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For me.....46th NCAA Championship dating back to 1972 (Maryland).....this will be 40 in a row, dating back to 1985 (Oklahoma City)....before I retired, it was a vacation, today.....it's still a vacation....lol. Some day I plan on being the last man standing....oh, and by the way, I can prove I've been to each of those NCAA's!!!

Maybe Vinesh just phogat to check her weight.

I was just thinking how great it was not watching someone ride a leg on top for 4 minutes without turning his opponent.

I see a lot of holier than thou takes on Williams , a lot of grown ass adults judging this kid but the reality is the kids father is in prison , his mother isn’t in his life and he doesn’t have much guidance , Coleman Scott and his wife were his support system last year and checked on him daily to try and keep him in line then after one year at school his support system is gone , I would bet 95 percent of you have no idea what’s it’s like to be 18 and have no parents to help you and no support system ( nevermind while wrestling D1 at one of the most prestigious programs in the sport) ,save your judgements and just hope this young man finds a place where he can get it right because the talent is there and he’s a great kid overall

I sure hope you didn't read any of it. That makes you an accessory after the fact.

With another cycle of Olympic Wrestling in the books followed by the inevitable traditional quad annual should we switch to freestyle brigade choir. I just wanted to remind everyone Folkstyle wrestlers are superior to Freestyle wrestlers

Now that the Olympics are over I would just like to say folkstyle is way more interesting and way easier for casual fans to understand than freestyle.

Hey everyone, This is my first post here. I'm an Iranian-Austrian living in Germany, and I've been following wrestling for a few years now. Just wanted to share some thoughts: Even though Russia wasn't officially competing, they were definitely still in the mix through athletes from Albania, Uzbekistan, Bulgaria, Azerbaijan, and Bahrain. There were basically seven medalists in freestyle wrestling who were from Russia (mostly Dagestan), which honestly made it feel like there were more Russian wrestlers than when they were officially competing. Japan is really stepping up in the lighter weight classes. Their culture of discipline, perfectionism, and staying cool under pressure really shines through in their wrestling. They ended up with 8 gold medals across 18 weight classes in freestyle, Greco-Roman, and women’s wrestling. I was surprised to see the U.S. wrestlers not as dominant as they've been recently, especially considering how they've been crushing it at the World Championships in the past few years. I'm curious to hear what you all think is behind this. I know it’s a tough question, but still. It was tough watching Yazdani, Zare, and Amouzad get silver instead of gold, but overall, I think the Iranian wrestlers did well, grabbing 8 medals across 12 weight classes in freestyle and Greco-Roman. What hurts the most is Yazdani’s injury flaring up at the worst time. I think we were all pumped to see Yazdani vs. Brooks. Looking forward to hearing what you all think.

From a human standpoint, really feel for Dake. I know after the trials he said this one was going to be for his dad. Sending him positive vibes and well wishes because I’m sure this is devastating on multiple levels.

God works in mysterious ways.

While you're at it, can we get rid of the stupid bob dole face as the default reaction? It was funny for about 5 seconds but time to move back to the standard thumbs-up.

Oslo — here’s Zare’s And Geno’s

I would say that many, me included, thought Dake was just as good as Burroughs, and I think we know that's not true. He's still awesome, but this does reaffirm the specialness of prime Burroughs.

I swear the Olympics bring out the worst and most arrogant of our fan base, the fact that it seems so many people thought we were going to just run through everyone bc the Russia team isn’t here is crazy just for starters …but the hate I’ve seen towards Parris, Dake, Zain and especially Brooks is embarrassing. This is the Olympics ,the pinnacle of the sport , you have the best guys from around the world living out something they ve been dreaming aboutand sacrificing for more then half their lives but that doesn’t stop the fat guy who never placed in districts from sitting on the couch and talking shit. ive seen about a dozen posts (about 6 from mineo) about how disappointing this Olympic run has been….we still have a chance at medaling 5 out of 6 in men’s freestyle (most likely 4) and we had 4 new guys on the team with no Olympic experience and barely any senior level experience and we re still doing pretty well I feel brooks has gotten the most crap but in reality he just graduated college , went to the Olympics and lost in the final second by 1 to the Olympic champ and came back and medaled and you think he went 0-2 BBQ

