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  1. MNRodent
    In their 30 seconds of MN/SDSU coverage, Pyles just said that SDSU almost pulled an upset, yet every rating service (Flo, Coaches poll, Intermat, MatScouts crystal ball) has SDSU higher than Minnesota. He then says if Berge and Carlson wrestle it would be different, although Berge and Carlson both lost to the guys who went for Minnesota (Salazar and VomBaur) yesterday. Minnesota had 5 guys transfer that are starting for other D1 programs (Spratley, Jamison, Polanco, Kluever, Carlson) and yet they are still a solid team that doesn't get much media coverage. At least CP didn't go into his "Fargo" accent when talking about Minnesota, like he usually does.
    5 points
  2. Hammerlock3
    1) it devalues the escape, which is appropriate. 2) if undermines the incentive to ride if you can't turn without ditching riding time 3) it makes the late match scenario where guys sprint for a major much more common, improving dual meets.
    3 points
  3. dragit
    Correct. His argument doesn’t really make any sense under the circumstances (incredibly close call based on reaction time that wins the match against number one ranked guy if reversed). And his sub-argument about the lung break was exactly wrong based on others' immediate and firm reaction. Burroughs very clearly and forcefully said that they should challenge because Echemendia was gassed from the flurry, and Woods obviously saw it too because he shot on the whistle when OT started. Combine this with the brain fart at 174 (I can't picture Tom Brands not knowing the score and the riding time of a match in the final seconds, nor do I think he would have failed to challenge at 141 if the roles were reversed) and Coach Orange had a very bad day. He said in his press conference that everything had gone against them, but they were the ones who screwed up, whereas Iowa lost two AAs and a seasoned starter to the vagaries of the NCAA, made a canny move at 174/184, and got the job done on a day that many thought a torch would be passed.
    3 points
  4. Lunaticfringe
    Wrestle Kennedy at 184. This obsession with redshirting guys right away is dumb. He can do well now, wrestle him, he can redshirt later if he gets hurt. Guys are proving to do worse with age. Minnesota wrestled 157 pounder Matt Nagle at 184 in 2003, then he dropped to 157 the next year. Matt Pell AA’d at 184, to drop to 165 the next 2 seasons. I think Kennedy can be rd of 12-16 at 184.
    3 points
  5. Wrestleknownothing
    By that logic you should make takedowns worth zero so no one is afraid to try for one.
    2 points
  6. Wrestleknownothing
    For what it is worth, I just read Arnold's father's comment on HR saying he thinks his son should go 184.
    2 points
  7. Husker_Du
    is man made climate change real because you said so?
    2 points
  8. flyingcement
    TV Schedule Thursday Bellarmine vs Lindenwood: ESPN+ Friday Iowa vs Penn: ESPN+ CKLV: Flo Rutgers vs Edinboro: Flo Oklahoma vs Missouri: Flo Saturday CKLV: Flo Kent State vs Gardner-Webb: ESPN+ Davidson vs George Mason: ESPN+ Cleveland State vs George Mason: ESPN+ Buffalo vs Gardner-Webb: ESPN+ Davidson vs American: ESPN+ Sunday: Indiana vs Princeton: ESPN+ Oklahoma vs West Virginia: ESPN+ Bucknell vs Wisconsin 2PM: BTN+ Illinois vs Pittsburgh: ACCNX Patriot Open at George Mason: Flo
    2 points
  9. mspart
    And then it goes away. Simple. But if it is useful to most (or enough) people and commercially viable, it will stay in the marketplace of ideas. Again, simple. That's called Free Enterprise. A product with no value disappears or never becomes a thing. mspart
    2 points
  10. ionel
    Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
    2 points
  11. russelscout
    2 points
  12. bnwtwg
    After my Keuter prediction I am henceforth doubling down on all bad takes. No way I could ever be wrong.
    2 points
  13. TNwrestling
    All due respect, you didnt ask who i thought WOULD take the job. You asked who I'd prefer to take it.
    2 points
  14. GoGopher
    That’s the tough part of MN wrestling SDSU it’s a lose lose scenario. MN just beat a really talented SDSU team and they will receive zero credit for it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    2 points
  15. Antitroll2828
    I’d argue the opposite, when is the last time you heard of a big name wrestler or even an AA level guy fail out of school or be held out of matches for grades ? Happens every year in football, basketball , baseball and I can’t think of one example really, maybe Teasedale when he was at PSU but I don’t think he was even in school for a full year and he was redshirting , guaranteed the wrestling team has a higher GPA than most sports at most schools
    2 points
  16. ClawRidesAgain
    It’s point inflation just like 4 point near falls. Just my opinion. I am old.
