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My ballot: 125- Iowa guy 133- Iowa guy 141- Iowa guy 149- Metcalf 157- Iowa guy 165- Iowa guy 174- Iowa guy 184- Iowa guy 197- Iowa guy 285- Iowa guy I fully acknowledge that many on this list might be good people, this is competition only.

Baylor Ferndandes of Northern Colorado intentionally tries to hurt people with non-wrestlling moves on a semi-regular basis. He sucks at wrestling also if that helps him qualify

Nolf and Retherford

Pat Downey.

Glad to see you got the title correct vs that Fri night thing.

The man is a symptom, not a cause, of the direction Flo decided to move in ~5 years ago, hewing to clickbaity gaslighty snark that is successful on social media. It works, and his style works on social media-focused consumers. That same move gutted Flo of the spirit and direction that made it a real torch-bearer for wrestling broadly. This has been laid out by all the guys who have left. Off the top of my head, in its heyday, flo had joe flo, fretwell, roper, mike mal, and our own esteemed host on this platform. All dudes who cared deeply about the sport, and achieved personally therein, coming to flo for a love of the sport. Everything they put out just beamed with enthusiasm. Early to mid 2010’s flo was incredible. Nowadays, what % of the guys on the current flowrestling squad actually wrestled? I don’t believe their current flagbearer did.

They will be illegal, come January 1st, under any sport with WADA as the anti-doping organization. Source: WADA. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I really don’t know. I tend to agree that these appearances at 174 are for dual wins.

Here's my team. 125: N. Simmons (starter); T. Gilman (backup); C. Fleeger (backup) 133: A. DeSanto (starter); T. Ramos (backup) 141: J. Wilson (starter); T[om]. Brands (backup) 149: B. Metcalf 157: B. Jenkins 165: J. Hendricks (starter); B. Fernandes (backup) 174: B. George (starter); C. Starocci (backup) 184: P. Downey 197: AJ Ferrari (starter); J. Trenge (backup) 285: S. Mocco (starter); J. Henselman (backup)

Keckeisen

285 Kyle Snyder

Desanto was a heel at Drexel and at Iowa. Impossible to leave him off this team. In fact he is the MOH of this team. Most outstanding heel!

Chris Fleeger was not very popular in the big 10.

Shocking TB.

Plott is scoring a lot of bonus points this year.

That really was madness. And the worst part of the NCAA's decision was EVERYONE but them knew it at that time.

Does Wisconsin need to juggle their lineup to beat Drexel and Rider? If so, that's a rather sad statement for the Badgers.

Moore and Pletcher agree...

125 McCrone loses 14-9. Not enough horsepower or facial hair... 133 Bouzakis wins 5-2. Wrestled well. 141 Mendez loses 4-2. Gave up an escape and a TD in about the last ten seconds... 149 D'Emilio comes back to win 13-11. 157 Paddy wins 17-3. One more point would have mattered. 165Wilcox loses 10-2. 174 And...Kharch is hurt. UGH!!! Gonna keep wrestling. On his way to a maj. Holds on to win 11-7. 184 Hoffman loses 11-2. I've seen about enough of his, 'Vision Quest' to be honest... 197 I've been waiting for Geog. Looks like I'm still waiting. Loses 7-1. 285 I believe Misita would have given the Buckeyes a better chance... Swenski loses 12-2. And the Buckeyes lose the dual. 21-13 PITT wrestled well.

Starocci can, and does, assume he will just win NCAAs. Has said this was his plan.

It could go great for him. Speaking from personal experience as a far worse but similarly built athlete from a long time ago, a decision to move up ten pounds and one weight class had me running over guys I couldn’t handle the year before bc “weight management” took it out of me. It allowed my frame to fill out, sleep better, be better rested and be much stronger Hamiti might be getting really big in the off-season, or even in-between matches. It’s hard to bring the heat when your body explodes back up in weight from just seeing calories or hydration.

Speaking of weak minded... you're really going with 'gonad sucking'? Couldn't come up with anything better? Pyles wasn't winning, hasn't won, and is mostly irrelevant. 80%+ here don't care who he is. Some guy at Flo... a company that does a half-ass job at representing the wrestling community. He's got a long way to go to get to winning.

TexRef

Joe Sealy was giving grown men a run for their money at Bill Ferrel.

The classic Iowa style that guys like TnT, McIlravy, Ironside, etc wrestled is more akin to the style that DeSanto wrestled than anyone on Iowa's current roster. Penn State has a couple of wrestlers that are reminiscent of the classic Iowa style in SVN and Haines. Keckeisen also comes to mind.

Right now they are one NC State and one Missouri injury away from challenging for second. They are still that plus three or four more Penn State injuries away from challenging for first.

