, it's ok to have him prove his greatness on the mat. He's going to have the opportunity.

There is a time for all things. 30 trillion in debt while having struggling domestic citizens is an emergency that must be fixed before considering global help priorities. Go away with your global empathy narrative until it's time for the adults to revise priorities.

leduke is a bully of a man taking revenge because I said psu will never be in a, 'dual of the year.' 8-2 psu.

It's more impressive than that. Forrest is a sophomore. Class of 2026. I was one of those on the Lehigh Sports Forum insisting that Stanich should have med forfeited in the finals. Had he won, he would have gained nothing, except to prove that he hadn't ducked a high schooler -- in essence, winning a lot of flame and air (Man of La Mancha reference). Had he been injured .... well, at least his redshirt hasn't been blown for this season, so he'd still have four seasons available to him. But losing -- Forrest is now the winter favorite for an NCAA title in 2027, and if Stanich finishes in the top few at NCAAs then the sports world knows that a high school kid could likely beat the best in college.

The Penn state guys should be out of consideration based on strength of schedule… their team dodges top competition for the first half of season

Sta(l)rocci was a punk long before that dual. If you were to look for a heel on the team prior to that most people would have said Sta(l)rocci, as it were. That said... this is entirely on the Maryland coaching staff for not preparing their squad appropriately.

I’m excited for Star vs Welch. No one ever tries to push the pace against Carter. I don’t think Welch knows how to go backwards. so this will be a fun match. I think Carter wins comfortably but it’s going to be fun watching 2 guys scrap for 7 minutes

This is my first attempt at guessing the shortest and tallest at each weight. 125: Conrad Hendrikson to Drake Ayala 133: Daton Fix to Dustin Norris 141: Beau Bartlett to Kai Owen 149: Austin Gomez to Ty Watters 157: Jared Franek to Alex Hornfeck 165: Antrell Taylor to Brevin Cassella 174: Gabe Arnold to Cade DeVos 184: Parker Keckeisen to Reece Heller 197: Aaron Brooks to Cole Urbas 285: Nick Feldman to Greg Kerkvliet Which ones did I get wrong? Any suggestions?

Men's freestyle[edit] Event Gold Silver Bronze 57 kg Zaur Uguev Dagestan Musa Mekhtikhanov Dagestan Gulomjon Abdullaev Uzbekistan Akhmed Idrisov Dagestan 61 kg Abasgadzhi Magomedov Dagestan Muslim Mekhtikhanov Dagestan Sardor Ruzimov Uzbekistan Kezhik Mongush Tuva 65 kg Gadzhimurad Rashidov Dagestan Tömör-Ochiryn Tulga Mongolia Dalgat Abdulkadyrov Dagestan Aripgadzhi Abdulaev Dagestan 70 kg Kurban Shiraev Dagestan Inalbek Sheriev Moscow Oblast Magomed-Bashir Khaniev Azerbaijan Aisen Potapov Yakutia 74 kg Magomedkhabib Kadimagomedov Belarus David Baev Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug Magoma Dibirgadzhiev Dagestan Bekzod Abdurakhmonov Uzbekistan 79 kg Khalid Yakhiev Chechnya Magomed Magomaev Bryansk Oblast Akhmed Usmanov Dagestan Kasum Kasumov Dagestan 86 kg Artur Naifonov Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug Arslan Bagaev Moscow Tazhitin Akaev Moscow Malik Shavaev Dagestan 92 kg Magomed Kurbanov Dagestan Mohammadmobin Azimi Iran Azamat Zakuev Crimea Mustafagadzhi Malachdibirov Dagestan 97 kg Abdulrashid Sadulaev Dagestan Shamil Musaev Dagestan Ramazan Shabanov Dagestan Aliaksandr Hushtyn Belarus 125 kg Zelimkhan Khizriev Saint Petersburg Anzor Khizriev Saint Petersburg Nikita Khabarov Yakutia Deng Zhiwei China

141 Cole Matthews? 184 Clayton Whiting to Will Feldkamp

Only 3 stalls per match?

The record books won't look back on this bracket as fondly as deserved. A junior world champ is guaranteed to do no better than third place despite being head and shoulders above the competition. A previous NCAA champion is guaranteed to lose. And these three may repeat this tournament multiple times for the next decade battling for world and olympic team spots.

Us? Which us? Allen Foster Dulles? Theodore Roosevelt? Whom of us treated these people poorly and deserve what we are getting? The people of Chicago whose schools were shut down to house these - according to you - people simply giving the people of Chicago what they deserve? The people of Denver whose hospital systems are claiming near collapse? Are those Denverites the ones who deserve this because they did something to the 100+ countries from which strollers are walking and swimming into Texas? Or is it the people of El Paso, Eagle Pass, Laredo, Brownsville, and every other border town who negatively affected people in 100+ countries and therefore deserve this and are just playing hot potato by passing their deserved punishment on to the those less deserving people in New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Massachusetts, Denver, etc. who don't really deserve it I have a couple questions for TD3 in particular and the whole "we deserve the close and personal presence of uninvited non-Americans in our lives" crowd: - Why don't the 81 million voters/endorsers for this open border policy (Biden said he was going to do it. He did not equivocate about it) identify themselves and take in a strapping young military aged man to sleep in their daughter's bedroom, eat their food, watch their TV, drive their car, get an equal vote on all household matters, etc. while he awaits his immigration hearing? 3 million BIden-illegals leave another 78 million Biden voters with a welcoming house, food, utilities, etc. to share with their new besties. - How many illegals per day is the number we deserve? 10,000 a day doesn't seem to make you blanche. How about 20,000 a day? 50,000? When do even you say, "Ok, that XXX millionth illegal alien in the country giving us what we deserve now makes it right. Commence normal immigration law enforcement and rational policies again."?