    2 points
  17. Plasmodium
    I think the td:esc ratio is better now. I expected it to generate urgency but haven't seen it.
    2 points
  18. Wrestleknownothing
    2 points
  19. Mr. PeanutButter
    Big fan. I do think we should change majors to a 10 point differential seeing how just one move (Takedown + 4 nearfall) can get you nearly all the way to bonus point territory. We also might need to rethink techfall barriers at some point, idk. Carr definitely majored Caliendo today and demonstrated he was several levels above. I was surprised, however, to see how quickly and how close he got to a techfall because in my totally unbiased eyes Caliendo wrestled really tough while being totally outwrestled (if that makes sense). I didn't feel like I was watching a techfall take place but maybe I should get my eyes checked.
    2 points
  20. 1032004
    Check the video a couple posts up. I agree with no TD, but it’s awfully close
    2 points
  21. jross
    2 points
  22. Phantom
    I think this shows me Buffalo is not capable of being on the scene like Bloomsburg has done before.
    2 points
  23. MPhillips
    CKLV team entrants and Wrestlestats ratings as of Nov. 22: Some Notables: 125 - #1 Ramos, #2 Camacho, #3 Figueroa, #8 DeAugustino, #11 Smith, #12 Terukina, #13 Ungar, #19 McCrone, #20 Sotelo, #22 Volk, #21 Babin, , #24 Kaylor, #26 Ventresca, #25 Owens, 133 - #2 Vito, #3 Fix, #5 Latona, #6 Orine, #7 Cannon, #10 Zaccone, #11 Chlebove, #12 Rini, #13 Ferretti, #14 Brown, #15 Bouzakis, #16 Frost, #17 Whisenhut, #18 Zaccone, #22 Cardinal, #28 Cheblove, #31 Brown. 141 - #4 McNeil, #5 Mendez, #6 Hardy, #8 Jack, #9 Happel, #11 Ulrey, #12 Koderhandt, #15 Cornell, #18 Miller, #20 Tal Shahar. 149 - #1 Lovett, #2Henson, #4 Parco, #5 Lamer, #6 Arrington, #7 D'Emilio, #9 Willochel, #11Kinner, #13 Abas #16 Swiderski, #20 Miller, #21 Williams. 157 - #3 Robb, #9 Teemer, #4 Andonian, #5 Blaze, #11 Lewan, #7 Scott, #10 Cardenas, #16 Paddy #12 Chumbley, #22 Swenson, #23 Akey, #19 Kellar, #28 Shapiro. 165 - #2 Carr, #3 Amine, #8 Olejnik, #5 Ramirez, #9 Olguin, #11 Taylor, #18 Cook, #19 Hepner, #20 Thompson, #34 Brady. 174 - #12 Lewis, #3 Griffith, #4 Kharchla, #9 Devos, #15 Gaitan, #16 Wittlake, #17 Conigliaro, #20 Wolak. 184- #1 Keck, #2 Foca, #3 Munoz, #5 Feldkamp, #6 Plott, #8 Pinto, #9 Key, #12 Hoffman, #16 Fisher, #18 Kane, #20 Berge, #22 Fishback, 197- #2 Hidlay, #3 Sloan, #7 Allred, # Cardenas, #9 Smith, #10 Surber, #15 Hopkins, #18 Bockman, #19 Stemmet, #21 Smith, #22 Geog, #30 Shaw. 285 - #2 Hendrickson, #4 Schultz, #5 Davison, #7 Bastida, #8 Feldman, #9 Trepham, #13 Ghadiali, #14 Griess, #17 Kluever, #18 Gordon, #19 Doucet, #20 Day. Probably don't get Hendrickson, Schultz, Mekhi and some others.
    2 points
  24. AnklePicker
    I'm wondering if coaches will start teaching more throws since you can get 7 points off of one good one. The odds of going feet to back off of a TD is much less likely. Most coaches seem to think throws are risky but when they present themselves they are actually not very risky and they have tremendous reward especially with the new rule set. Nothing easier than a perfectly timed and executed lat drop.
    1 point
  25. Offthemat
    The legislative branch of the government has been shut down for a week and a half, or didn’t they tell you.
    1 point
  26. gimpeltf
    Maybe @TNwrestling edited his post but Nahshon lives in Pa (training at Lehigh RTC)
    1 point
  27. VakAttack
    The other way to look at it is that Iowa got at least 1 takedown in 6 matches, and Iowa State in 5. Even in the matches where they were outgunned, like 165 and 285, they were still working and taking shots. Gaitan likely gets teched if Kennedy isn't coming off injury, he's not typically a gasser. Even at 133, Teske was attacking and taking shots....he's just not that great, especially at 133.
