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Ironic that after years of being criticized for not having enough offense, Bartlett may have just taken down Carter Starocci and Cael Sanderson simultaneously.

always knew he'd be behind bars one way or another

Just wanted to give a shout out to this guy. One of the best redemption stories around. Those of us who've been around the forums for a while will know the guy's history. I remember him as a young phenom, wrestling in Cadets at Salulaev's weight, getting injured in the semis. Comes back, parlays that into undefeated high school career, goes to OSU. Gets regularly whupped by Dieringer, which necessitates a huge cut to 157.... things go haywire, off the team as he turns to drugs/alcohol, transfers, gets arrested after a bender... rock bottom. Then surrounds himself with good people, picks himself up, gets sober, comes back to take 4th and 3rd at NCAAs at Lock Haven. Becomes very, very open about his sobriety network as he gets his feet firmly planted, raises his kids, trains hard, starts a club, many of them in Vegas. Made Final X last year and does it again this year, finally overcoming the Dieringer hurdle. Very open in his interview: Chance Marsteller Gets Final X Rematch With Jordan Burroughs (flowrestling.org) Love JB but you won't catch me rooting against Marsteller either.

The interview will be hilarious Mr President what do you think of this event? "Huge Event. Lots of spandex. Never seen more tight spandex. A little gay but these gays are tough. What do they call it? Cauliflower ear? It tastes terrible but you have to eat you vegetables. What do I know. This is a lot of big strong guys. I got here and said Wow that's a lot of big strong guys. A lot of people are telling me this guy Kale Sanderson is the best. I don't know. Is that a vegetable. What do I know. Hulk Hogan. I know the man. Great guy. Really great guy."

ALL PRAISE BOB DOLE

Coach Robie exenmplifying the VT motto “This is Home”.

For me.....46th NCAA Championship dating back to 1972 (Maryland).....this will be 40 in a row, dating back to 1985 (Oklahoma City)....before I retired, it was a vacation, today.....it's still a vacation....lol. Some day I plan on being the last man standing....oh, and by the way, I can prove I've been to each of those NCAA's!!!

Shane isn’t there because he’s a hype guy - he’s there because he works his butt off and earned the right to be the lead guy. He’s always “on” and his hype isn’t a schtick. Hype guys don’t do research and appreciate action like Shane does. He’s excitable and has a nearly unmatched passion for the sport.

He's there to tell Spencer Lee that he actually won.

It’s hard to put into words what Coach meant to so many of us. He was a great man who impacted more lives than he probably ever realized. Not just the best wrestlers, not just the standouts, but every single one of us who stepped on the mat for him. If you wrestled for Coach, you were changed. Whether you saw it then or not. Truth is, most of us didn’t realize it at the time. It wasn’t until we got older, faced real life, real struggles, that it all started to make sense. In one of my darkest hours, Coach said something to me that I wasn’t expecting. Simple words, but they stuck. They helped me more than he will ever know. That’s just who he was. He didn’t just teach wrestling. He helped make us men. Rest easy, Coach. And thank you.

