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  1. Interviewed_at_Weehawken
    The program is likely better off without him, for similar reasons that the program was better with Kem-Dawg. Character.
    6 points
  2. PortaJohn
    His father emigrated from NY to Texas. AJ is first generation Texan but still emulates the culture of his forefathers. Very typical for first generation children of immigrants
    5 points
  3. flyingcement
    Sex offender isn't a race
    4 points
  4. Hwt1
    Dresser took Echemendia, so you never know!
    4 points
  5. Gus
    Probably Manning
    4 points
  6. Wrestleknownothing
    Pyle said one coach wished he would stop calling. Wonder which one.
    4 points
  7. Bardamu911
    as an ASU diehard.....dear god plz no
    4 points
  8. flyingcement
    The woman is the mother of the year in wrestling as far as I can tell. Class act and excellent mother.
    4 points
  9. mspart
    Plasi, if you want to call this an insurrection go for it. I think the evidence clearly shows it was not. If you will not listen to explanations other than it was an insurrection, then so be it. But you still haven't answered any of the questions I have posed about it so I'm guessing you are: mspart
    3 points
  10. Offthemat
    Better supervision would have prevented law enforcement firing on peaceful protesters.
    3 points
  11. Paul158
    The people who denied adequate security really should be held responsible, The Chief of the Capital Police requested it weeks in advance yet was turned down by multiple times. A 5th grader would know that you have to have the security in place before the protests. If you have to call in security after the fact you have miserably failed your responsibility. Anyone who had half a brain would have known to have adequate security because of the political temperature at the time. Had the powers that be had just done their job we would not be having this conversation. The question we would like answered and investigated is why thy refused to protect the Capital.
    3 points
  12. dragit
    It seems to me that the fact that people are talking about the possibility that this student athlete might find a team to wrestle for in NAIA illustrates why continuing discussion of the issue (on a wrestling board) is not gratuitous. Not only would allowing him to injure another victim be immoral, one would think it would also expose the new university to substantial liability.
    3 points
  13. dragit
    The dad appears to have substantial sway. Does he honestly not understand that the behavior is unacceptable for student athletes, or does he facilitate this because he thinks that the notoriety derived from lawless and/or classless behavior will be ultimately financially rewarding through WWE, UFC, internet sales, etc.?
    3 points
  14. Wrestleknownothing
    Many would say this is the brightest day in Iowa wrestling in the past month or so.
    3 points
  15. dragit
    Speaking of mothers, it needs to be emphasized again, how amazing and how great for the sport is Mrs. Lilliard? If you've read her posts that Mineo posted by screenshot, they are starkly honest, direct, dignified, and forceful -- and with zero malice toward the wrestler who injured her son. Although the subsequent events have been opaque, it appears that her decency and determination are the only things that have finally put a stop to this dangerous conduct.
    3 points
  16. Plasmodium
    I think a rule to avoid alcohol during the season is reasonable. A year long rule would make liars and cheats out of most of the team, so counter productive.
    3 points
  17. billyhoyle
    Ferrari just claimed that he was having racial slurs directed at him during the Soldier Salute from Iowa fans and that contributed to his reaction. He seems like a trustworthy guy, so I guess his actions were justified and all should be forgiven.
    2 points
  18. pawrestler
    Seriously though that whole interview was the narcissist’s prayer in video form That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
    2 points
  19. GoGopher
    If anyone is ever confused what a narcissist is, show them this video. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    2 points
  20. billyhoyle
    No way he passes a background check for it after one google search. He needs therapy, not the army, and it’s not the army’s job to fix him.
    2 points
  21. Hammerlock3
    shouldn't you pay your debts?