I will not take any more Kyle Snyder slander. He, like Yazdani, would be in GOAT conversation if there were not a pantheon all-timer. You are all damn fools for even thinking this. He had a single bronze slide outside of Sadulaev before what was either Taz's tourney of his life or the changing of the guard when Snyder was an old *and still producing* 27. You folkstyle morons need to gtfo and it shows.

Everyone wants to be the next Stephen A. Smith. I would be ok with one less rather than one more.

Jesus techs lower seeded Buddha. The holy war is still on track to meet in the finals.

The talk about Boise State in the UVU thread got me thinking about the unseeded era* wrestlers who said to hell with the seeds, I got this. Who were the unseeded wrestlers to go undefeated at the NCAA Tournament? I am glad you asked. There were nine of these titans of optimism and over-achievement, starting with Oklahoma's David McGuire in 1967 and ending with Oklahoma State's Mark Branch in 1994. These wrestlers were all participating in 8 and 12 seed tournaments. The 16 seed era was very short, lasting only five years, and did not produce any unseeded champions. The "We Don't Need No Stinkin' Badges" (or Seeds) Banditos: But what of the teams? Which teams consistently produced from the unseeded portion of the bracket? We can answer the question at least two ways. Based on sheer volume, Oklahoma put a whopping 30 wrestlers on the podium without the benefit of a seed. Iowa State, Iowa and Oklahoma State round out our top four. But they are also four of the programs with the most wrestlers in the tournament (sorry PSU fans, but they just failed at putting US on the podium. I blame Cael Sanderson in spite of the obvious objection). The Seeds Don't Matter Schools: The other (better?) way to look at this is based on rate. How often did a school/coach get their guys over the psychological hump of being told you do not deserve a seed? The Han Solo "Never Tell Me The Odds" Schools: How fitting that a faith-based school sits atop the list. Maybe I should rename it The George Michael "You Gotta Have Faith" Schools? * I am defining the unseeded era as 1967 - 2018. In 1967 we had 8 seeded wrestlers for the first time and in 2018 we had unseeded wrestlers for the last time.

Making weight outside of Serbia or knee injury?

Guys, we just changed ad service. we didn't 'turn up' frequency of ad placement or anything. i can understand your hatred of too many ads, but i promise you it's not on purpose. i want everyone to enjoy coming to the site. it's an entirely new service, so there's bound to be some tweaks. give @BobDole a moment to fine tune it. and continue to let us know here, what you're seeing (apparently we're all seeing different things). thank you.

I am biased toward: 1. Bravery and courage, regardless of result. think of Rivera at Northwestern bumping up to 133 to face number 1 Stephan Micic. He lost the match, but won a fan. 2. Those who don't take a redshirt 3. Underdogs 4. Guys who were recruited over 5. Aggressive wrestling style with high attack rate 6. High stamina - never gasses

Rivera put it really eloquently in his bronze medal, post match interview. "I find peace in the sacrifice"

I think he is killing it! Very informative without over-talking. Good for him.