    1 point
  28. pmilk
    Read the stalling rule and that is the template that guides how you on how to "smart stall." It's a rather simple plan. Get ahead, stay ahead, get your hand raised. Wrestle within the rules. For the fella who "lost all sorts of matches in many different ways," all I can say is that perhaps you could have benefitted from the smart stalling strategy, unless you were never ahead. And you are correct, I should have explicitly stated that no one should be smart enough to manipulate the rules to their advantage to beat an opponent who isn't as gifted mentally. I was never bitter when I've lost, I was mostly livid....I was only bitter that I didn't wrestle smarter. Actually, the rule changes are the gradual continuation of eliminating folkstyle and transitioning to freestyle. Bummer.
    1 point
  29. Wrestleknownothing
    Other way around. Iowa had 11 TDs to Iowa State's 15. While I agree that the first Caliendo stall was suspect, I also agree that Iowa was well deserving of their big lead in stalling. Should it have been 11-0? 10-2? Not sure it really matters. Brands found a way to win when his team averaged 1.2 stalls per match and only 1.1 TDs per match. How often does a team get more stalls than TDs and still win? Call it a great coaching job by Brands. Call it a poor coaching job by Dresser. Or a little from column A and a little from column B.
    1 point
  30. Dogbone
    Duals now have video review so we don't need more cameras, but 3 people sitting somewhere together to review and the ability to communicate with them and stream them the replays. Most venues have internet so my question is what is the actual cost to try and have independent reviews? Why couldn't the same 3 guys do all of the NCAA D1 duals from an offsite location? Yes, there would be some overlap but not many reviews happen at the exact same time. It would also provide some consistency if the same 3 officials (probably more to rotate but still a smaller number) were reviewing most questionable calls. Would eliminating the 2nd ref offset these cost? And does it really matter if some schools/conference can't afford to participate in a joint 3rd party review system, it wouldn't be a competitive disadvantage to the participates any more than someone getting screwed by a bad call now? To be clear, I agree with your position on independent reviews and I probably don't understand the entire cost necessary, but it seems possible, if there was a real desire to solve the problem.
    1 point
  31. MPhillips
    Fickle bunch...
    1 point
  32. nhs67
    Has anyone in here said Iowa State yet? Tom and Terry ran circles around Dresser yesterday.
    1 point
  33. 1032004
    Don't remember if anything in 2nd period or if timeclock issues. It was Woods/Echemendia where they stopped it with 1 second though if that's what you're thinking of
    1 point
  34. nhs67
    Which is precisely why there should be an independent review team. I understand not doing it for duals, because that is a lot of extra overhead, but for large tournaments. On the international level you see it. It keeps refs honest. Edit: If it is one thing aside for Dresser getting completely outcoached that we all can agree on, I think it is that the refs last night were not honest. How does Iowa outpace Iowa State in takedowns yet get called twelve times for stalling where Iowa State got zero calls? Please refer to the Carr-Caliendo match for example. Caliendo first got called for stalling while he was actively attempting to circle, set up a shot, and shoot... WHILE SHOOTING!
    1 point
  35. nhs67
    TLDR. I just wanted to come in and say that regardless of what my vote might have been for before, after last night I don't see a way the vote isn't Tom and Terry. They just outcoached the shit out of Dresser and it wasn't even close. The running them for Iowa State last night was this... 141 - Dresser: Year I messed up there. 157 - Dresser: Yeah I messed up there. 174 - Dresser: Yeah I messed up there. 184 - Dresser: Yeah I messed up there. 197 - Dresser: Yeah I messed up there. Five matches, or 5/10 where he dropped the ball as the HC. I am curious if they consider swapping Broderson and Feldkamp at this point for some duals, because Broderson at 197 did not want to be there against a Fringe T24 type guy in Glazier. What do you think he is going to do against the brutes of 197 in Hidlay, Beard, Brooks, Poznanski, Surber, Smith, Joles, Allred, etc... or the guys that are so much longer in Elam, Sloan, Shaw, Cardenas, etc?
    1 point
  36. Interviewed_at_Weehawken
    But he probably beats Glazier on paper, and they didn't even try.