Watched Iowa at Penn. One Iowa wrestler showed well at 165. Transfer from NoDak State. Good attacks and finishing and then kept it up. Most others were score and stall, or close things by preventing scoring while on the edge of stalling. Woods looked tough but should have been called for stalling with his 'whap the head and keep away' stall tactics. Iowa won. Did not put out all its best so that factors in. But the "Iowa Style" is an embarassing example from a once dominant program. The idea that they can be good with NitLion and Cowboy transfers is hopeless. Yes, they are good.., but nowhere near Good Enough.

Ohio State at the Cleveland State Open 125-Vinny Kilkeary (5-0/1st) 125-Vinny Kilkeary Columbus, OH (Ohio State) MD Lane Aikey Edinboro, PA (Edinboro), 13-2 125-Vinny Kilkeary Columbus, OH (Ohio State) MD Dedrick Navarro Evanston, IL (Northwestern), 13-3 125-Vinny Kilkeary Columbus, OH (Ohio State) MD Nico Calello Green Brook, NJ (Kent State), 15-3 125-Vinny Kilkeary Columbus, OH (Ohio State) DEC Ethan Berginc (Army), 2-2 125-Vinny Kilkeary Columbus, OH (Ohio State) DEC Charlie Farmer (Army), 4-1 133-Andre Gonzales (4-1/2nd) 133-Andre Gonzales San Diego, CA (Unattached) TF Canyon Wells (Cleveland State), 19-4 6:18 133-Andre Gonzales San Diego, CA (Unattached) F Dyson Dunham Lexington, VA (Virginia Military Institute), 1:37 133-Andre Gonzales San Diego, CA (Unattached) TF Vinnie D'alessandro Cleveland, OH (Spire Academy), 17-1 4:49 133-Andre Gonzales San Diego, CA (Unattached) DEC Braden Basile West Point, NY (Army), 7-3 133-Dylan Ragusin Elk Grove Village, IL (Michigan-unattached)) DEC Andre Gonzales San Diego, CA (Unattached), 8-5 149-Brock Herman (4-1/3rd) 149-Brock Herman Columbus, OH (Ohio State) F Michael Lewarchick Seville, OH (Kent State), 3:59 149-Brock Herman Columbus, OH (Ohio State) TF Keith Ransom (Cleveland State), 17-2 3:33 149-Brock Herman Columbus, OH (Ohio State) TF Egidio Difazio (Lake Erie-Unatt.), 17-2 149-Matthew Williams (Army) DEC Brock Herman Columbus, OH (Ohio State), 4-1 149-Brock Herman Columbus, OH (Ohio State) F Samuel Cartella (Northwestern), 1:48) 157- Patrick Downing (0-2) 157-Tyler Berish Lexington, VA (Virginia Military Institute) MD Pat Downing Columbus, OH (Ohio State), 8-0 157-Nick Abounader (Cleveland State) TF Pat Downing Columbus, OH (Ohio State), 17-2 4:28 174-Rocco Welsh (4-1/2nd) 174-Rocco Welsh Columbus, OH (Ohio State) TF Hunter Hutchenson Hilton, NY (Edinboro), 19-4 2:26 174-Rocco Welsh Columbus, OH (Ohio State) TF Zahir Mclean-felix Brookfield, CT (Spartan Combat RTC), 19-4 3:15 174-Rocco Welsh Columbus, OH (Ohio State) TF Codei Khawaja (Michigan), 21-6 174-Rocco Welsh Columbus, OH (Ohio State) TF Martin Larkin (MSU-Unatt.), 20-5 174-Simon Ruiz (Spartan Combat RTC) MFF Rocco Welsh Columbus, OH (Ohio State) 184-Seth Shumate (3-0/1st) 184-Seth Shumate OH (Unattached) MD Brody Evans Edinboro, PA (Edinboro), 16-4 184-Seth Shumate OH (Unattached) MD Jon Halverson Park Ridge, IL (Northwestern), 10-2 184-Seth Shumate OH (Unattached) TF Colin Fegley Lock Haven, PA (Lock Haven), 19-3 4:40 184-Seth Shumate OH (Unattached) NC Ryder Rogotzke Columbus, OH (Ohio State) 184-Ryder Rogotzke (4-0/2nd) 184-Ryder Rogotzke Columbus, OH (Ohio State) F Carson Crace Lowell, MI (Spartan Combat RTC), 2:06 184-Ryder Rogotzke Columbus, OH (Ohio State) F Ryan Boucher East Lansing, MI (Michigan State), 2:06 184-Ryder Rogotzke Columbus, OH (Ohio State) F Holden Martin (Kent St.), 0:41 184-Ryder Rogotzke Columbus, OH (Ohio State) DEC Rylan Rogers (Michigan), 3-0 184-Seth Shumate OH (Unattached) NC Ryder Rogotzke Columbus, OH (Ohio State) 197-Cole Robertson (0-2) 197-Trent Thomas Kent, OH (Kent State) MD Cole Robertson Columbus, OH (Ohio State), 14-3 197-Miles Ashbaugh Kent, OH (Kent State) DEC Cole Robertson Columbus, OH (Ohio State), 6-0

Not going to lie... never heard of it... thought you spelled Olejnik wrong.

