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Those accountable are the people/companies who rigged the election, the courts that refused to review the evidence, the law/government agencies for instigating groups, Trump for calling it out, and all the individuals who chose their J6 actions. To put this all on Trump is LOL. I thought you were LOL at Antifa since that is the word you highlighted, and there is much public discussion about how Antifa was not involved. My bad for missing your larger context of LOL.

ThreePointTakedown reminds me of the lady waiting in line to get on the plane watching the US Marshals bring up a guy in chains to the front of the line to get on first...and she says "I can't believe they are doing that to that poor man and embarrassing him like that."...to which, before I could say anything, a guy a few spots back goes..."Wonder how his victims feel?"

Which would you rather: a) go live with Tom for 7 minutes or b) listen to Tom do a 12 min interview. I feel this is my indifference point. I only latest 3 min on the listen but sure I wouldn't make it 1 minute live.

Missouri fans especially should take notice of the start time as Missouri has this listed on their wrestling schedule as beginning at 4 p.m. CT (which would be 2 p.m. PT) https://mutigers.com/sports/wrestling/schedule Wednesday's Probable Matchups 125: #12 Nico Provo (STAN) vs. #9 Noah Surtin (MIZZOU) 133: #21 Tyler Knox OR Dom LaJoie (STAN) vs. #31 Kade Moore (MIZZOU) 141: #28 Jason Miranda (STAN) vs. #21 Josh Edmond OR Zeke Seltzer (MIZZOU) 149: #11 Jaden Abas (STAN) vs. #29 Logan Gioffre (MIZZOU) 157: #6 Daniel Cardenas (STAN) vs. #10 Brock Mauller (MIZZOU) 165: #28 Hunter Garvin (STAN) vs. #1 Keegan O’Toole (MIZZOU) 174: #21 Lorenzo Norman OR Tye Monteiro (STAN) vs. #6 Peyton Mocco (MIZZOU) 184: Jack Darrah (STAN) vs. #11 Clayton Whiting (MIZZOU) 197: #17 Nick Stemmet (STAN) vs. #3 Rocky Elam (MIZZOU) 285: Peter Ming (STAN) vs. #6 Zach Elam (MIZZOU) This dual match can be watched online on the Stanford Live Stream here: https://pac-12.com/wrestling/event/2024/01/10/missouri-stanford It will NOT be televised on the PAC 12 Bay Area TV channel (they have a replay of a basketball game scheduled for that time slot) Live STATS are also available here: https://www.trackwrestling.com/tw/seasons/MainFrame.jsp?TIM=1704890865044&twSessionId=jvqytaovgp&loadBalanced=true&pageName=%2Ftw%2Fseasons%2FDualMatches.jsp

Missed how Ming got 1. I thought they started neutral so may have been a stalling point. He avoids the major to keep Mizzou under 40, Elam wins 8-1 and Mizzou wins 39-0. That was a bloodbath.

They have the competition quaking in their boots.

TPT - It sounds to me like you are emotional about that story. Not the other way around. In the current environment, what is the mantra - Make the rich pay their fair share. This story illustrates that very well, accept they all pay and were happy. And when tax cuts have happened, what was the mantra - The rich are getting too much tax break. Perhaps you can explain the CA and NY exodus in other terms. mspart

An old anecdote. How Taxes Work . . . Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this: The first four men — the poorest — would pay nothing; the fifth would pay $1, the sixth would pay $3, the seventh $7, the eighth $12, the ninth $18, and the tenth man — the richest — would pay $59. That's what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant daily and seemed quite happy with the arrangement — until the owner threw them a curve (in tax language, a tax cut). "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20." So now dinner for the ten only costs $80.00. The group still wanted to pay their bill like we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six — the paying customers? How could they divvy the $20 windfall so everyone would get his "fair share?" The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth and sixth man would be PAID to eat their meal. So the restaurant owner suggested that reducing each man's bill by roughly the same amount would be fair, and he worked out the amounts each should pay. And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $9, and the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of his earlier $59. Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man, who pointed to the tenth. "But he got $7!" "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man, "I only saved a dollar, too ... It's unfair that he got seven times more than me!". "That's true!" shouted the seventh man, "why should he get $7 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!" "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night he didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered, a little late, what was very important. They were FIFTY-TWO DOLLARS short of paying the bill! Imagine that! And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is how the tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore.

61K+ now... great showing by the wrestling community. If you take a look at everyone who has donated you will see O'Toole, Coleman, Gable Steveson, Elam, Mehki Lewis..... what a great showing. Probably the most interesting one to me are the Staroccis... a couple days after Carter techs him they are donating. Classy.