    1 point
  37. wrestle87
    You can argue that, and I respect that approach and hope it is a massive wave of change that is underway, but if you've spent 13 years wrestling and around wrestlers at all levels from peewee through 4 years of college, I would be surprised if you would continue to make this argument. There are absolutely pockets and teams that do not tolerate this behavior, but we are talking about the average school with the average college wrestlers. 1) No college sport gets in the way of studying and being a good student more than wrestling. Trying to study for a test while cutting 10+ pounds at the same time has diminishing returns. It can be done, but by definition you are not getting the most out of yourself in one when you have to focus on the other. 2) Few college sports are as physically and mentally extreme as wrestling. When that is your standard for normal, it leads to some rowdy behavior outside the season, both bc it doesn't seem normal, and bc wrestlers have so much pent up after the season, a lot of it has to come out, and it does in ridiculous ways. There is nothing wrong with either of these in a vacuum. The problem comes in when comparing a wrestlers reality to the expectations universities lay over their low-income programs. If wrestling landed each school fat TV contracts and netted millions per year, this would magically cease to be a concern. But for the average program, aka the fringe, might be here in 10 years might get ODU'd program, it is a reality and a real concern.
    1 point
  38. Gantry
    How come nobody is discussing the big issue here? SDSU has three guys named Tanner in their starting lineup? I'll be the one brave enough to ask - what's happening in Brookings?
    1 point
  39. InterMat Staff
    More information about "Big 12 Weekly Recap (11/27/2023)"
    It was a light week overall with Thanksgiving Break so I’m mixing up my typical wrap-up. Just two Big 12 duals occurred on Sunday, but both had some great action and huge results. The South Dakota State Jackrabbits kicked the day off, taking on Minnesota in an exciting matchup. Starting at 125, #22 Tanner Jordan took out #6 Pat McKee for the first time with a 9-4 decision. In a wild match that had two reversals for both wrestlers, Jordan broke it open late with a tilt for back points. The Jackrabbits continued the momentum, as Derrick Cardinal beat freshman standout Tyler Wells with a 5-3 decision. Wells teched Cardinal at the Bison Open earlier this month. Unfortunately, Minnesota came back with four wins of their own, including an overtime match between ranked opponents at 157lbs. #13 Michael Blockhus took out #11 Cael Swensen with a late surge to go to overtime and took the match there. Unranked Blaine Brenner took out #19 Tanner Cook in a bout that SDSU needed to win. Cade DeVos and Tanner Sloan got wins, but no Bennett Berge meant big team points for Minnesota at 184. There was still a chance with just heavyweight remaining, but SDSU had to get a bonus as criteria was against them. Luke Rasmussen made a late push, but dropped the final match 9-7 as SDSU lost a very fun 19-13 dual. Once Clay Carlson and Bennett Berge are consistently in the lineup, the Jackrabbits are only going to be more dangerous. Iowa-Iowa State was one of the most hyped duals of the season, and it lived up to it. Iowa took the dual 18-14 and six of the ten matches. Iowa State had some great moments early, but surprisingly struggled at the upper weights. #8 Kysen Terukina lost to #17 Drake Ayala, but #19 Evan Frost got Iowa State on the board with a shocking win over #8 Brody Teske. Frost not only scored the only takedown, but hit a tilt for back points to cap it. The two teams continued to split matches, as Iowa won 141 and 157 while Iowa State won 149 and 165. #19 Anthony Echemendia was razor close to taking out #1 Real Woods, with a controversial “no challenge” from Iowa State on a potential takedown. In overtime, Woods shot quickly and converted a takedown for the close win. #14 Casey Swiderski took out #9 Victor Voinovich, where Iowa State again won the takedown battle. Then at 157 #2 Jared Franek and true freshman #18 Cody Chittum went to the wire, with Iowa State again just barely running out of time on a takedown attempt. #2 David Carr demolished #5 Mikey Caliendo with a 16-4 major that included three takedowns. Weight bumps were discussed for both teams coming into the dual, and Iowa was the team to follow through. They bumped up #14 Patrick Kennedy, a 165lber last season, to take on #21 MJ Gaitan. Kennedy built an early 12-4 lead going into the third, but Gaitan scored three takedowns of his own. Down one with riding time, Gaitan stayed on top and ended up dropping a 14-13 match. Afterwards, Coach Dresser admitted that it was a coaching mistake, and they should have had him cut a gassed Kennedy to try and get one more takedown, although time was against him. With Kennedy at 174, true freshman Gabe Arnold bumped up to 184. Despite getting a top 12 win at 174 against Oregon State, Arnold got a top eight win while up a weight. He scored an early takedown on #6 Will Feldkamp and didn’t have to do much else. Feldkamp was