Yes he has another year of eligibility and yes, he was interviewed earlier in year and stated he’d be taking his final year

Very true. And Iowa was likely getting a higher average tier of recruit. No Penn State to compete with. Coaching trees have grown, and wrestling has largely moved on and disproven the Iowa grind style in favor of “hey let’s actually respect our bodies and our minds and see what that does” approach. Twin mini-gables and Mr J Smith are so dyed-in-the-wool blood sweat and tears coaches they squeeze their athletes too hard, or just don’t know another way. There’s an interview with either John or one of the brands about a time when one of the brands walked up to John and asked when they can expect to finally stop getting fired up and not want to go fight the world while their wrestlers are competing. The answer from John was “it never stops.” Then…a more mature well-rounded adult devised a far more comprehensive coaching persona, style, and culture, and left those programs in the dust. Two of these rooms coach based in anger and discipline, one coaches based on gratitude, perspective, and creativity. The sport has moved on in a big way and its a great thing.

Hamiti also at 174 against Drexel.

Been with Rutgers a long time and is the head coach in waiting for them

Seriously, my brain has started conflating IOC, FIFA, and UWW.

Nice. Subtle. I have to give credit when it is due. I had to think a minute on that one. Now you can return to your regularly scheduled malarkey.

Hey, I represent that comment!

Karmmmaaaa. Nebraska has 4 coaches better than him

I don't read good enough to understand that, sorry. I did try, though.

He wasn't actually, "unknown." But I hear what you're saying... He is one of OHSAA's best ever. He had three other teammates who were also 4xers in Ohio...

So .... they would've wrestled if they could've, but they could've wrestled but they didn't? Out of curiosity, did the coach draw a breath in-between the two statements?

I feel like the iowa style was born of an era when not everyone was in shape. nowadays it seems like you break people with scoring not fatigue.

Last I heard they had good backups as well.

So what you meant to say was one Penn State injury plus 30% of Iowa being replaced, which is different than Iowa. OK, let's say we replace 30% of Iowa. Right now Iowa is looking at a 58 point deficit to Penn State if you assume Penn State scores zero at 149 (maybe, maybe not). What is realistic for Anthony Ferrari? Probably low AA at the highest. Call it 6th to 8th. Why? He was 23rd on the 2022 Big Board. Between 2013 and 2021 there were 45 guys between 21 and 25 on the Big Board, and in their 165 cumulative seasons they have 22 AA's. So call it a 13% to AA (and that is generous given that most of the 22 AAs happened after their first season). So, roughly 7 or 8 points max. The deficit is now 50. What is realistic for AJ? On the plus side, he has a title under his belt. On the minus side, he has not wrestled in years, he is not enrolled, and he is reported to be much heavier than 197. So call him 0 to 20 points. Who knows? Now the deficit is 30 with some very rosy assumptions. What is realistic for Kueter? Kueter comes in as a top 10 BB (#6), and these guys tend to have monster careers. Among these 90 athletes there are 9 who won it as freshmen. Of course, none of them skipped first semester in the room, but whatever. Let's say he has a 10% chance to win it all, he also has a 30% chance of never AAing (as has happened with 18 of the 60 who have finished their career). Is third a realistic ceiling? Not likely, but sure. That cuts the deficit to 17. With a Brooks or Starocci injury now we are even. All it took was to assume three wrestlers who are not currently part of the team (two not even enrolled in school), one of whom is actually practicing a different sport, to maximize their potential ALL AT THE SAME TIME (which is? an Iowa trait at NCAA's), and an injury to one of two specific wrestlers. Well, you have me convinced.

Oh so one injury AND a number of hopeful hypotheticals? What else would they need? Keep going.

Iowa is one Penn State injury away from making it a real race at NCAAs...

Maybe I'm just naive, but lost in this so far is the value of a college education. You know, the old trading 4 (or so) years of wrestling for a 4 (or so) year degree. I have no idea of the size of NIL money, donor dollars, etc but for many (most) actual students the future value of a college education is not negligible. It would be interesting to see how much the landscape would change with an increase in the number of scholarships and with athletic scholarships at the Ivies.

for cox thats a blowout. not that he's boring or anything but he anchored largely by being impossible to score on. for comparison, if bryce andonian beats you 4-0 its a different match than 4-0 cox.

Ricardo Alcala, Matt Powless, Adam Chalfant, Taylor Walsh were all bigger guys who AA’d late in the Goldman era. They always had good 197-285 guys. The problem Indiana has always sucked for the most part in the 141-184 range.

My hunch is the investigation started do to the negligence of two yutes