He just stated facts that you don’t like is all he did.

Mrs. Zillmer takes the cake with just one kid. 86lbs to 125 KG.

This has to be Baylors grandma or aunt. So eloquent! And a lot of emotion. I like the Hillary Clinton quip- it takes a village- No! It takes an involved parent to jerk a knot in the young mans tail, early and often, as needed. No justification here for what this young man has been doing. None. And the more it’s talked about the better for the sport ,and self policing when needed.

Thanks for the updates 1032004!

Surtin starts third on bottom, quick escape, 4-3. Provo in on a shot at the end but then Surtin puts him to his back to gets the TD and 4 NF and I'm pretty sure RT. Scoreboard shows 7-3 but pretty sure it was a 12-3 major, no team score on the stream.

I am praying. For Travis Wittlake Jr. He is su h a great wrestler and humble person. A class act.

Another way to look at @fishbane post would be that he does not want anyone on this forum to make the same unfortunate mistake that Travis made that almost cost him his life. A public service announcement if you will...

I also saw Mike Sheets wife gave a very generous donation - as did Chael Sonnen

Yep. And many others after him. Still holds true today.

He's been saying that for a thousand years...

I am taxed on my diligence (income, payroll), purchases (sales, excise), property, for receiving gifts, and in my death (estate) by a government with forced entitlement to my money as theirs. Reps sustain power by appeasing the majority at the expense of a constitutionally inspired social contract. A contract that envisions individuals voluntarily cooperating with a government whose role should primarily focus on protecting our individual rights. The taxmen lack the decency of a taxidermist who knows to leave the skin. They take more than is needed and spend like there is no tomorrow. I disagreed when earning my first paycheck at 14... A wider variety in social contracts at the state level would be nice. Then we wouldn't need to rehash the original Federalist versus Anti-Federalist views.

Matthew Finesilver lost a hard-fought third-place match, but he can hold his head high knowing that he wears the perfect RAF mustache. You can see him waltzing into the Officer's Club after shooting down a Junkers 88 over the English Channel, can't you?

From usawrestling twitter McKenna gets it done, 10-0! He scored quickly with a single leg finish going out-of-bounds. Followed right up with a double leg transition to leg lace (x3) to end it.

To my eyes, behaving so badly that the brands brothers aren’t able to integrate you into the fold at Iowa. It’s one thing to have barbs to throw at okie state, bc most of the world who interacts with that program does, but Iowa is another deal entirely. That school and that community bends over backwards for its athletes in a special way, and the brands wield their influence rather sizably, the only thing that has to happen is you have to put in the work and make the room better. Perfect example is austin desanto, kid was a total liability, but he showed he was willing to work on himself, and he absolutely made the room better, so the Iowa collective figured it out. The elder brothers seem incapable of winning many people over. Besides the boos, it was pretty clear from the way the Iowa wrestlers treated them that the two older brothers were pretty solidly persona non-grata in the room as well. Being an NCAA champ who is unwelcome in the two most historic programs in wrestling history is a major red flag. Also, johnny poz is a tremendous kid. He’s a bit small for 197, but he could AA. There’s no way goodale burns the programs current golden boy to import room cancer.

That's not at all how the tax system works. That is dishonest to insinuate that this fictional story applies to everyone or anyone. That it might make you feel better to think that people are stealing from you is not indicative of reality. That others get riled up about your story is not evidence of its truthfulness. The social contract is that we agree to pay for the things we need. Some pay more because they have benefited the most. We vote for people to make those decisions. If you want to change something, convince me without making appeals to emotion. You know that a very small number of rich people 'steal' WAY more of your tax dollars then all the poor combined? Why not tell a story about that?

What kind of wrestling shape will Kueter be in, bowl game was two weeks ago. Nash has been in the room since early December since Nebraska wasn't in a bowl? Looking forward to that match up if it happens

I wonder how Nolf-Sidakov would go. I wouldn't give Nolf much of a chance, but it could be an interesting match.

I would bet on Kerk to beat anyone as he is very big and very strong. Maybe AB would have a shot, but lean Kerk.

Goodale isn’t going to recruit over Poz at 197 or over the new heavyweight they just brought in

It's embedded so you should be able to see the tweet regardless.... It just says "BOOM" ... it could be a big time recruit they got......or it could be trouble.

I'm hearing the "BOOM" is a PA hs recruit

Wins it. That was so funny to watch. Also fun. So interesting.