Doctor: "Also, pull up your sleeve. I have a new shot we're testing out, mRNA experimental stuff. The manufacturer is completely indemnified against any outcomes whatsoever. It will also help you not worry about what's happening 30 years from now."

The Ivy League didn't compete the "free year," so, no. 2018: grey shirt 2019: 4th as freshman 2020: Olympic RS (not enrolled) 2021: COVID-cancelled Ivy League (also not enrolled) 2022: 3rd as sophomore 2023: 1st as junior 2024: TBD 2025: N/A

Wisconsin youth stars like O'Toole, Mesenbrink, and Hopke finding homes else where because Bono hasn't developed good relationships with Askren and others who are influential on the local youth scene. Outgoing AA Transfers: Evan Wick, Austin Gomez The whole Burwick thing was so unnecessary and certainly a reputational black eye for the program. Hamiti appears to be the exact same guy they got as a true freshman and continues to be stuck a level or two below championship contender. I think they're doing a reasonable job for a college program in a vacuum, but since their youth scene is so strong, the people of Wisconsin are right to have higher expectations for their college program. Might be time for a fresh look to make sure that is more aligned.

Nearly sprained an optic nerve eyerolling at this.

I can't ***ducking** believe JC whiffed on the opportunity to call it team Ionel...

I was thinking about Bo Nickal when reading that too. They do not come much more jacked than Patrick Brucki, yet this happened.

I think people are underrating the year hamiti is having a bit 18-1 only loss 2-0 to Carr and an 84% bonus rate with a 15-0 win over fish (also a 5-3) 18-3 over hepner 2 pins over beau man, 2 majors over Cael Carlson who is having a bad year but is generally pretty tough and a 12-0 win over hall who has been great. I know he had the loss to olejnik but he lived on his legs just couldn't figure out that shin whizzer position where olejnik is outstanding.

Why don't you just read the thread where all of this was discussed already? Rhetorical question. I already know the answer.

I can't believe someone would argue for experimenting on children. There is seriously something wrong with you if you think it is okay to give KIDS biologically altering drugs of any sort because of how they feel. As adults...go for it, do whatever your little heart desires to your body and chemical make-up, but doing that to KIDS is f'ing sick!

He would absolutely melt Shapiro. Shapiro gasses badly against guys not known for pace. Mesenbrink would have him falling over by the end of the 2nd. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Brooks, Starocci and Kerk all wrestled and soundly beat the #2 guys in the country. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Your prediction looks more reasonable. I think Gage's prediction is off a little bit. It will be good match, the 6 freshman for Ohio State will be really challenged and tested but I don't think they will back down. Big fan of both programs. Nephew was a 2 time all-American for Penn State.

My eyes tell me MM better than Haines. they probably left it up to MM on what spot he wanted to challenge for and he chose 165 Hell. If MM was at 157 I think it would be a “next topic” scenario.

I agree on this take. Bartlett wrestles close matches against guys afraid to lose and he tends to win comfortably against guys who aren't afraid to open up a little bit. Mendez isn't afraid to press the accelerator to the floor. It will either work or it won't. A 3 to 1 advantage one way or the other is how I see it.

It could get ugly indeed.

If Carr and Otoole split. And Mitchell runs the table and beats Hamiti and Caliendo I don't see anyway he's not the #1

None I think Carr or O’Toole will be 1 seed depending on who wins B12s. Loser could possibly get the 4 which would be wild my thoughts on how it will play out.. 1 seed will be undefeated or one loss B12 champ 2 Undefeated B10 champ (swap with 3 if Hamiti or Caliendo win) 3 Ramirez 4 Loser B12 championship

If Carr and Otoole spilt matches and he's undefeated he's the #1

Having Carr in Tier 2 is the wildest thing I've seen on this board this year....congrats

Now I want a doughnut

125 - Davis dec McCrone - 3-0 133 - Nagao dec Bouzakis - 6-0 141 - Mendez dec BB - 6-3 149 - D'Emilio dec Kasak - 6-6 157 - Haines dec Wilcox - 9-6 165 - Mesenbrink tech Hepner - 14-6 174 - Starocci dec Welsh - 17-6 184 - Rogotzke fall Truax 17-12 (Upset Special) 197 - Brooks dec Geog - 20-12 285 - Kerkvliet dec Feldman - 23-12 Nittany Lions

you gotta give Lee credit, what we thought was the most stable weight was actually the most chaotic, but Lee imposed so much order on it we had no idea.

So is the NFL going to cancel the halftime show they have planned and let Taylor do it? They could double their ticket prices.

What does that have to do with you implying Wrestlingrasta might be a doing improper things with his children? I think we can have conversations and leave those kind of comments in the gutter where they belong.

Shane liegel wrestled d3. Pretty cool he’s ranked at 16. Would be a cool story if he made the podium.

They need Askren

Great job by Malik Amine on the mic. I don't imagine he has a lot of practice, but he is already doing a strong job.

It's good the D's are rich enough to go out and buy a black outfit for the occasion. Real working class heros. What a bunch of idiots that want the young women of Utah to possibly get horribly hurt. I have reffed intramural sports that were co-ed. We had to calm guys down that were going at it too hard and hurting the women. Bunch of idiots. mspart

Veritas - A man pursues his lifelong dream of becoming a national wrestling champion at the risk of losing his eyesight. A man... A MAN?!? That "man" is none other than LEHIGH's JON TRENGE!!! An EXCELLENT movie documentary on how he managed wrestling after having a detached retina. Which happened towards the end of January of the dual season, prior to the post season during his RS frosh year. 3X EIWA champ... 3X AA going 2,2,3... If he didn't have the detached retina happening then, Jon would 've most likely been a 4X AA, let alone a possible 4X EIWA champ. He was that good. D3