My brother was a survivor of Dr. Strauss and an ongoing victim of Ohio State (stealing a line from the doc). I was a mediocre wrestler at Oregon State. My brother is 6 years younger than me and was highly recruited. I had not heard good things about Coach Hellickson from people I trusted and tried to talk him out of going to Ohio State. He had friends there, and he really loved Coach Jordan. He is not interviewed in the documentary, but his name does appear prominently during the portion of the doc where they are highlighting the names of the guys being interviewed on the original lawsuit filing, below Coleman's name. He was warned by some of his teammates and fellow plaintiffs not to watch it. But he was at kid nationals in Iowa and his roommate fell asleep watching HBO. My brother woke up to the documentary about 10 minutes in. Called me in the middle of the night completely falling apart. After all, he was going to be in the UNI-Dome the next day with scores of people he knew. He got through that OK, although there was one guy who kept harassing him about it, "It wasn't really that bad. Why didn't you just kick his ass, etc." One of my brother's people got rid of that guy. The suffering continues for these men. The current administration at Ohio State is trying to wash their hands of it: "it happened before we were here...statute of limitations...etc." But they continued to take actions to cover it up, because they knew it went deeper than the 177 original plaintiffs. Now for my mea culpa: My brother went from a star student committed to a championship lifestyle to struggling with school and substance abuse. For years, I resented him for "wasting" the talent and all his hard work. He continued to wrestle, NAIA AA, OTC Athlete, etc. but was a shadow of himself. I blamed him for it, and of course, we all make our choices. Like I tell my athletes, "There are reasons for things not excuses." I mostly cut him out of my life for a handful of years. Fortunately, a sports psychologist at the OTC recognized there was something else going on with him and he got help, even though it wasn't until years later that he unearthed the horrors he endured. He came to watch my son compete in Pocatello in 2012 and it was the first time he had anything to do with wrestling in years. He is now a great coach and mentor to kids. We are closer than we have ever been but I will never forgive myself for my lack of empathy and anger toward him. There are hundreds and hundreds of stories like his. Strauss destroyed what these men could have been. Ohio State could have stopped it. It is on record that the athletic administration, and Coach Hellickson, knew about it before my brother enrolled in Columbus. They could have stopped it. They could have warned him. But they didn't. I have a special distaste for Congressman Jordan. But, as my mental health professional wife once pointed out, it is quite possible that Jim was a victim as well. Yes, he went to U of Wisc. but he was an Ohio phenom and I am sure he spent plenty of time in Columbus.

Would a true "alpha male" have a poll as to what he should do next? Or would he just do it?

No, because it's not as simple as you think it is. Having reffed, your mind is conditioned to red/green, right/left and connected to the scorers table, the scoreboard, and the ankles of the wrestlers to insure you have the right wrestler scoring. It might seem cool to the fan, but changing out colors every match at a tournament would be an absolute nightmare. People would be yelling all day long that the score was wrong and coaches would need 17 bricks to get things right.

Please leave starting stupid topics to me please. Stay in your lane dude.

Seems like a stretch, what with Bo having his senior high school season next year...

Sure, I speak fluent Brands. Let me help. Brands: "Weren't ready. Weren't ready...you have to be ready, like beyond ready. If you just think your ready and you think its normal, its not normal." Translation: I wasn't ready. Brands: "And that's not me putting them on a pedestal, that's not me conceding anything." Translation: We never stood a chance. Brands: "I like our guy." Translation: The portal is closed.

But he has no shoes.

Maybe Vinesh just phogat to check her weight.

Dear J'den Cox, Thank you. Sincerely, The USofA

i just got off the phone with a member on the staff. he said Sammy is doing good and walking on his own and doing rehab. take it for what it's worth. perhaps there's more going on and they don't want to say much. or perhaps it's exactly as they told me. i've talked to his mother once right after it happened. and i've thought about contact sammy or his parents again. but i also want to respect their privacy and not be that guy at this time.

I just want to say that Griffith is making a mockery of modern college wrestling. First he is insubordinate. He refuses not to train when his school basically tells him not to and then he goes and wrestles in a national tournament after his school cancels his program. Then after he shamefully forced his school to keep his and many other programs which do not generate revenue but rather are just about student athletes, he disgracefully insists -- a national champion, no less! -- on wrestling at every opportunity. He takes on his top rival 4 times in a single year, who does he think he is? Kyle Dake? Tom Brands? Those guys are relics! And then this year he -- how gauche, a 2x NCAA finalist -- not only enters but actually wrestles in a holiday tournament. And then, to top it off, less than two weeks later he refuses to duck, and loses to, the guy who gave him all he wanted in the Scuffle final. I say this guy has violated so many norms of decent conduct that he should be canceled and never spoken of on these boards ever again.

I want to get my best wishes in early as I will be out and about. Everyone have a wonderful and safe time. I enjoy arguing with you all, I enjoy learning from you all, and I enjoy being entertained by you all. I want to thank @Husker_Du for scrambling to put this board together on short notice as an early Christmas present to us all. Thank you @BobDole for your work from beyond the grave to make it all happen. And thank you @jross for archiving the previous board. Enjoy your family and friends everyone.