Strange awkward man gives strange awkward interview. Heck of a coach, heck of a wrestler, but just a strange strange dude. Still prefer his style over Cael's.

https://arena.uww.org/weight-category/1eea6071-fd95-65b4-a800-878e5e1c24be

It is looking like Rivera will get a chance to prove that his victory over Tevanyan was no fluke in the semi-finals on bottom. If Tevanyan wins he will pull McKenna back in the Repechage. McKenna will have to win one match and then he would have Rivera for Bronze. I believe he is 1W-0L against Rivera with a 10/11-0 Tech.

Mrs. Diakomihalis: three kids ranging from 125 through 149 all the way up to 190.

McKenna is jacked and doesn't look dehydrated, but his Armenian opponent, Tevanyan, has the 4-0 lead at the break. Tevanyan looks even bigger, and he's the 5-2 winner. Speaking of Mrs. Finesilver and her wide shot pattern, this is how I'd rank the wrestling mothers on that score: 1. Mrs. Mattin. It's like she gave birth to 7 identical twins but all were born in different years. She had the tightest shot pattern. 2. Mrs. Amine. I think the major differences in her brood is based on weight training. Still, not as tight a shot pattern as Mrs. Mattin. 3. Mrs. Braunagel. She has a tighter shot pattern than it seems, as young Joey is wrestling 197 for the ILLINI, but he's pretty close to the size of Zac, and Danny is right there if he wasn't cutting weight all the time. They had an older brother who was smaller, and that's why she's here in the rankings. 4. Mrs. Finesilver. She was all over the place. The Finesilver children could be Russian nesting dolls.

At first I thought Brands was going to step up to the plate when he seemingly called out the first reporter for nibbling around the AJ issue: Reporter: "Will you be having any additions to the roster second semester?" Brands: "Just ask the specific question." Reporter 1: ".... Will you be having any additions to the roster second semester?" Pathetic journalism, and I was ready to give props to Brands for inviting direct discussion of the issue, only for the reporter to drop the ball a second time. But then another reporter DID man up and ask it: Reporter 2: "Can you comment on AJ's conduct at the end of the Soldier Salute and what is recruiting status is for the second semester? Brand: "You know the answer to that Mike. You've been doing this a long time..." Oh come on Tom. Just answer the freaking question. AJ just did a podcast making it sound like everything's hunky-dory with Iowa and saying he'd just been admitted, and Pyles has gone on record saying it is "very likely" AJ's recruiting status is unchanged at Iowa, but over at HR reporter they're saying they nixed AJ. So no, we don't know. Saying no one's joining second semester "at this time" is an empty truism. Of course he can't go into detail, but a simple "No we are not recruiting him now" or even a "The situation is fluid, we will have to wait and see how it plays out" would be better than just berating journalists for doing their job. No one's listening to the interviews to hear you spew out empty "one day at a time" cliches and scowl at the journalists. Either answer the questions or don't do interviews at all. And the journalists are even worse. If you're not going to ask real questions, or push back even a little bit when there's resistance to telling the truth, get a new job.

For repeatedly and flagrantly hurting people? At about the age they start competing (6 years), they already know it is morally wrong, and an adult should be telling them it is wrong. I'd take my kid out of the sport and dismiss other kids from the team if I were their coach. This boy may be an adult at 18, but he may never be a man.

Unclear from the go fund me if he was using one or not, but always use a jack stand before getting under a vehicle. Don't trust your life to a jack. If possible put some kind of backup in place too in case it falls off the jack stand. For example, if you are taking the wheel off to do the job, place the tire/wheel such that if the car falls off the jack stand it will hit that before it totally crushes you.

Keep Travis Wittlake in your thoughts and prayers. He sustained substantial injuries while working on his pickup. His wrestling career is likely over but he escaped a very serious situation with his life. https://www.gofundme.com/f/travis-wittlake-jr-emergency-medical-fund?fbclid=IwAR0-PhbW51D7z_Af6m7_rj8DbKeLgVoQLY20EtrsJB3nYdGM8Ex6Y0REB28

