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Maybe their coaches did their jobs, to include hammering home the importance of NCAA rules on gambling? The absence of charges or suspensions doesn’t mean they weren’t investigated. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

For someone who preaches personal accountability, Tom Brands really doesn’t like personal accountability. The victim complex can be a powerful motivator and he’s latched into it, hard. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

3 dollar tickets for Mizzou vs ASU. Add a soda and a hot dog and that's less than 50 bucks total.

didn't see the l in the last word there and had a nice big laugh

I feel that sums it up.

I agree. We are paying these guys millions of dollars and we are getting zilch. At least let us get some entertainment.

Let's get it on!

Thanks all. It’s been a battle, thought it was won, but the road continues. Positive vibes through and through.

Sheriff Farley did...

Brands seems like a tiny man who believes in big conspiracies. Something is always hiding in the cornfield, so to speak, to blame or to provide a simplistic single-cause explanation to a complex, multi-causal situation. I would bet he listens to a lot of reactionary talk radio on his drives through the midwest. This is arguably a larger problem in the wrestling (and athletic) community: the tendency to project the one-on-one struggle on the mat onto a larger social field so that it frequently devolves into something like us vs. them, the good guys vs. the enemy, stark black and white views of complicated affairs, extreme individualism, blind loyalty, etc. Among other things, it's a form of moral and intellectual immaturity.

Per Baschamania, Facundo will Olympic redshirt. Have to assume Mesenbrink will be the guy for PSU. Should be fun to see how he stacks up against the top 6 guys.

Yes the Biden administration is doing the same thing now. They even want to take are rights away, control are speech and take away firearms. It seems eerily very familiar. Only one person arrested last night during the violent demonstrations ( by democrats)at the DNC headquarters. Police were assaulted and injured.

glad you acknowledged the "typo"

Look like you are correct. The html on the sun devils website is jacked up on my browser and the Missouri match was indented and didn't look like the next match. Glad you mentioned it or I'd have missed it.

poked the gopher

Did JRob care?

Ha! The inimitable Rick Sanders once said, “When I’m on bottom, I have my opponent right where I want him!”

ESPN+

Commentator just said Flos ranking are more reputable than Intermat.

9-0 Gophers as GreatWhiteNorth licks his chops in anticipation of selecting the most humiliating avatar

Pretty damn good for an unranked recruit true freshman Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I don't need to see much more. Take the shirt off. Wells is the real deal

I thought Ech looked big for 149... he will be the biggest 141 in the country.

hmmm...where to start. I just love how people always blame others for their station in life, or wrestling. If I get broken down, it's the guy on top who is stalling. If he spirals me, he's stalling. If he throws legs, he's stalling. If he hooks my ankle, he's stalling. If he catches my ankle, he's stalling. Watch the NCAA's and notice how many "good" wrestlers break down to an elbow and then their wrists get tied up, or get their arm chopped, or flatten out and have no clue how prevent or counter. Not the top guys fault. Here was the moment in my career that one sentence changed my entire outlook and career. Back in the day, college coaches could actually come to a recruits h.s. and practice with him. It was my senior year and Fred Powell from Slippery Rock came to Maple Hts. to roll around with me. Fred was an NCAA Champion. I actually got the better of him when we went takedowns. Then we went top and bottom. He got on top and put a figure 4 around my waist. It was legal back then and he literally beat the shit out of me (making it clear that he was pissed about the TD's). When we finished with "Escapes," I sauntered over to my dad (my coach) and asked, "How do I get out of that?" His response, "Don't get into it you jackass!" Epiphany! The reason you can't get out of a situation is because you haven't been trained to: 1) prevent it and: 2) to counter it or: 3) neutralize it. Same with legs, same with spiral, same with cradles, same with singles, doubles, fireman, headlocks, etc. There are "setups" and symptoms to everything that is going to happen. Setups to TD's, breakdowns, escapes, legs, and turns. With very few exceptions, if prevention fails, there are counters to everything that happens to you. Just because you can't turn someone doesn't mean you are stalling. I'm gaining RT, clock's running down, he's getting tired fighting all the torques, leverages, and imbalances. Part of my objective on top was to wear him down and frustrate him, and get in his head because he knows he can't get away unless I let him. I kept the ref happy (you read that correctly) by constantly changing off and working him much like a gymnast works a pommel horse...ankles to hips to shoulders to wrists back to hips to ankles and repeat as necessary. I would attempt the obligatory techniques that were known to be precursors to "turns" or pinning combo's but his reactions usually allowed me better positions for control. There's one thing I recognized early on in my career. Some guys spend so much time on bottom and although they can't get away, they are wise to many of the turn techniques and can counter rather well. Trust me, I scored my share of back points..we didn't have tech falls. Whether we won 2-1 or 20-1 it was still a 3pts for the team. Full disclosure, I pinned one guy in hs and one in college. I have never in my entire career (since 8th grade) ever been warned for stalling on top or bottom. Been warned and called for stalling in the final 30 seconds of a match but the calls were inconsequential to the outcome. His fault for being behind so that I could have that allowance. It's part of the strategy. Like all other strategies, stalling is a science. it was a big part of my game plan and smart wrestlers know how/when to use and disguise it. Anyway, I will still stand by the premise that if you cannot escape from bottom, regardless of what the top guy is doing, it's lack of coaching or your lack of learning. Being on bottom gives you the opportunity to score and limit top guys RT. I looked at every position as an advantage to me because I was very well coached. My goal was to get my hand raised and do within the parameters of the rules. pmilk

Before being absorbed into Flowresting, Rev Wrestling had college rankings that were "all division." They were mostly identical to just regular D1 rankings, but at most 5 or so wresters from lower divisions would be featured sometimes none at all. 285 was the weight with the most lower division wrestlers. There were several years 2004-2008 or so where a number of lower division wrestlers were featured (Les Sigman, Tervel Dlagnev, Ryan Allen, Blake Gillis). That is probably true in some cases, but perhaps not for Sigman and Dlagnev who both won Midlands wrestling at D2 schools. They both later made world teams wrestling against all the D1 heavies

It was Sanders in the Library with the Gavel.

