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Ironic that after years of being criticized for not having enough offense, Bartlett may have just taken down Carter Starocci and Cael Sanderson simultaneously.

God is always asking for cash so that tracks.

Wow

We as a community should fear indifference to bad, evil, or incompetence just as much - if not more - than the acts themselves. Bad is bad. Evil is evil. Incompetence is incompetence. Once a certain line is crossed, it’s unacceptable by any standard. Letting a wrestler stick their thumb up a training partner’s keester is simply bad. Grooming underage people - regardless of gender - is unequivocally evil. Failing to follow proper procedures to ensure a thorough investigation is the definition of incompetence. To act as if these things are not bad, evil, or incompetent is just as damaging as committing the act itself, because you are verbally excusing the acts. Words have value, and so does our courage to call out what’s truly wrong. Yes, there’s a legal process that must play out to determine guilt. But even before that, defending any of these actions - or trying to claim they aren’t evil, bad, or incompetent - is phucking abhorrent.

"What kind of whore?" ~Kyle Snyder

People being caught up on the figure of money in items which may have been stolen out of all of this is really throwing me off.

In response to my returning points thread, someone on 34andcounting asked what kind of points could a freshman be expected to score at the NCAA Tournament. Using Willie's Big Board data I decided to take a look. One huge caveat is that the numbers below are fitted lines through some VERY noisy data. The first thing I looked at was the odds of qualifying for the tournament based on BB rank. There are 12 years worth of graduating classes in the data (2013 - 2023) that have completed true freshman and redshirt freshman years. For these calcs I am including true freshmen and redshirt freshmen for each high school graduating year. For example, for 2022 grads I include 2023 true freshmen plus 2024 redshirt freshmen. 80% of Success is Showing Up 100% of #1 Big Boarders qualified for the tournament as either a true freshman or a redshirt freshman. These are your only sure things. By the time you get to the #10 BB it is a 50/50 proposition whether they even qualify for the tournament, never mind score once they get there. No Participation Points But you can't just show up. Once a freshman makes the tournament they still need to score. Combining scoring with probability of making the tournament steepens the curve somewhat. At almost 18 points per, #1 BB can be expected to score in the high teens in their freshmen year (true or redshirt). But that is it. No other rank cracks double digits. And by the time you get to the #10 ranked freshman recruit you are looking at about 4 points. Bring in da' Noise, Bring in da' Funk That really should be Mitchell Mesenbrink's walk out music. Remember what I said about the noise in the data? Mesenbrink is the physical embodiment of that noise (and he was trained by the Master of Funk). As the #59 ranked wrestler in his class, the line above suggests he is good for about a half a point in his freshman year. Well, at 19.5 points he is what we would call an outlier. And the reason you should take this with a grain of salt.

Please go away.

I noticed Basch didn't make an infographic yet so I thought I'd help him out

Willie… maybe he really had no idea what was happening. Basch on the other hand. Fuk that guy. He was supposedly tight with Beau and he acted like nothing bad was happening just to protect Cael and the program. He is a PR guy disguised as a media member. Disgusting behavior from him.

I don't this doesn't come out as off-putting, but IMO we should just keep this thread to actual updates on Ben's health while avoiding playing doctor by trying to explain why, how, or what is going to come of Ben's current situation. I know that we are all on the same team, but we should stick to what we know based on the information that has been made public. I know that's not typically the spirit of a forum, but in this critical time, I don't think any of us want to give "opinion" on what may or may not be transpiring. This is an absolutely horrible situation, and I think we would all be best giving it space. Please continue to share updates, but let's not bring opinions or speculation into the picture anymore than necessary.

Do you think its a wrestling-specific problem? Or a problem that exists in power dynamics everywhere. It's a genuine question.

My prediction is that Bo gives a dogsh*t take on the whole thing.

Props to Bartlett and his wife for speaking openly and not behind an anonymous name. If more wrestlers/former teammates come out with similar allegations this could get ugly.

I just threw up a new database that has all ~40k matches that have taken place at the NCAA D1 championships. Check it out here. I just noticed the search and filter aren't working. I'm going to have to reach out to try and figure out why. Enjoy!