    2 points
  22. InterMat Staff
    More information about "The Week the Freshmen Shined"
    From time to time, during the middle or end of a season, you may hear a coach say something like, “They aren’t freshmen anymore.” However, the phrase is uttered, it’s meant to illustrate the fact that they’ve been with the team, practicing for months, experienced multiple competitions, and need to come up big for the team. Maybe some mental and physical errors early on in their season can be tolerated and learned from, but at some point coaches need results. It just so happened that a handful of talented freshmen earned huge wins over the last week. Wins that may change the trajectory of their entire careers. After beating an All-American (or a ranked wrestler), beating another one doesn’t seem like such a daunting task. They have that tangible evidence that the work they’ve put in has paid off, in terms of wins and losses. Not everyone is in that same boat. Some freshmen were thought to be really good, but just didn’t have a high-level opponent to validate such expectations. The schedule finally broke right so they got tested. However the scenario, during the last week of action, plenty of freshmen shined brighter than ever before in the 2023-24 season. And they all did it during a couple of day span. Here’s more about their big wins: Cody Chittum (Iowa State) In our “27 Key Matches to Watch This Weekend” article, we stated that “Chittum has been good thus far, but is still looking for a first signature win.” I think beating two-time All-American Jacori Teemer (Arizona State) qualifies as a “signature win.” Chittum finished his weekend with a football-score victory over California Baptist’s Chaz Hallmark (31-11). That loss was Teemer's first in a dual setting since January 2021 and only the fourth of his career. Braeden Davis (Penn State) It’s been well-documented that Penn State hasn’t been able to find a long-term answer at 125 lb since the graduation of Nico Megaludis in 2016. Maybe, just maybe, they’ve found it with Michigan native Braeden Davis. Davis came into the weekend with an 8-0 record and had passed every test presented to him. That trend continued and he even took it up a notch with an 11-6 victory over 2022 NCAA All-American Brandon Kaylor (Oregon State). We’re approaching Davis’ fifth date of competition so a decision about his status as the Nittany Lions starter should come soon. TK Davis (Gardner-Webb) The rest of the wrestlers we’ll mention are already in the rankings and/or were huge nationally-ranked recruits. TK Davis is a true freshman for Gardner-Webb who appears to be in the midst of a redshirt season. He entered the weekend with a 4-7 record competing only in tournaments. In Davis’ dual debut for Gardner-Webb, he stunned #28 Marlon Yarbrough (Virginia) with a first-period fall. That victory put Gardner-Webb up 9-0 after two matches against the Cavaliers. Ryder Downey (Northern Iowa) The Cliff Keen Las Vegas Invitational was the site for Ryder Downey’s breakout when he earned wins over Paddy Gallagher (Ohio State) and Trevor Chumbley (Northwestern). He took it up a notch over the weekend and defeated CKLV champion Peyton Robb, 6-5. It was Robb’s first regular season loss since February 2022. Tyler Kasak (Penn State) With the injury to All-American Shayne Van Ness, Penn State had a hole in the middle of the lineup at 149 lbs. In steps true freshman Tyler Kasak, for now, possibly for the rest of the season. Kasak competed in the Black Knight Invitational at 141 lbs, but has moved up for two duals since then. The most recent came at Oregon State, where Kasak knocked off redshirt freshman Nash Singleton, who was a sixth-place finisher at the CKLV. Sergio Lemley (Michigan) Thursday night saw Michigan travel to the Sanford Pentagon to take on South Dakota State for the first time in program history. Though the dual was ultimately a loss for Michigan, one of the bright spots was the performance of the Wolverines' two true freshmen. The first of which was Sergio Lemley who used a late score to knock off two-time All-American Clay Carlson. Since his debut, Lemley’s only losses have come to opponents ranked in the top ten. Mitchell Mesenbrink (Penn State) Friday night the rest of the 165 lb weight class was put on notice by redshirt freshman Mitchell Mesenbrink. Coming into Friday’s dual, Mesenbrink had a perfect 9-0 record; however, he hadn’t faced anyone ranked higher than 16th in the nation. That changed as a match against the defending Pac-12 champion, #10 Matt Olguin (Oregon State), hung in the balance. Mesenbrink wasted no time racking up 17 points in a tech fall that took only 3:46 to amass. Mesenbrink is now solidified as a contender at 165 lbs. Meyer Shapiro (Cornell) We’ve had some glimpses at just how good Meyer Shapiro could be thus far, but on Friday night the picture became much clearer. Shapiro crushed #12 Paddy Gallagher with a 15-0 tech fall. Two days later, was the rematch of his much-anticipated CKLV bout against two-time All-American Bryce Andonian (Virginia Tech). Unfortunately, this match ended prematurely as Andonian suffered a gruesome-looking injury during a prolonged scramble. Troy Spratley (Oklahoma State) One of the sparks for Oklahoma State during their 22-12 win over NC State Friday night came from leadoff hitter Troy Spratley. Spratley got the Cowboys on the board with a 7-3 win over Jakob Camacho, who has spent time as the number one-ranked wrestler in the nation at 125 lbs. Before beating Camacho, Spratley’s signature win was handing Midlands champion Luke Stanich his only loss of the year. Brayden Thompson (Oklahoma State) The true freshman that shine for Oklahoma State was their 174 lber Brayden Thompson. At the time of the 174 lb bout, the NC State dual was still in question with the Cowboys holding a 13-7 lead. Thompson and the Wolfpack’s Alex Faison were involved with a seven-minute stalemate, of sorts. Each wrestler had an escape after nine minutes of wrestling and needed rideouts to decide the bout. Thompson got another escape and appeared to have a takedown, via cradle, and potentially backpoints; however, that was deemed after the whistle. He would ride Faison long enough to get riding time on his side in the second :30 period.