1. Snyder's wife got in to med school at PSU, which is why he left. Some things in life are bigger than wrestling, and sometimes you have to support the people you love in their careers and pursuits - much like I'm sure Snyder's wife has done for him throughout his career. Life is about compromise and competition is inherently selfish. Snyder is still in a great room, arguably the best room for heavyweights. 2. It's important to understand the distinction between underperformance and a disappointing performance. Could the US have medaled at 6 weights? Absolutely. Our wrestlers lost to the best in the world. I think the farther away you get from competing, the easier it is to forget how tough winning is. This is the Olympics - sure Russia wasn't there, but this is THE toughest tournament in the world for a reason. Our guys have had near unprecedented success the last few years and have made winning look easy. It's not. That's why we celebrate our Olympians; qualifiers, medalists, and champions. 3. I think Mason losing first round was the biggest shocker, but for those who have paid attention to the scene for a while, these things happen every year, and it's only recently that we've been spoiled with a relatively low amount of upsets. A few years ago and this would've been par for the course for us. The relevant thing is that crazy things happen every year, especially in the Olympics. 4. Zain's concussions are so disappointing for us as fans of American wrestling. He's on the short list for greatest college wrestlers ever. Dake too. Sometimes things don't go your way, and you don't get tougher than those two. Maybe Spencer Lee. All I can say is I hope that for the guys that continue, they are able to find the motivation, health, and timing to make their dreams a reality. I'm dismayed that our community has put so much blame on their shoulders. Bottom line - this sh!t is tough for a reason. Our guys were the best of our best. We are overly familiar with their success and under familiar with the world. Armchair quarterbacking is especially hilarious in our sport, where our B-team is getting teched in the finals of OLY trials and Final X. Let alone the guys that made varsity maybe once or twice in high school and never sniffed D1. Anyone with experience/perspective knows we put our best foot out there and just lost a couple close ones but had success nonetheless. USA Wrestling is still in a great place. LA 28. Postscript - How about those freaking BADA$$ women?? Also, can we scrap Greco and give those weights back to WFS and MFS?

Both have pros and cons, but to me folkstyle is way more interesting.

We don't know if Snyder is done yet. I think he'll go until he can't. At 28, it wouldn't be unusual for a guy his size to give it a go in 2028 We don't even know if Burroughs is done yet... It's a great generation of wrestlers. They've made it easy to be a fan. We've also had some promising performances from some age-group kids.

I think he did. he took his shoes off much faster, said a prayer, stood up and backed up a few steps giving Akgul center mat. At the end of the day its Lazarev's moment too; he shouldn't have to sacrifice his oppertunity to end his career on his own terms

Did you mean to say Terry Steiner?

All you see is gold. All you type is garbage. Hell, you can't even get the timing right.

Yes. Spencer multiple times including today. . Tom Brands in Olympic final. And Retherford was teched with it by Japan in his first world final.

Here’s the thing. You aren’t the arbiter of who is an American. That’s the US constitution and our laws. You making up your own arbitrary definition of who is an American is about as meaningful as if you created your own personal version of the Olympics. It’s also strange that you have created a cutoff at a third generation American counting. Native Americans might not consider you to be American. I also don’t think you understand how genetics works-your genes don’t change based on where your parents are born. If you can’t celebrate that one of the best wrestlers in the world is American (born here, trained here, representing our country), ask yourself why that is. I’d also consider changing your handle, since using JB’s moniker to espouse this nonsense just isn’t right.

For some reason I doubt Aaron Brooks was handed a cut sheet of the exact, scene-by-scene events of opening ceremony, with which to make a decision on whether or not to attend.

Wow, I guess that's a great question.....I don't think I can pick out just one, they all have there memories, but, 1972 (Cole Fieldhouse, Maryland) definitely stands out, partly because it was my first, on Saturday we skipped the consolation matches and visited the Washington Monument and Lincoln Memorial. It included, just like all the others, great wrestling....At 118 Greg Johnson won his 3rd NCAA title, at 126, Yoshiro Fujita (defended champion) broke his collar bone in the first round and was out , 134 was high scoring match that ended up with Gary Barton (Clarion) upsetting Phil Parker ISU, Iowa State winning the NCAA title with 3 champions in Carl Adams, Ben Peterson and Chris Taylor. That year, Clarion (Div. 2) had 2 NCAA Champions in Barton and Wade Schalles, and they followed up in 1973 with 3 Champions in Schalles, Don Rohn, and Bill Simpson...Div. 2 scores didn't count in the team score or Clarion would have been up there in the team score as Iowa State again won it with 2 champions in Rich Binek and Chris Taylor. Every year the guys I go with (former wrestlers of mine) and I try to make a trip to an area place of importance, Philly as seen above, Oklahoma City bombing, World Trade Center, The Museum in Tulsa for the burning of "Black Wall Street", etc. Will have to think about this....maybe to be continued!!!

