Wrestleknownothing

Hola Amigos. It's been a minute. I was told to come check out this thread. And man is it bonkers. Some of the takes on here are a little out there. Comparing the NFL and MLB, two sports with insane resources (does the NFL or FIFA have THE greatest resources in the sporting world?) to college wrestling is one of the silliest things I have every seen. I thoroughly enjoyed reading @Jason Bryant's history of this site, its predecessors, and his ventures. As someone else who has spent a shit-ton of time typing data into a database, I understand his stance and feel his pain. And the amount of work I have done pales in comparison to his - and to what @cowcards has done with his WrestlingGuru site. I started doing this when my nephews got into wrestling. Now that they are done I often wonder why I still do it. I wholly support what WrestleStat is doing. As a matter of fact, I have wondered what has taken them so long. They provide so much value to this community and by not charging they run the risk that is now realized - their work would be taken for granted and people would develop a sense of entitlement to it. There are some on here in whom that sense is strong. Yes, WrestleStat has competitors now with matsavant, making it a risky time to shift their business model. But a word of warning there. I have found a few errors in their historical data without even trying too hard. For many wrestlers, what the wrestler's school page says does not foot with what matsavant has. It makes me wonder what the source of their data is. There is no indication on the site about where they got their data. To spring up fully formed is a thing that makes you go hmmmm (if I squint I might convince myself that I see some of my DNA there). I look forward to them paywalling their data too. The ads on WrestleStat can drive you to distraction, but if you can handle this site you can handle pretty much anything. Now, with the pay version the ads will disappear. Halle-freakin-lujah. Well, have a good night. I need to log out here, log into WrestleStat, drop 40 bucks, and get back to my scotch. As I learned in central Europe this summer - Na zdrowie, egészségedre, prost, and na zdraví.

In the absolute most on brand way, I just attempted to edit my post moments after posting it, but apperently my header was too large, or at least.... I had to switch to my phone to finish the edit.

Sorry, this one is not about that kind of wrestling intelligence. Instead this is my screed against using artificial intelligence to answer wrestling questions. Really, though wrestling data is just my entry to the topic of how AI is currently designed to provide us with very bad answers that are very convincingly stated. Danger Will Robinson. It is a bit of a long one. Proceed at your own risk. https://wrestling.guru/2026/07/06/how-much-i-how-much-a/ Note: This website has become so exceedingly difficult to use that I think I will stop posting notices about my content here. I know. Good news. Some of you will cheer this development, pat Willie on the back for playing the long game, and get back to shouting at each other if and when you can access the site. But.....if you do want to see stuff, I will continue to post links on the various on3 message boards. If you haven't been there I would suggest it. They take a very novel approach to the internet. They have forums that are accessible. They contain their ads in a container. They have professional administrators. Who knew these things were possible in this day and age? Next thing you know we may be able send a man to the moon, or carry a telephone in our car, or watch our TV in color. I know that sounds crazy and futuristic to the denizens of a website like this, but I like to think of myself of a visionary. Mark my words, these are all possible in our lifetime.

From 1928 to 1967 there were 18 three time champs. Gemini is a crime against humanity. Earl McCready, Jack van Bebber, Conrad Caldwell, Rex Peery, Ross Flood, Wayne Martin, Stanley Henson, Joe McDaniel, David Arndt, Bill Koll, Hugh Peery, Myron Roderick, Dan Hodge, Ed Peery, Larry Hayes, Gray Simons, Yojiro Uetake, Mike Caruso.

A freakin Men

Like a Team Gorriaran Award? While I am on the subject of nice things... What the hell is going on with this site? It only works on 1 of my 3 devices anymore unless I clear my cache between page loads. (List of things I will not be doing: 1.) clearing my cache between page loads, 2.) lose weight, 3.) other stuff). Oof. Maybe reinvest some of the private forum scratch in system upgrades.

Not a lot. But I am trying to change that. In fairness, there doesn't seem to be much wrestling discussion on here lately either.

Maybe this can be the Intermat ad

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Yes, I did exclude 2020.

I came here to start a thread on this topic, but it looks like you beat me to it @AgaveMaria (by a mere 2 weeks). Here is my take.

I noticed the same. It is kind of like hiding my light under a bushel basket, but I just can't bring myself to be subjected to the Twitter algo.

That did not embed very well. Click the @ to get to the post with tables for AA's, finalists, and champs.

@wrestleknownothing.bsky.social #wrestling NCAA tournament qualifiers by years since high school bsky.app Some random stuff I looked at for the 5 in 5 write up, but wound up not using. Still, I thought it was interesting.

@flyingcement Huge kudos for doing this and sharing with everyone. Keep up the great work.

My pleasure. A lot of the time is always @cowcards. He has chased down so very much information about the history of wrestling. I just come along and take the glory.

Thank you

While we wait for the D1 Cabinet I thought I would take a shot. https://wrestling.guru/2026/04/30/5-in-5-what-might-that-look-like/

Rankings are used for predictions all the time, including by Flo, Intermat, and Wrestlestat. See their team tournament rankings. By assuming their rankings are accurate and applying scoring to them they are making predictions. Same for team dual rankings. And Jon Kozak is on on3 defending their rankings by quoting some of the same metrics I use. I am on pretty safe ground here.

One way to find out....

Who was the Mac Daddy collegiate wrestling ranker of 2026? I am on the edge of my seat. Was it @Kozak and JD Rader at Flo? Or maybe Earl Smith at Intermat? Anyone wanna guess the Wrestlestat Elo algo? Surely the coaches know better than anyone? Click to find out: https://wrestling.guru/2026/04/20/who-wore-it-best-ranking-the-rankers-2026/

https://wrestling.guru/2026/04/07/orange-is-the-new-black-and-third-is-the-new-first/

One departing thought. I did not include this in the post, but there is another way to compress the difference between a TD and stalling. You do not have to cut the value of a takedown, you could also increase the value of a stall. Instead of making the fourth stall call worth two points, make the second stall call worth two points. Then the progression would be - warning, 2 points, 1 point, 1 point, DQ. The reason I did not include it though is that it does not address one of the core issues - the propensity for ref's to swallow the whistle and not call any stalls.

I appreciate you too. I love hearing that baritone booming over the PA. And thank you for the kind words. But you know there is only one word I am interested in.....