If you haven't noticed most everything is transferred to this site. If you have suggestions or more likely PRAISE send them my way. In a couple days you should be able to access the site through intermatwrestle.com also and that will be the main domain for here. Merry Christmas and enjoy fellas.

So Endene was the player to be named later in the Nasir Bailey/Jordan Williams trade?

Seeding committee had one job, don’t put Davino/blaze and Jax/seidel on the same side

All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis. *-indicates event is believed to be eligible for a one-pound weight allowance Saturday, November 1: *Bellarmine at Pepsi Patriot Open, hosted by Cumberlands, 9:00 AM Sacred Heart at Duke, 11:00 AM Cal Poly, CSU Bakersfield at Menlo Open, hosted by Menlo, 12:00 PM (9:00 AM) North Dakota State at Wisconsin, 6:00 PM (5:00 PM) Pittsburgh at Navy, 7:00 PM Western Wyoming at Wyoming, 7:00 PM (5:00 PM) Purdue at Cal Poly, 10:00 PM (7:00 PM) Stanford at Utah Valley, 9:00 PM (7:00 PM) Sunday, November 2: Air Force, Bellarmine, Buffalo, Clarion, Cornell, Edinboro, Ohio State, SIU Edwardsville at Clarion Open, hosted by Clarion, 9:00 AM *American, Binghamton, Bucknell, Drexel, George Mason, Morgan State, Navy, Nebraska, Pittsburgh, Virginia at Navy Classic, hosted by Navy, 9:00 AM Army West Point, Brown, Drexel, Hofstra, Lehigh, Lock Haven, Oregon State, Princeton, Rider at Princeton Open, hosted by Princeton, 9:00 AM Appalachian State, Campbell, Davidson, Franklin & Marshall, Maryland, Minnesota, North Carolina, Ohio, Presbyterian, The Citadel, Virginia Tech, VMI, West Virginia at Southeast Open, hosted by Roanoke, 9:00 AM Bloomsburg vs. Gardner-Webb at Rutgers, 10:00 AM Centenary at Rutgers, 10:00 AM Campbellsville at Chattanooga, 11:00 AM Bloomsburg vs. Centenary at Rutgers, 11:30 AM Gardner-Webb at Rutgers, 11:30 AM Huntingdon at Chattanooga, 12:30 PM Drury at Missouri, 1:00 PM (12:00 PM) Bloomsburg at Rutgers, 1:00 PM Gardner-Webb vs. Centenary at Rutgers, 1:00 PM King at Chattanooga, 2:00 PM Carl Albert State at Little Rock, 2:30 PM (1:30 PM) Maryville at Missouri, 2:30 PM (1:30 PM) Central Oklahoma at Little Rock, 4:00 PM (3:00 PM) Central Missouri at Missouri, 4:00 PM (3:00 PM) *Purdue at CSU Bakersfield, 7:00 PM (4:00 PM)

Feels like Steve Neal should be the poster boy for this. Placed 4th as a senior in HS in 1994 (only time he placed), goes to CSU Bakersfield where he proceeds to go 4,2,1,1 at NCAAs (last 2 seasons undefeated), wins US Open, Pan Ams, and a World Championship in 1999, and second at 2000 Olympic Trials. Switches to football and becomes a 3x Super Bowl Champ with the Patriots. Who woulda thunk it? Nothing short of spectacular! ...There's also Anthony Cassar...

We as a community should fear indifference to bad, evil, or incompetence just as much - if not more - than the acts themselves. Bad is bad. Evil is evil. Incompetence is incompetence. Once a certain line is crossed, it’s unacceptable by any standard. Letting a wrestler stick their thumb up a training partner’s keester is simply bad. Grooming underage people - regardless of gender - is unequivocally evil. Failing to follow proper procedures to ensure a thorough investigation is the definition of incompetence. To act as if these things are not bad, evil, or incompetent is just as damaging as committing the act itself, because you are verbally excusing the acts. Words have value, and so does our courage to call out what’s truly wrong. Yes, there’s a legal process that must play out to determine guilt. But even before that, defending any of these actions - or trying to claim they aren’t evil, bad, or incompetent - is phucking abhorrent.