looking for offense from overhooks and Arnold did a smart job wrestling positionally to not give anything up outside of escapes. At 197, Iowa State needed #24 Julien Broderson to take out #22 Zach Glazier to stay in the dual. Unfortunately for the Cyclones, Glazier scored the only takedowns of the match to clinch the dual. #7 Yonger Bastida scored a 17-6 major decision to end the dual on a less sour note for Iowa State. Overall the Big 12 teams went 0-2 against the Big 10. However, South Dakota State looked really solid and should be able to look even better once their lineup is healthy. Iowa State had a number of chances, but also seemed to have luck against them. Weird calls, late timing, and a lack of production at the upperweights really hurt a team that could still turn into a trophy contender in March. The upcoming week has much more competition, as many Big 12 teams are headed to the stacked Cliff Keen Las Vegas Invitational. #21 Air Force, #16 Northern Iowa, #9 Oklahoma State, #11 Iowa State, #13 South Dakota State, Utah Valley, and Wyoming will all compete in Vegas. #3 Missouri takes on #12 Oklahoma in Columbia, MO. The Sooners then head to Morgantown for a dual against #26 West Virginia. North Dakota State stays at home to wrestle Virginia. Northern Colorado has the Cougar Clash tournament listed for December 2nd. California Baptist doesn’t compete this week. All-in-all two great duals that didn’t go the conference’s way, but a chance to really make a statement in a ridiculously stacked Cliff Keen. Add in some solid conference and non-conference duals, and December is looking to start the month strong.
    1 point
  40. jross
    ^^^ looks like common ground to wait for confirmation.
    1 point
  41. Wrestleknownothing
    What took so long?
    1 point
  42. PSULou64
    Arnold is very put together but I wonder in matches where pace, conditioning and guys who actually shoot and require real defense against will be like. I also wonder how his bottom game actually is. I'm not saying that Starocci can't be beat or Keckeisen can't be, if he moves up to 184 for the good of the team, but those guys have motors unlike anyone else and are of a completely different caliber than what he's wrestled so far.
    1 point
  43. Alces Alces Gigas
    4xer? Future Hawkeye Head Coach? Future Hawkeye AD? Is it too soon?
    1 point
  44. PSULou64
    Here are a couple of my thoughts: If this match were at Iowa and Iowa st. Wrestlers were as "passive" as the Iowa wrestlers. There would have about 30 stall calls during the match. A supposed #1/#2 wrestling a mid teen ranked wrestler should be considerably more dominant in their win. That doesn't mean the match can't be close in score but it should never be in doubt. Brands talked about going out there and scoring points but maybe he should give that speech to his wrestlers. You'd think the team would have the same style/aggressiveness as the coach but that is definitely not the case. The Iowa State coaches did not corner coach well. Dresser did not utilize the tools available to him to the benefit of his wrestlers. Whether a challenge is successful or not is sometimes immaterial if it creates other benefit to your guy.
    1 point
  45. wrestle87
    Thanks, and woof that’s brutal wording. I almost feel bad for the refs, they are put in some tough spots having to create and manage expectations for what stalling and reaction time are on their mats.
    1 point
  46. Mr. PeanutButter
    this looks pretty damning if reaction time didn't exist. Rewatching it like a million times on video replay, Woods rolls and catches a leg right after this still. It's definitely close though. Way too close.
    1 point
  47. 1032004
    Here is the Chittum replay
    1 point
  48. Gus
    Gabe wrestled Greta against Feldkamp and came up clutch but he looked undersized. Wrestle him at 174 (his ideal weight) or redshirt him is my opinion.
    1 point
  49. Bulldog
    Washington has done well at Indiana. He went from a zero-time state champ to being a very solid D1/B1G wrestler. He could absolutely be a r12 guy this year and maybe even find a way on the podium. I wish this would help some recruits see some light at Indiana and Coach Escobedo could finally land the next generation of Hoosiers that will open more doors for him. That being said, as painful as the end of the Goldman era was, he still put his guys on the podium and even sent a few to the national finals...three times they won. Like everyone else, I think Escobedo is the sort of man I would want my own kid to wrestle for, but sadly am starting to lose hope again
    1 point
  50. uncle bernard
    can you seriously not understand how stupid the quote in the tweet is? take a glass of water that’s 97% full (this is Earth’s natural emissions pre-industrial revolution). then pour another 3% in so that the glass is filled to the brim and starting to spill over (this is the added human emissions post industrial revolution). the 97% DOES impact climate change. it’s the increased human emissions on top of this baseline normal emissions that is slowly raising average temps.
    1 point
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