    2 points
  23. Idaho
    No, you were responding to @nhs67 in regards to .... here it is below...exactly what he said and exactly what you said. Show me the kids who I threw under the bus in my interactions with you please. You haven't corrected me and I was not mistaken... you are a bad communicator. Look below again in what was said and how you responded. I'm not offended.... just confused why you think grown college men are considered a child? Do you really think my response to you at the bottom is an "aggressive manner" and "antagonizing someone"?
    2 points
  24. mspart
    With the apparent lack of ordnance, small arms, and organization, calling Jan 6 an insurrection is laughable. Calling it so does not make it so. If Trump is guilty of insurrection, then why is DOJ not charging him with that? Oh yeah, no evidence to pull that off. When was the last insurrection in a country not self described as a government takeover? When was the last insurrection acccomplished without weapons and explosives, fire and massive damage? An insurrection is a bloody revolutionary type action. Is that what happened on Jan 6? So insurrectionists leave after a couple of hours after being asked to vacate? I think it is apparent that an insurrection did not happen. Riot is a strong word but is probably applicable. Should people be prosecuted for trespass and the like? Yes. mspart
    2 points
  25. Elevator
    Yes - but as to Lewis I think his eligibility is up.
    2 points
  26. ionel
    2 points
  27. nhs67
    What if we shit our big boy pants? Asking for a friend. Also, unrelated: I am not allowed to drink Jägermeister on an empty stomach sans Red Bull anymore.
    2 points
  28. Wrestleknownothing
    Doesn't Iowa AD, Beth Goetz, realize AJ was being attacked by not one, but two people, and he simply acted in self defense?
    2 points
  29. KCMO2
    They're all going to Iowa still! Because as a well known poster/troll/blind sqirrel put it at 3:50 pm on 12/31/23, "All 3 Ferraris will wrestle in the black and gold. Book it."
    2 points
  30. Ohio Elite
    2 points
  31. Wrestleknownothing
    The reddit thread seeking to crowd source questions for the interview is brutal
    2 points
  32. nhs67
    So Baylor Fernandes was a kid being a kid, then? Also, you shouldn't come to a forum and tell us not to talk about it on a forum. Asking the kettles not to mettle with the pots there.
    2 points
  33. bnwtwg
    Navy gets it done this year
    2 points
  34. jross
    What was the plan? When the Capitol was overtaken by force, what demands were made? How and why did the violent insurrection end? Why did the plan fail?
    2 points
  35. Idaho
    In other Nebraska news.... Condomitti sees his first action in a long time going 4-0 at Hastings at 165. Good for him. Good kid and good family.
    2 points
  36. GreatWhiteNorth
    All good. One tip for future reference - I'm steadily in the middle of the road in terms of politics. If you ever think any of my posts are "political", you've most likely confused me with someone else. The only time my posts are "political" is when I'm responding to someone who is either far left or far right. I dislike both groups' close mindedness. In return, both like to paint me as "left" or "right" - it's how simpletons think. They have great difficulty with the concept that we aren't, and shouldn't be, a country split in half that constantly opposes each other. We're mostly all on the same team, with mostly the same concerns, and we shouldn't lose sight of that being where we are strongest as a country. Especially in light of the chaotic behavior much of the rest of the world is seeing right now.
    2 points
  37. lu_alum
    Had Enough Wrestling. Indications of burnout and/or no longer caring about collegiate success.
    2 points
  38. VakAttack
    Tough break, JB, good luck in your future endeavors.
    2 points
  39. GreatWhiteNorth
    I would prefer tolerance. Every time. Primitive screwheads in some middle eastern countries choose murder by "drawn and quartered" or whatever. Tolerance is better. Always.
    2 points
  40. Mr. PeanutButter
    Concise yet eloquent. Very impressive summary
    2 points
  41. Interviewed_at_Weehawken
    I think Pat Pop is Catholic, or was brought up Catholic. Alcohol is encouraged!