God is always asking for cash so that tracks.

Hope both men have successful surgeries. Prayers up. The Latona's have been a part of VT wrestling for nearly a decade. Everyone knows Sam, but his older brother Dom started wrestling at VT in 2016. The Brothers have always been hard working, humble and selfless. Sam sacrificed a couple years with a severe cut to help VT get the best lineup on the mat. Nice to see the family receive a wonderful gift from Coach Robie. VT Wrestling Tweet

I'm not surprised that Penn State isn't doing this. I'm a little surprised at what salty b I t c h e s some of the fans are being about the event daring to exist.

When looking for Greg's obituary I came across this tweet about him that I really enjoyed, so thought I would share.

Brooks trains in Holywater

Good ride, Cowboy. https://okstate.com/hidden/news/2024/4/11/cowboy-wrestling-oklahoma-state-legend-john-smith-announces-retirement

A few things to add here that haven't been covered: -His videos (of minors) are embedded on porn sites -Many of his most viewed videos have large portions that don't feature wrestling (wrestlers walking around during injury time/blood time) -He films and uploads videos without having permission/rights to the events Most recently he wasn't credentialed for Midlands and filmed anyway before he got kicked out by Storniolo. We've tried to strike his channel for copyright infringement because that's what we can actually prove. We're still working through it but things have gotten tricky where we've had to bring in legal.

In the spirit of Christmas, I just wanted to express my gratitude for having a community of people that like to talk about college wrestling and most of you happen to be awesome individuals. Cheers mother***duck**ers

What are you talking about? I thought the "look at my belly button" move was pretty cool. I plan to work it into some meetings at work.

C. Schultz is dressed for a sleepover.

Wow

"What kind of whore?" ~Kyle Snyder

Hasn't been discussed here, but this officially came down the pipe this morning. https://lehighsports.com/news/2025/5/27/lehigh-university-adds-womens-wrestling-as-26th-varsity-sport Sixth D1 to add the sport, joining Iowa, Presbyterian, Sacred Heart, Lindenwood and Delaware State. Among NCAA schools, that's now 116 teams. As of this moment, there's 37 Division II schools with the sport and 74 Division III. Definitely a plus since the academic profile of Lehigh is a draw.

He's a kid, he's allowed to be dumb, the fact that Flo is running with it is embarassing.

You clearly just saw me post this on X/Twitter and came here to ask the question, already knowing the answer.

Victor Wembanyama gets drafted by the Spurs (along with his brother). He rapes a girl in San Antonio, posts a picture of his butthole on SM, totals a car and almost kills a teammate while driving like an asshole, his brother shoots up the house and car of another teammate for dating his sister. Spurs release him. Then he gets overtures from another team (say the Lakers), he goes to LA, signs a two-day contract to play in an intrasquad game and plays poorly but scores the winning basket at which point he takes a swing at Lebron then flips him off and all of the Lakers fans in attendance. After that he gives an interview in which he says that he's a good guy and a "christian", starts selling magic rocks and SM and is now saying the NBA is for pussies and he's going to do something tough like going to play in Turkey.

Sex offender isn't a race

I started 4 years at Penn competed twice in the NCAA tournament. In 1975 I won my first round match and separated my shoulder defaulting out. It was the first injury and first time I ever missed a match because of one. I lost in the NY state finals to Jack Spates. I'm a big supporter of Penn wrestling and I'm on the EIWA Hall of Fame committee.

Well, I'm 58 with no speed, skills, discipline, or flexibility. My eligibility is exhausted, and while I think it would be cruel to force others to seem me in a singlet, I really want this. Oh wait, I just read past the topic title. Never mind. And if my wife asks, I was never here.