Never has so much time been spent talking about something that hardly ever happens. Thrust me on this, the people who have their panties in a bunch over this not only don’t watch women’s sports, they HATE women’s sports. It’s just an excuse for bigots to bully a marginalized group.

Jordan Burroughs

https://uww.org/article/budapest-ranking-series-2025-entries-freestyle https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/14331600-2025-budapest-ranking-series-tournament-entries-mens-freestyle 57kg: Lilledahl and RBY are our American guys (I need that match) in there way will be Bazarganov from Azerbijan, UULU from Kyrgyzstan, Tsukaev from serbia and pavlov from Russia. 61kg: American guys Forrest, Silva and Shawyver both representing puerto rico. We could see Jax vs Suda which would be absolutely awesome. Suda is Japans rep and probably the biggest threat to whomever we send this ranking series is after Jax's final x series with Vito so could be a world final preview. Tairybek uulu from Kyrgyzstan is probably the other big hitter here. 65kg: No americans repping USA here Seabass is going and will get some tough matches. Tevanyan and dudaev are probably the most notable but I am interested to see how Abdullah toprak is. I think he will be Stanichs toughest match at u20's. (Colin realbuto is also competing) 70kg: No PJ at 70 but we will have James green, Gomez, and Voinovich. Musukaev, Kemertelidze, Aoyogi, Heybatov, Kaprynov are the heavy hitters here. I think Austin has a good shot of knocking off 1 or 2 of these guys but if he can run this field he is a gold medal threat. Aoyogi is probably the favorite here but if any of Kaprynov,Gomez,Heybatov took it I do not think it is a shock at all. 74kg: This weight is nuts David carr is going. Bayramov, Takahashi (beat mitchell at u23's), Valiev, Salkazonov (beat carr a few months ago pretty sound), Kaipanov and Khaniev. Valiev is obviously the favorite but I am super excited to see what Carr,Takahashi and Kaniev can do as the younger guys in the field. 79kg: Levi and Michael labriola are the two americans here but Labs is representing puerto rico which is cool they truly are US south at this point. I am not as familiar with the guys at this weight. Japans guy lost to Wick 8-0 so Levi should smoke him. Kougiomoustidis notably gave dake some really tough matches a few years ago, I think this is his first venture up to 79kg so that would be a great litmus test. Yergesh has been relatively pedestrian on the senior seen but he does have a win over Starocci at u23's a few years go. 86kg: This weight will be fun we have Zahid going. Kadi is the first name that pops out. Dhizoev and Zahid met this year and it was a 8-0 win for zahid. Bagaev will be a good test for Zahid as well. The name that really interest me is Ali Savadkhoui, that is the guy that beat JB at the world cup back in 21 or 22. 92kg: Trent going here and really should get a shot at the guys he is going to need to beat at worlds. Nurmagomedov, Karugliev, Abakarov are all here. 97kg: no kyle 125kg: no wyatt sorry for getting lazy at the end @Jon_Kozak how did I do did I miss any heavy hitters?

Why do people constantly create threads about topics, so they can be discussed, but not follow through on the "rumors" when people ask to know why this might be the case? You're curious enough to ask and/or participate, but not curious enough to put the information out on the wire that you heard from a dude who heard from another dude who heard from his friend at the deli. We all know lots of it tends to be played up or exaggerated, so if you make the thread and you have the info, at least be decent enough to provide the full context, instead of just leaving an "Ooooh, look, did you hear thing about person in place? Bc I heard person from other place said different thing about same person, and with a slightly different context..."

His ordeal is a good reminder to check the donor box on your driver's license and/or your health care directive. You never know when yourself or a loved one will need a transplant.

LOL...this is dumb. It's happening in female high school sports all over the country. Bioglogical boys competing against biological girls in sports and smashing records. I have two daughters in sports and watch it all the time....and I LOVE women's sports - if it is actually women's sports. Don't come on here and claim we hate womens' sports because we don't want biological men competing against our daughters and sharing locker rooms. That's just dumb. Who is actually doing the bullying when a biological male is competing against a athletically marginalized group in biological women?