    2 points
  42. MPhillips
    Ohio State Buckeyes, 8-1 on the season with a nice finish at CKLV. B1G schedule starts in five days. Illinois on the 12th. Maryland on the 19th. Wisconsin on the 21st. Michigan on the 26th. Penn St. on the 2nd. Rutgers on the 4th. Indiana on the 11th. Michigan State on the 16th to finish up the dual season. All but one of these duals is winnable, with a question mark against Michigan (it's a home dual which should help). Mid Season report card. 125 Brendan McCrone, 13-6 overall. He's been good. McCrone is young and he looks it. He'll get better with experience. Quality wins over Camacho and Ventrusca. Lost close matches to Medley and Volk. He's going to miss Ramos, Smith, Ayala and McKee until the B1G tourney. C+ 133 Nic Bouzakis, 16-5 overall. Nic has taken some head scratching losses, and has had some quality wins. If he keeps his weight under control he's a tough out. He's been a terror on the backside. The schedule favors him the rest of the season. B- 141 Jesse Mendez, 15-1 overall. He's been really good. Last second loss to Matthews is his only blemish. He handled Hardy and Jack. Mendez has Bartlett and Moore left. He will miss Woods until the B1G tourney. A 149 Dylan D'Emilio, 17-4 overall. Having a great season. His pace is improved. Has beaten Arrington and Swiderski with losses to Arrington, Parco and Lovett. He still has Gomez and gets Lovett again. Will miss Van Ness(injury) and Voinovich until the B1G tourney. B 157 Paddy Gallagher, 16-5 overall. He's had a good season. He's been better on the mat and he's been finishing his shots. He still has Chumbley, Lewan and Haines. He'll miss Blaze, Franek and Robb until B1G. B- 165 Isaac Wilcox, 10-5 / Bryce Hepner, 2-1 - Wilcox won the early season wrestle off and has manned the 165 spot most of the season. Has a good win against Brady. He's been a solid wrestler for the Bucks. C- Bryce Hepner 2-1 overall. Had a close loss to Ramirez, unlucky not get to SV in that match. No Grade. It'll be interesting to see what happens the rest of the season here. Still have Fish, Gilcher, Messenbrink, Amine and Hamiti. 174 Carson Kharchla, 12-3 / Rocco Welsh, 11-1 overall. Kharch has a loss to #3, #7 and a medical. He's looked really good at 174, but the injuries wont leave him alone. A- If Kharchla is unable to finish the season we have a great, "backup" in Welsh. He's young, dynamic and pacey. His lone loss is a MFF. A Whomever mans the spot still has, Starocci, Griffith and Ruth on the schedule. We miss Kennedy/Arnold, Washington and Wilson until the B1G tourney. 184 Seth Shumate, 6-2 / Gavin Hoffman, 5-4 overall. Shumate began the season and had a good start at the Open tourneys. One of his losses was to his RS teammate, Rogotzke. Shumate hasn't wrestled since the Edinboro dual. I believe he gets some more matches in the future. C- Hoffman has wrestled the majority of the matches since. He's struggled, but OSU must believe he's their best option? This is not the Same Hoffman that beat Sloan, Bonaccorsi, Woodley, Bulsak, Caffey and Amos. We still wrestle Truax and Bullock but we miss Pinto, Salazar and Assad until the B1G tourney. D 197 Luke Geog, 7-5 overall. I've been waiting on Geog to start his OSU career. It's been a pretty bumpy start. Had a disappointing CKLV. A nice win over Smith(VT) Was beaten soundly by Stout of Pitt and TF'ed by Hidlay (NCST) I'm confidant he's going to be the guy at 197 for the future and this year is going to be an, "experience season." He still has to face Brooks, Smith, Braunagel and Poznanski. Geog misses Glazier and Allred until the B1G tourney. C- 285 Nick Feldman, 14-3 overall. We've all been waiting on Feldman. This season will serve as his real RS season as an injury early in 2022 and a subsequent surgery delayed his start as a Buckeye. Quality wins over Fernandes (2x) and Catka. Losses to Trephan, Ghiadiali (injured but finished) and Bastida. I feel much the same as I do about Geog when considering Feldman. This will be a learning season. Feldman is good now and if he stays healthy he'll become a force. He's small for the weight and length will be a problem for him. His low single has been his bread and butter. He's quick and agile for a guy built like an outhouse. Coming up Feldman will have Kerk, Davison, Slavikowski, Luffman and Nevills. Still not sure about Steveson. If he comes back we miss him until the B1G tourney. That's a tough finish to the season. A few other Buckeyes: 125 Vinnie Kilkeary, 17-6 overall. He's wrestled really well. Has wins over Lujan and Treaster. 7th at Midlands. 133 Andre Gonzales, 17-6 overall. Just no place for him on the roster. Has a win over Ragusin. 184 Ryder Rogotzke, 12-5 overall. He's been good and has nine falls on the season. Perhaps our best choice at 184. I'd rather he just keep the RS though. 'Rather throw ya than know ya."