You might be on to something there OP. Watch, Bassett will eliminate every school from his list lol

for the kids who are pictured on the right hand side of this forum, who have just signed up to be miserable and malnourished for the next 4-5 years of their lives? I was young and dumb and thought I would win NCAAs and got smacked down by reality, just as most of these guys will. Poor guys. Don't tell em.

The ones that I really feel sorry for are the wrestlers for Johnson-Wales in Rhode Island, home to one of the best culinary schools in the country. Probably the only program that worries about their HWT making weight.

I don't care about him and his recruiting and that is why I am constantly checking in to see what he is doing

Rivera’s bronze match has to be up there.

I just want to say. I don't post much, but I read everyday. I appreciate the knowledge I get from this site. I'm a huge wrestling fan. I wrestled in hs. My son wrestled in his. I coached kid wrestling. I helped coach middle school and hs. I'm and old guy. 67 years old. But again I really appreciate this site. We are a small community. I congratulate anybody who competes in this sport. They are all winners in my book. Did we have a disappointing Olympics? I don't think so. They all wrestled there best. That all you can ask for. Somebody has to win. Somebody has to lose. Thats wrestling! They are all winners at this level!

And you are a poor excuse of a human being.

Burroughs was praising Snyder for not going all out in period 1, then after Kyle got two TDs near the end he was question Kyle first period tactics. Now Kennedy gets up 8-2 and he says she should let the fur fly. Blades attempts a TD and Burroughs claims "Well done" but Kurgistan counters and turns her within 5 seconds to make 8-6. Not his best color commentary.

Why is this getting so...contentious? The kid lost again when he was at the precipice of an achievement that would have put him in a particularly unique class. It has to be gut-wrenching. Finals in HS, NCAAs going for his 4th and the Olympics. Just...cut the young man a little slack. He didn't flip anyone off or take a shit on the flag, he was just disappointed with the result. I get it. The US has had a brutal Olympics(but also somehow...pretty successful I guess).

I don’t understand the disappointment in not getting a gold (yet). There was only one guy that was favored to win his weight and he got beat by a better guy today. It happens. We could still potentially get 5 medals out of 6 weights. That’s damn good. If you can look at it objectively: 57 - was never the favorite, randomly drawn in, and in his first big international competition at the senior level. Looks to be 50/50 with the former world champ and Olympic silver/gold. 65- TBD, but definitely not the favorite. In that 3/5 range where draw matters. Also going down in weight where he doesn’t ever look as good. 74 - favorite that was wrestled pretty perfectly and ends up with bronze (probably) 86 - never the favorite over Yazdani but a couple seconds from the finals. In that 2/5th range where draw matters. First big senior international competition. 97 - TBD, not the favorite, but capable of winning. 125 - not the favorite and in that 3/5 range where draw matters. Wrestled a bad match and that was it. When you’re in that range where you have to be on against good guys, you are going to have this type of thing happen here and there. If you’re on you have the chance to pull an upset and make the finals.

Not just any man, A Man

If Yazdani is winning late, does Carl distract the ref while the Jesus Trained stable of Marinelli, Carr, and Kerk come out from the stands and hit him with metal folding chair shots then Brooks covers for the three count when the ref comes back? Asking because sometimes god works in mysterious ways...

Leg foul. I think his front head and arm was as much to see if he could catch him off guard and throw him but more to try to force the trapped arm into contacting his leg when it crosses down like it does.

Swimming gives out too many medals. 50, 100, and 200 for free, breast, fly and back seems like overkill, especially when the winners at 100 are usually contenders at either 50 or 200. Then you have the relays which is not an individual effort. Lopez achievements are far more impressive in my opinion.

I'm sure WADA and USADA have performed a number of tests over many years to confirm that you are a jackass.