100% agree... this is such a non issue that's being blown up to create manufactured outrage... The amount of news coverage this gets by certain outlets in proportion to the amount of athletes this applies to is asinine. If those news outlets talked about school shootings or even rare diseases affecting people in proportion to this topic it would flood the airways 24/7. Transgender fuss is only happening with a certain subset of people intent on getting 'news' from a few specific outlets...

Cornell: https://bigredbears.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=14 Indiana: https://indianamat.com/index.php?/forums/forum/20-college-and-international-wrestling/ Iowa: https://www.on3.com/boards/forums/iowa-wrestling.169/ Iowa State: https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/forums/wrestling.27/ Lehigh: https://www.lehighsportsforum.com/viewforum.php?f=7 Minnesota: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/the_guillotine_forum/college-f11/?sid=7e57e310f27a8c59716cb2ab4a533ab5 North Dakota State: http://www.bisonville.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?16-Wrestling Ohio State: https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/board/ohio-state-buckeyes-wrestling-message-board-forum-101483/ Oregon State: https://bennyshouse.com/board/9/mat-club Penn State: https://www.on3.com/boards/forums/the-wrestling-room.50/ South Dakota State: http://sdsufans.com/board/forum/south-dakota-state-university/jackrabbit-wrestling Tennessee: https://www.coacht.com/boards/index.php?/forum/32-wrestling-mat/ Virginia Tech: https://virginiatech.sportswar.com/message_board/vtwrestling West Virginia: https://www.wvmat.com/phpforum/viewforum.php?f=7&sid=b3a1d2e1fd3f8c66bd78a215f19009b1 Wisconsin: https://forum.wiwrestling.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=q5t25impnooft3b38i6fkn41v3&board=33.0 Oklahoma State, Rutgers are now paid so I will not provide their links

per intermat Hard to replace Nickerson, but I like this hire.

i think the guys at WresteStat put a factor in their algo to piss off BigRedFan of intermat message boards

These are the kinds of posts I want from the notable guys that cover our sport.

It really does suck how people have tried to make this about Beau's wife when he's literally out there putting his name on things. It's not like she's talking and he's staying silent, they're BOTH talking, she's supporting him.

Basch and Willie just announced that Ben just had a double lung replacement. Great news.

I spent one week at the Olympic Training Center over 25 years ago. It was made very very clear to me in that one week that athletes are not to put ANYTHING in their body without making sure that it didn't have a banned substance. I also spent a weekend with the staff of PSU many years ago. PSU athletic department said the same thing. He has heard this more times than Nelson Brands heard "don't gamble on college sports." It isn't a secret in his world whatsoever. If this was an honest mistake caused by an OTC medicine, he is one of the dumbest people out there. It would also be his second bout of stupidity regarding USADA regulations. He deserves whatever is coming to him.

The Shedeur Sanders slide into Minnesota?

You're not going to believe this, but many people don't view every story that happens thru the prism of sports Fandom, and I'm not a person who hates PSU like that, anyway. You're the one here just dismissing multiple people making similar claims as if a college wrestler is likely to attract some sort of conspiracy against them. What you've decided to do is just ignore the allegations of multiple women and his teammate with no evidence other than your gut while assuming the best from a guy who hasn't even responded. One of is is definitely biased, but it ain't me.

Holy cow. I get fanboys trying to spin everything in their teams favor, but Beau , a multi time AA, put his name out there and said I reported these things to coach and nothing happened. Not an anonymous source or a room guy with an axe to grind. It doesn't mean there was a crime provable beyond all reasonable doubt; however, a serious contributor to PSU success has put his name and quotes behind it. That, in and of itself, tells me this is not a "nothing burger"

Putting aside the theft and SA claims, the claim that he was taking nude photos of teammates in the shower and posting in the group chat. That's more than a he-said/she-said situation. It's provable with the group chat. If that was reported to the coaching staff and they didn't report up the chain of command, that's a fireable offense.

These stories break when someone is willing to come forward and put their name to accusations. Often, one person is enough to create the cracks in a dam of a story. Beau Bartlett putting his name to these accusations is not a "nothingburger".

Vak gave some good info to my comment but also the idea of a PSU announcer going ‘CARTERRR STAROCCIIIII’ and the police being like ‘where could he possibly be’ is so humorous

How could the police not contact him from December to June if I’m reading it right? The PSU match schedule is public. But seriously this some really damning and bad stuff

The mods at the BWI board have already locked the thread on this article, less than 4 hours after posting.

