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Love (most of) y’all. Merry Christmas folks!

A fundamental misunderstanding of the bit. I've said it a million times. He's a PSU fan pretending to be an Iowa fan who's pretending to be a PSU fan.

... we would just like to say that we will be on our best behaviour. See, we even used the English spelling of behavior just now. Very classy. Does this mean that our **** doesn't stink. Well, yes. Kinda. We're so excited about this sponsorship deal that we've added a "Plus" to our corporate name: The ILLINI Wrestling Blog & Forum & Beyond Plus. If you want to see our ILLINI Midlands Preview, it's at this link. As always, it is free without advertising. All you will ever get from us is top notch journalism from respected and impartial journalists. That's our promise to you. The ILLINI had two champions at last year's Midlands, Zac Braunagel and Edmond Ruth. Can Zac wrestle unattached? Yowzers, I just thought of that. What about Danny? Wouldn't it be cool if the Brawlnagels just wrestled Greco holds at this year's Midlands? That would be so epic! Edmond Ruth is undefeated against the field, at least 7-0, including 3-0 against the other highest seeds at the weight. Heavyweight should be a blast with Cohlton Shultz and Yaraslau Slavikouski and Luke Luffman entered. You can expect ILLINOIS to show off some of their true Freshmen wunderkinds to see how they do against a field with 48 teams in it. The younglings did pretty darn well at Fargo last year, but how does that translate to the greatest folkstyle tournament in the world? Finally, what would an ILLINI Midlands Preview be without a cartoon about the Iowa Hawkeyes? .

I hope you are able to be reflective enough to see the irony to your post's structure, bc it follows the exact same logic path and argumentation that is used by the people you are poo-pooing. I am barely if at all religious, but I would offer the exact same position for "toxic atheism," which makes assumptions about why people view the world the way they do, and assumes that everything we know in science is the be all end all of our entire existence. Toxic atheism just places the very mutable malleable body of science as its God. Our current body of science, which zealous adherents regularly and (arrogantly) assume is unassailable AND complete, is fantastically incomplete. Zealotry in this case takes the form of assuming we have the complete "scientific picture" and know everything about everything...then it gets changed within the next 20 years... The immense irony is that such aggressively pro-science approaches are simply lauding science as the unassailable God, and scientists as their white coat-clad clergy. This all happens in with a body of work put together by self-motivated and self-serving people who have a documented track record of lying, altering facts, and deceiving the masses for personal gain. Not unlike the ill-behaving clergy and religious heads of yore and today. Coincidence? I think not. We don't, and in our lifetimes very likely will not have the answers to the universe. The specter of mortality hangs the same for everyone. How people choose to face that is up to them.

Happy Holidays everyone. Appreciate you all and happy there's a solid community here discussing the oldest & greatest sport. i'm very thankful. and sorry for being ornery sometimes. hope you have a great couple weeks with family and friends.

Seems reasonable.

We don't have election integrity issues. Last election was scrutinized like no other in history. It stood up better than I would have expected. We do have a lot of unsubstantiated allegations along with wild, crazy accusations that some rubes and sheep misinterpret as reality. The tweet even adds a pinch xenophobia to round out a nice sour grapes smell.

You're always going to get this when you have a sport where most of its fans call themselves "christians"

Glad we all agree.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS to everyone on the Intermat Forums not from Iowa! My favorite part is the completely stolen Monty Python bit:

Christ, we need some wrestling and quick...

Why? It's His universe. An infinite mind with every possible fact came to the ultimate conclusion. He deemed the need for justification so important He made no exception for Himself. He created us, and then deemed it right to make our redemption possible that it necessitated the sacrifice of Himself in order to make payment for that justification. Seems pretty noble.

Never thought I would see the day there are infinitely more genders than races on this planet. who said something about the thread getting locked?

Merry Christmas to all! And here's to a great New Year!

"Christ’s sacrificial death on the cross is a payment for the sin debt of mankind." Gotcha. This is certainly the message in Mark. I just don't have much respect for this kind of god. You do. Fair enough. In any event, safe travels.

I’ll try to give this a shot while being concise. God is holy, sinless and righteous. His demands for mankind to enter into heaven is for them to be holy, sinless and righteous. Because of the fall of man, sin entered the world. Man is unable to live to the standard that God requires. God gave the law (10 commandments) and had man attempt to follow the law from Exodus til Romans. The result? No one could follow the law and obtain righteousness on their own. The law was given as an act of God’s grace so that sinners could see that they were sinners. From the law is the knowledge of sin. Christ’s sacrificial death on the cross is a payment for the sin debt of mankind. By believing in Christ’s finished work on the cross, each individual is made the righteousness of Christ. His righteousness is put on the believer. A person has to accept the free gift of salvation and does so by simply believing. As Paul puts it to the Philippian jailor in Acts 16 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

Only qualification he needs is learning to say "I Surrender" in German...

They have Bo on the slow built path. I’d like to see him get a Top 15 guy by the end 2024. But it may even be early 2025 at this rate. With a likely Top 10 fight not occurring until the mid to late 2025. Top 5 with talks of a title shot sometime 2026. That is if he doesn’t get caught on the rise up.