There's nothing that I saw on the front page of themat.com about this pretty important tournament that starts tomorrow. If you click on the "News" link and scroll down some, though, there's a kind of preview. Luckily, I've done a preview for The ILLINI Wrestling Blog & Forum & Beyond Plus here. It is IRTC-centric. As an added bonus, there's a preview of the ILLINI versus Ohio State on Friday. The IRTC is sending Zane Richards at 57 kg and Mongolian World Medalist Erdenebatyn Bekhbayar at 61 kg. There will also be Greco later in the week, as well as the Women Freestylers. IRTC Greco favorites Joe Rau and Kamal Bey are registered. The toughies in the field at Zane's weight include: China's Wanhao Zou, Thomas Gilman, Horst Lehr, Aman from India as well as wrestlers from Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey. For American Freestyle fans, you can also expect Darian Cruz representing Puerto Rico and Brandon Courtney. Other Americans at heavier weights include: Joseph McKenna, Yianni Diakomihalis, Nahshon Garrett, Quincy Monday, Jason Nolf (not my favorite wrestler), Evan Wick, Joseph Lavallee, Zahid Valencia, Chance Marsteller, Max Dean, Isaac Trumble (off his Midlands tournament), Kyle Snyder, Michael Macchiavello, Christian Lance, Mason Parris and Nick Gwiazdowski. Note that I didn't look for other Americans wrestling for foreign countries besides Darian Cruz. I'm sure there are more of them. Here's the official entry list from the UWW. On page two of this pdf link is the schedule. Be ready to cheer them on starting at 3:00 am (Central) tomorrow morning. USA! USA! USA!

All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis. *-indicates event is believed to be eligible for a one-pound weight allowance Monday, January 8: Appalachian State at Duke, 5:00 PM Wednesday, January 10: Missouri at Stanford, 9:00 PM (6:00 PM) Thursday, January 11: Cleveland State vs. Gardner-Webb at Davidson, 11:00 AM Little Rock at Davidson, 11:00 AM Harvard at Davidson, 1:00 PM Gardner-Webb vs. Lock Haven at Davidson, 1:00 PM Cleveland State vs. Little Rock at Davidson, 3:00 PM Harvard vs. Lock Haven at Davidson, 3:00 PM Princeton at Rider, 7:00 PM Friday, January 12: *Brown vs. The Citadel at Davidson, 10:00 AM *Little Rock vs. Lock Haven at Davidson, 10:00 AM *Lock Haven at Davidson, 12:00 PM *Little Rock vs. Presbyterian at Davidson, 12:00 PM Kent State vs. South Dakota State at Hampton, VA, 1:30 PM Navy vs. Oklahoma at Hampton, VA, 1:30 PM *Brown at Davidson, 2:00 PM *Cleveland State vs. Presbyterian at Davidson, 2:00 PM Kent State vs. Virginia at Hampton, VA, 3:00 PM Oklahoma vs. Wisconsin at Hampton, VA, 3:00 PM *Cleveland State vs. The Citadel at Davidson, 4:00 PM Navy vs. South Dakota State at Hampton, VA, 4:30 PM Bloomsburg at Clarion, 7:00 PM Binghamton at Lehigh, 7:00 PM Michigan at Maryland, 7:00 PM Penn at North Carolina, 7:00 PM Oklahoma State at Pittsburgh, 7:00 PM Indiana at Rutgers, 7:00 PM Appalachian State at Virginia Tech, 7:00 PM Iowa at Nebraska, 7:30 PM (6:30 PM) Utah Valley at Iowa State, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Ohio at Northern Illinois, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Illinois at Ohio State, 8:00 PM Air Force at Wyoming, 8:00 PM (6:00 PM) American at Cal Poly, 8:30 PM (5:30 PM) Northern Colorado at Cal Poly, 10:00 PM (7:00 PM) Saturday, January 13: *Navy vs. Oklahoma at Hampton, VA, 12:00 PM Edinboro at George Mason, 1:00 PM *Brown at North Carolina, 1:00 PM Hofstra at VMI, 1:00 PM *Virginia vs. Wisconsin at Hampton, VA, 1:30 PM *Cornell at Lehigh, 2:00 PM Chattanooga at Lindenwood, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) Morgan State at Princeton, 2:00 PM *Harvard at North Carolina, 3:00 PM *Drexel at Binghamton, 5:30 PM *Northern Colorado at California Baptist, 6:00 PM (3:00 PM) *Buffalo at Binghamton, 7:30 PM *Utah Valley at Northern Iowa, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Sunday, January 14: Bucknell at LIU, 12:00 PM *Columbia at Army West Point, 1:00 PM *Hofstra at George Mason, 1:00 PM Northwestern at Maryland, 1:00 PM Michigan State at Michigan, 1:00 PM Indiana at Penn State, 1:00 PM Truett McConnell at Presbyterian, 1:00 PM Rutgers at Purdue, 1:00 PM *VMI at Queens, 1:00 PM *Edinboro at Rider, 1:00 PM Oklahoma State at West Virginia, 1:00 PM *Lindenwood at SIU Edwardsville, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) *Sacred Heart vs. VMI at Queens, 2:30 PM *Drexel at Army West Point, 3:00 PM Pittsburgh at Iowa State, 3:00 PM (2:00 PM) Air Force at Cal Poly, 4:00 PM (1:00 PM) American vs. Campbell at CSU Bakersfield, 4:00 PM (1:00 PM) Central Michigan at CSU Bakersfield, 4:00 PM (1:00 PM) *Sacred Heart at Queens, 4:00 PM American at CSU Bakersfield, 6:00 PM (3:00 PM) Campbell vs. Central Michigan at CSU Bakersfield, 6:00 PM (3:00 PM) American vs. Central Michigan at CSU Bakersfield, 8:00 PM (5:00 PM) Campbell at CSU Bakersfield, 8:00 PM (5:00 PM)