I was going through Euros and noticed Mongush and spencer had a common opponent and was diving a bit deeper into mongush and it made me think Worlds may not be the walk in the park I thought it was for Spencer but I wanted to set this up more like a dual format than just those two. 57kg: Lee (2x u20 world champ olympic silver) vs Mongush (u23 world champ 2025 senior euros champ) common opponent Bazargonov spencer won 6-3 Mongush won 5-0. Mongush also notably lost in the finals to to suda 8-8 at 61kg who is probably our 61kg's biggest opp at worlds. I will go spencer here but I think Mongush is his toughest opponent and he is on a pretty wild growth trajectory. 1-0 61kg: Jax/Vito (senior gold and bronze)/(cadet silver) vs Uguev(2x world 1x olympic gold at 57kg) Uguev still won euros this year in a controversial one to Haryutunyan. Suda that I mentioned above is probably our toughest opponent I think either guy we send beats Uguev. 2-0 65kg: Real (ranking series bronze) vs Mamedov (junior world champ senior bronze) I love Reals trajectory and how freely he has been wrestling but Mamedov is a very unique challenge that I do not think Real can overcome right now. 2-1 70kg: PJ (Junior bronze) vs Baev (world gold, junior gold, u23 silver) PJ's gives him a shot against anyone I think but Yianni got to his legs and finished pretty surgically once he got through the head hands and Baev is wrestling as good as anyone at any weight right now. I think Baev takes this one 2-2. 74kg: Carr (cadet bronze, Junior gold) vs sounds like sidakov will be going (3x world gold 1x olympic gold) Sidakov did lose to valiev at Euros prior to the injury which should give some hope that he is becoming more human. That being said Carr did not have many answers to Salkazonov who has always been a tier below sidakov so I am not ready to predict that level of upset until I see it. 3-2 Russia. 79kg: Haines (pan am champ) vs Usmanov (junior silver world gold) Usmanov is a monster I think Levis inexperience internationally may prove troublesome for him but a the same time he is going to present a pace that the European guys will not like. Usmanov is a monster though I would pick him against whomever America sent aside from maybe Kyle. 4-2 Russia. 86kg: Zahid (world bronze, junior silver) vs Naifanov/Kadiev (junior gold,u23 silver, 2x world bronze)/(2x junior gold) (the russians on X think Kadiev is the second coming however to my knowledge Naifonov beat him last time they wrestled and he was the rep at euros so I am expecting him to be there. Whoever they send I think Zahid is the best wrestler at this weight. The only question is if his cardio allows him to be the best for 6 minutes. 4-3 Russia 92kg: I am not sure who Russia sends here Karugliev is their best guy but he wrestles for greece Trent should clear whoever goes at this weight perhaps Kadiev bumps. 4-4 97kg: snyder vs Sadulaev we have seen this one before one guy appears to still be close to peak of his powers and the other has lost to a 20 year old from japan this year so I do not expect the upset we always hope for 5-4 Russia 125kg: Wyatt kills whoever they send 5-5

These extra years and transfer leniency are getting out of control

you're the best on this, FC

The gun

@Interviewed_at_Weehawken I blame you for bringing Jimmy over to the International forum that is usually a safe haven for the more intelligent crowd. You started a Jimmy style thread and desecrated a hallowed institution

Iowa State will find a way to lose this handily. On paper, they should have a very good chance to win. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

He's a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude

RBY deserves a spot for his contribution to the sport. He taught us all that a person can win with one arm tied behind their back.

You asked a general question and got a general question...and now use a very specific examples of a very rare syndrome. Of course there are going to be very, very limited syndromes and other things that come up in the discussion. Do you think that redefines the entire system of what a female or male is? So let's get right to the heart of it, what is your definition of male and female and do you support biological males with a penis with xy chromosomes competing against girls born with a vagina and xx chromosomes?

Anddddd this is why people don't say anything. Because people victim blame. It sounds like the said individual is a creep, did some things that violate teammates and women. Good for them for speaking up, regardless of timing.