I’m deeeefinitely not advocating “less science less investigation” approach. NFW. Just that we ought air on the side of kindness towards others, and awareness of the limitations of our own opinions/beliefs Also, liminal, great word.

Your own private Idaho?

Nothing more prestigious than a Salute Your Shorts trophy. I wonder if it will be chippy in the 125 bracket again because sometimes parents don't like to see what happens when Santa visits the children of naughty parents who run their mouths and get their kids caught in the crosshairs.

Arby's curly fries. Sometimes you gotta make room before you make weight, ya know

Merry Christmas and I wish you all great health so we can keep this fun banter up!

I am not sure how you got that out of the verse I shared. God did forgive all sins on the cross. He reconciled himself to mankind through the blood of Jesus Christ. However, reconciliation is a two party process and man must reconcile himself to God. This is done through believing that Jesus died for our sins on the cross, was buried and rose again for our justification. ”And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.“ ‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5‬:‭18‬-‭21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Well…attempted at least.

I'm not religious but, personally, I think that the Evangelicals and Muslims often make the best wrestlers because they listen to doctrine, coaching or biblical. And because they think it helps, it does. Whether God is actually helping is an open question we won't know the answer to until we die. But whatever that answer is is the reason many people are able to turn their lives around.

atheists tend to have pretty superficial intellects, its like a cheat code for looking smart for shallow people. Not all of them of course.

What are you signing up for? Haha! By the way, it's IWB&F&B+ if you want to be technical. My favorite part is César's kneepad:

The winner, obviously!

Sounds like a lovely breakfast. What else?

They aren't defecting. They keep American citizenship or move to obtain citizenship in their new country. it isn't like Cubans and Russians defecting. Not even close.

It took one 40-bid allocated conference and made it two that would have earned 24 and 23 bids before at-larges last year. Contraction of conferences has been a negative for the sport. Anytime you give an all-sports conference a chance to remove sponsorship, it's not good for the existing teams. The Ivy officially running a tournament is a good thing. Equitable access to championships is logical and makes sense. Have to look at things from outside of the wrestling world. We can't be the outliers or exceptions. The problem is realignment will never fully be done and the non-revenue/Olympic sports will always be along for the ride. The Ivy is the one D1 conference that is most immune to realignment. My guess is their Presidents feel aligning with schools to access the championships should be with the schools that have the same admissions and eligibility requirements. The EIWA has a great history. It can still exist, but we need to think about it not in the traditional concept. My suggestion this past summer was to keep the EIWA tournament running it with the membership, but do it in January and make it a destination event at the Palestra, Stabler or something like that. There's a lot more details to that idea, but the last 20+ years, the conference additions have. been more due to conferences dissolving (CAA, East Region) than addition that aligned with the EIWA's tradition. I love the EIWA, but the super affiliate-laden conferences aren't necessarily a good thing. Anyway, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays wrestling fans!

No ... she would never approve of any of my posts. Shirley you knew that.

Yeah ... mine doesn't remind me.

My wife reminds me all the time, "People don't know you're joking." My reply, "But it's me! I'm not mean, I'm funny." Yet, here we are...

"We'll give you the spot after the women's basketball game where one team is up by thirty and the other has all of their timeouts. Well catch up with you somewhere in the middle of the 133lb final. You're welcome." ~ESPN+

First Tbar and now Scribbles...What the hell is going on this week

have we been scribed?

Exactly. Since skin color is one of the first and easiest things we notice about people, that's why racism happens, IMO. Let's instead stick to the more evolved form... Screaming at the TV on Sunday afternoon based on the color of people's jerseys. And, you're also exactly correct about your warning. I call them sheep but lemming is better. “You can hate a man for many reasons. Color is not one of them.” — Pee Wee Reese

To flush all that tradition? This is awful. I grew up on Lehigh and EIWA wrestling on TV! I used to enjoy attending the EIWA's. An all-Ivy qualifier...nope - and I'm sure most would agree. Full stands in the arena? More likely a HS gym if they are lucky, and they won't be full. From a spectator perspective (important), I would say they took 10 giant steps backwards. Would love to know what group of folks thought this was a good thing??

The idea of ‘Us’ vs ‘Them’ has very deep roots in history and how our brain works. Being racist is an easy and lazy way to get the dopamine fix. ‘I feel better and am happier by considering myself and those I associate with as better than those people.’ Our society is making progress in fighting against racism and I hope that progress continues. Continues to take focus. This thread helps. I will caution about twitter comments though. We have plenty of proof of ‘Bad actors’ … often backed by antagonistic countries … that are trying to sow division and unrest. Don’t be a lemming.

https://x.com/midwestern_ope/status/1738223502489206785?s=20https://x.com/midwestern_ope/status/1738223502489206785?s=20

I kept Hopke #1. i'm not dropping the otherwise flawless resume b/c of a scoreless match decided on a stall call.

IMHO... Ivies may regret this move as time goes on. D3

I for one am sad to see the demise of the EIWA. I competed 3 times in the tournament and qualified for the NCAA twice. I am on the EIWA Hall of Fame committee. It is the oldest conference in the country. Ivy athletic directors are gravitating towards Ivy League tournaments in every sport and wrestling I believe, got caught up in this new philosophy.

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