VakAttack

It should go without saying that you take anything Minnow says with a block of salt. I'm just glad some other team is having the Eye of So-Wrong turning it's baleful gaze on another team.

Cold blooded!

There could not be a funnier situation in the history of wrestling forums then AJ going to Penn State or Okie State.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

In the Big 10, maybe.

What place will Ohio State be finishing?

Not confirmed, but heavily implied by some of Petersons recent Tweets. Plus minnow complaining about it.

If we can agree on the substantive part of the debate, I don't think we need to debate the semantics. I think he was pretty clearly poached. You don't. That's fine.

A conveniently amorphous standard! He was a wrestler at another school. He allegedly wanted to transfer earlier this year...then changed his mind and very publicly confirmed he would be staying put...and then 3 months later he's gone and also immediately has a new destination. Penn State is no better than anybody else. Well, that is in regards to the morality of going after other school's athletes. Obviously on the mat they're a lot better than everybody else.

I think you pretty much nailed it right there, lol.

Parsing semantics here, brother. Distinction without a difference.

He hasn't even committed to Iowa as of yet.

So we're done with politics, we're going to BDSM?

Life tip: I do not know what Pat Mineo says. The reporting came from Willie Saylor and Justin Basch. And the idea that I have to take what Welsh says here at face value is laughable. Lets assume for the purposes of this conversation that there WERE improper conversations had between Penn State and Welsh; he's at Penn State now. Do you think he's going to rat out the institution he just committed to for recruting or tampering violations? GTFOH, lol. As to Teemer and Buchanan, both guys were graduate transfers and thus not beholden to the transport window. According to Willie re: Teemer, he had an offer standing in front of him for a long time and he was just unsure what he wanted to do. This is such a ridiculous take I'm not sure where to begin, especially given it's from a guy advocating for Penn State. Glazier DNP'd (and did so again this year). Did you see the lineup Penn State put out there this year? The reason Iowa is so far behind (not that they would be competing with Penn State anyway) is because of doing it exactly the way you want them to. They relied on homegrown lesser recruits for years. It was not working. I dunno, your Mr. "Take Whatever the Wrestler Says at Face Value", right? So listen to Stephen Buchanon talk about his time at Iowa and what it's done for him and his love for the sport. Or watch his teammates mob him after he wins a title, including both guys that lost in the Finals earlier that session. Or listen to Patrick Kennedy talk about his love for the Brands brothers and what they did for him. Seems like the culture is just fine.

Didn't he get the same finish?