Stale news by now, but still pretty shocking to see Otoguro lose his spot on Japan's Olympic team. I know he's a little banged up still, but does anyone think he got jobbed at the Emperor's cup? He was clearly not happy with the two overturned calls at the end of the match, but I've only seen the highlight clips floating around on social media. I don't know anything about Kiyooka, the guy who beat Otoguro, other than he DNP at U23s. Was this the dude who beat McKenna and Desribats at Zagreb(?) last year? Either way, pretty brutal for Japan's wrestling federation to not at least give a returning Olympic champ a wrestle-off for the spot after losing one tournament by a razor thin margin. @CA_Wrestler?

Thank you @ILLINIWrestlingBlog!! Doing a great service!!

Nahshon Garrett losing 3-4 at the break against Switzerland. I thought Switzerland was neutral, what's with the leg attacks? Nice feet-to-back double from Nahshon for four with :43 seconds left to take an 8-5 lead. A challenge gives Switzerland 2 to make it 8-7 Garrett. With :19 seconds on the clock and a four-pointer in his pocket (meaning he ain't gonna lose on criteria) Nahshon freaking gives up his leg. Switzerland wins 10-8. What a silly mistake. Brandon Courtney wrestling Georgia, gives up the first takedown and the first period ends 0-2. Now tied 2-2 with 2 minutes to go....

There are NCAA rules regarding what a coach can comment on with respect to a prospective student-athlete. Basically, a coach can either confirm or deny that they are recruiting a prospective student-athlete, but cannot go any further than that. I suspect the University of Iowa has a policy that goes even further than that, stating that they cannot comment on prospective student-athletes at all, but am not 100% certain in that regard. That's probably why Brands made that sort of comment. There was a segment where Matt Storniolo went on FRL some years' back and was asked (I believe by Ben Askren) about a recruit who had fairly recently committed to Northwestern, and Storniolo responded with "we are recruiting <wrestler's name>". That's all he's allowed to say. There was an instance in the 1990's where a coach in a sport other than wrestling, at a school that did not at the time (and still doesn't) sponsor wrestling, in a press conference, stated "NCAA rules state we are only allowed to confirm or deny whether we are recruiting a prospective student-athlete. Well, I'm denying. We are not recruiting <PSA's name>." In short, it's not that Tom doesn't want to comment on things (although if I were Tom, I certainly would not be commenting on recruiting a human IED like AJ Ferrari), it's that NCAA rules and/or University of Iowa department policy prohibit him from commenting.

I wouldn't read too much into that pause. No one inserts as many awkward pauses into a sentence as Tom Brands.

i used to think they were slightly informative and liked his barnyard analogies, but now the sheer weight of whats unsaid makes it torture. What is the question that would clear the air? Something like "How embarassed are you that you tried to sell your soul for an NCAA title and to have the whole thing blow up in your face? Its really kind of a worst case scenario huh?"

Lujan and Schultz are both entered at 92 KG, at that... and they will definitely wrestle (unless one gets injured). Rather excited to see Parris get a shot against Masoumi. I think Masoumi is the favorite there, honestly. Finesilver might make it further than Valencia in the 86 KG bracket. Marsteller and Dean on the bottom can meet (potentially) in the finals. Nolf should hit the Greek on bottom. Gwiazdowski should get pulled back in to repechage as he has Zare... unless Geno beats Zare in the finals... ... ... Rivera - McKenna semi-finals looks possible. No Johnny D at 65 KG.

Iowa AD said no to AJ Honestly... was this really a big surprise to any of you? (OMG, I hope not.) D3