I know...just messin with ya! I don't know much about Mullin and his policies, but he definitely would kick O'Brien's butt...O'Brien reminds me of the sniffling little wimp who thinks they can say whatever they want behind a computer screen

For what it's worth, Eddie is registered for the Keystone Classic that Sunday. Can't imagine he registers if he's that seriously hurt.

The implication was that Cael's boys follow all the rules. Knowing the rules doesn't mean you follow them all, agreed. I have no real problem with the suspensions or punishments. I have said so from the beginning. I just despise the "holier than thou" attitudes.

I think the de-facto two party setup we have works against us. It emphasizes the differences and minimizes the similarities.

I don't remember Cael ever complaining about the Justice Dept after Ed or Andrew got in trouble though. Thats the issue. Tom isnt accepting responsibility for his athletes, hes pushing blame elsewhere. maybe im wrong, but i dont think i am

The best I can figure is the University Division was actual universities and large public schools and the Ivies, where the College Division was the smaller private schools and smaller public "D3" sized schools. Since the NCAA tournament was "open" until 1968. The formation of the College Division came in 1963, there's a lot of scattering between who was going where. It's also indicative of the true wild west rulesets at the time - where you'd have a team pop up one year, then gone for a couple, then back again for a few. So that's a long way of saying I don't know for sure.

The meeting is required annually though. Did he miss them all 8 years he's been in college?

I think they are at Missouri on Sunday... https://thesundevils.com/sports/wrestling/schedule/2023-24

Tone is conversational with an attempt to be informative. If you want to read this with a vitriolic style, that’s not on me.

Originally posted at The ILLINI Wrestling Blog & Forum & Beyond. ANOTHER CHAPTER IN THE IOWA GAMBLING CRISIS According to the esteemed head coach of the Iowa Hawkeye wrestling team, there appears to be a great conspiracy on the part of the Department of Justice and sundry others to hold only Iowa State and University of Iowa athletes accountable for gambling violations. This unpleasant conspiracy of selective prosecution may have been illegal, the coach mused. There was also the allegation that there are so many other student-athletes at so many other institutions gambling so much of the time, that they must be struck on the head unconscious and dragged from their wagering speculations onto the football fields, volleyball courts, wrestling mats and other various fields of play or they'd be too busy betting on the Iowa women's basketball team to pursue their own sport. This, of course, was classic DARVO, which stands for deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender. The acclaimed coach of the Iowa team went on to blame everybody but himself for the calamitous affair, going so far as to provide the local media with enough blame to put a dozen men on the gallows. It was all a very spectacular way for the coach to bully his way out of answering direct questions such as: Why did this happen? Do you feel responsible, even in the tiniest bit, for the outcome? What changes, if any, will be made to ensure that this doesn't happen again in the future? The one iota of news that was uttered by the acclaimed Iowa coach was that two appeals are still ongoing, but we don't know who is still appealing and what relief they have requested. To celebrate this amazing show of exuberant buffoonery, we felt the need to create a buffoonishly exuberant video. This is that video: We have previously reported on the Iowa gambling crisis in depth here. That report also includes a fun JOMBO™ strip on the topic of wagering by Iowa athletes. .

Yeah I get it, you’re the third person to say this. But there was a statement made (not sure by who, but reported by a journalist and not just a message board poster) that UNI did not have anyone being investigated. And like the poster above just said, while I think people are exaggerating with the “but everyone’s doing it” rhetoric, it’s highly unlikely that not a single UNI (or Iowa D2 or D3 school) athlete gambled.

Now I can see why he gets along with the Ferrari family. I'm sure he'll welcome the eldest Ferrari to the team and tell him he's an outstanding citizen and was treated unfairly at OSU.

How dare the state of Iowa investigate potential crimes in the State of Iowa! Tom Brands is not a very smart man. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Anyone know his status? Is he recovered? Is he continuing on in his quest for 97kg glory? I feel a little bad for him being a tweener but not too much because of his attitude of he is the king and will show everyone. Still waiting for that. I think that is not characteristic of his overall character, but I don't know him so maybe not. For the record, I don't think he makes the Oly team. Taylor and Snyder are too much for him. He fits into 92kg really well. Anyway curious for any info that is out there. mspart

No, I excluded 2020. And for Amine I only included his first four placements.

Hypothesizing, wouldn't there have to be a link between an UNI athlete to the original suspect(s) to warrant an investigation? I don't believe you can investigate just on a hunch.

Well generally the police need some kind of info before they start investigating. Maybe they weren't betting, maybe they weren't betting on their own schools, maybe they didn't come on X to brag about their gambling, maybe all the investigators graduated from Penn St.

Espn and related:

BTN+: Plus Maryland vs Pitt on Monday night (gonna be a fun one)

Willie Miklus highest without winning?

We're like 1 week into the season and you're b!tching already? Jeez!

Crookham doesn't have the resume to be #1.