    1 point
  43. flyingcement
    Understand the need for nuance. As for me, I would prefer that if you witness something like pedophilia on your own account, don't waste time with a police report. There are lots of explainable ways that someone could die by accident. And the world is always better for it. If saints really exist, then they are the people that murder pedophiles.
    1 point
  44. FanOfPurdueWrestling
    To continue on this, imagine winning a bracket with Fix, Suriano, Lee, etc. and then having to Go win a 16 man bracket full of the winners amongst winners. This is my first Olympics as a “real” fan and I cannot wait!
    1 point
  45. InterMat Staff
    More information about "2024 Doc B Recruiting Recap"
    The last month or so has seen some excellent individual tournaments at the high school level. This span concluded with the best tournament out west, the Doc Buchanan Invitational, which took place on Friday and Saturday. The Doc B featured an incredibly deep field with most of California’s best teams, along with plenty of other top teams from the West Coast and all points in between. As we typically do with high-profile high school tournaments, we’ve singled out the wrestlers who have committed to compete at the next level and tracked their progress at the Doc B. These wrestlers have been grouped together by their future schools. Air Force Jack Estevez - Poway, California: 3-2 (160 lbs) Gianni Maldonado - Lake Gibson, Florida: Seventh Place (160 lbs) American Leo Maestas - Clovis West, California: 3-2 (135 lbs) - Class of 2025 Arizona State Nicholas Sahakian - St. John Bosco, California: Runner-Up (288 lbs) Army West Point Joseph Antonio - St. John Bosco, California: Runner-Up (168 lbs) - Class of 2025 Mike Calcagno - Immaculate Conception, Illinois: Fourth Place (218 lbs) Primo Catalano - Chaminade, California: Eighth Place (178 lbs) Bryce Luna: St. Francis, California: 4-2 (135 lbs) Ryland Whitworth - Fountain Valley, California: Seventh Place (218 lbs) Brown Khimari Manns - St. Edward, Ohio: 4-2 (129 lbs) - Class of 2025 Moses Mirabel - Gilroy, California: Fifth Place (147 lbs) California Baptist Paul Kelly - Poway, California: Champion (141 lbs) Sonny Kling - Canyon Springs, California: Champion (193 lbs) Remy Murillo - Canyon Springs, California: Fourth Place (135 lbs) Cal Poly Joe Buck - Clovis, California: Fourth Place (178 lbs) Eugenio Franco - Corona del Mar, California: Seventh Place (193 lbs) Jagger French - Del Oro, California: 2-2 (147 lbs) Carlos Garcia - Oakdale, California: 3-2 (178 lbs) Jake Honey - Bakersfield, California: Fifth Place (178 lbs) Anthony Lucio - Fountain Valley, California: 2-2 (129 lbs) Alek Van Bebber - Kingsburg, California: 3-2 (141 lbs) Hercules Windrath - Fountain Valley, California: 3-2 (141 lbs) Chadron State Mason Villwok - Elkhorn, Nebraska: 2-2 (193 lbs) Columbia Robert Platt - Poway, California: Runner-Up (218 lbs) Cornell Elijah Cortez - Gilroy, California: Champion (135 lbs) - Class of 2025 Isaiah Cortez - Gilroy, California: Champion (129 lbs) - Class of 2025 Cash Henderson - Woods Cross, Utah: Third Place (218 lbs) Illinois Ryan Bennett - St. Edward, Ohio: Champion (147 lbs) Lehigh Jadon Skellenger - Bishop Kelley, Idaho: Fourth Place (147 lbs) Mary Michael Murillo - Bakersfield, California: 2-2 (218 lbs) Maryland Abram Cline - Granite Hills, California: 2-2 (116 lbs) Michigan Brock Mantanona - Palm Desert, California: Champion (153 lbs) Missouri Mack Mauger - Blackfoot, Idaho: Seventh Place (123 lbs) Jace Roller - Bixby, Oklahoma: Sixth Place (141 lbs) Gage Walker - Bixby, Oklahoma: Third Place (129 lbs) NC State Daniel Zepeda - Gilroy, California: Fourth Place (152 lbs) - Class of 2025 North Carolina Beau Priest - Bakersfield, California: Fifth Place (160 lbs) - Class of 2025 Braden Priest - Bakersfield, California: 3-2 (153 lbs) - Class of 2025 Laird Root - Poway, California: Third Place (153 lbs) Northern Illinois Lucan O’Brien - St. Edward, Ohio: Sixth Place (147 lbs) Oklahoma Clay Giddens-Buttram- Bixby, Oklahoma: Fifth Place (168 lbs) Oklahoma State Ishmael Guerrero - Bixby, Oklahoma: Runner-Up (160 lbs) - Class of 2025 Cody Merrill - Gilroy, California: Champion (288 lbs) Oregon State Adrien Reyes - Clovis, California: Fourth Place (168 lbs) - Class of 2025 Pittsburgh Kade Brown - St. Edward, Ohio: Third Place (141 lbs) Princeton Diego Costa - Palm Desert, California: Fourth Place (193 lbs) Conor McCloskey - Buford, Georgia: 2-2 (193 lbs) - Class of 2025 Dale O’Blia - Mullen, Colorado: 3-2 (123 lbs) Purdue Isaiah Quintero - El Dorado, California: Champion (123 lbs) Rutgers Andrew Barbosa - Palm Desert, California: Champion (160 lbs) San Francisco State Antonio Aramburu - Corona del Mar, California: 3-2 (160 lbs) Stanford Grigor Cholakyan - St. John Bosco, California: Third Place (160 lbs) Collin Guffey - Granite Hills, California: Champion (168 lbs) Lars Michaelson - Bremerton, Washington: Fifth Place (193 lbs) EJ Parco - Los Gatos, California: Runner-Up (153 lbs) Angelo Posada - Poway, California: Champion (178 lbs) - Class of 2025 Edwin Sierra - Poway, California: Runner-Up (116 lbs) - Class of 2025 Virginia Adam Butler - St. Edward, Ohio: 3-2 (135 lbs) - Class of 2025 Virginia Tech Drew Gorman: Buford, Georgia: Runner-Up (141 lbs) - Class of 2025
    1 point
  46. Yellow_Medal
    You mean the countries where little girls are sold off as property/brides? Your critical thinking precedes you sir…I’ll take tolerance too.
    1 point
  47. Formally140
    I understand your point and don’t disagree necessarily. The issue lies in this There are multiple, not single “ehhh”/iffy cases, multiple cases where many people know something is up, or that a person shouldn’t be coaching/be around wresting. But that person has “powerful friends” or litigation could happen and it prevents the right things from being done. Or no one wants to believe.. and all that at least delays the right thing until it it becomes a ticking time bomb thet is going to eventually blow up, but everyone continues like it’s business as usual until it all crashes. Then afterwards, pretty everyone is like “yeah we heard/knew”. Do I have a point.. eh just that things/stories like this don’t come from nowhere and people are starting to get sick of them being ignored. Final point, both Willie/Rokfin and and Saylor/Flo are agreeing on something. That says a lot by itself
    1 point
  48. GreatWhiteNorth
    No. That's not what I was referring to. If there is anything illegal going on, it should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Not lynched. They shouldn't be "drawn and quartered" or murdered in any other fashion as per the above post. These people are innocent until proven guilty. They should have a voice to defend themselves in the event they have may have been falsely accused. I read through some of the stuff, I didn't see any clear proof of anything - just accusations. As terrible as child abuse is, I can't get behind murdering people due to unfounded accusations. Not tolerating even starting this thread? That falls under the category of free speech. Again, something that I believe 100% needs to be tolerated - free speech shouldn't be met with being "drawn and quartered." That is exactly how some non-western countries behave due to their intolerance. And it is abhorrent.
    1 point
  49. CHROMEBIRD
    Hopefully UNCo gets him some help and he learns something from this. He's no longer wrestling's problem, but could now be society's problem. The kid behaved like a psychopath.
    1 point
  50. Jim L
    The victim's status is clearly only mentioned to try to lessen the perceived severity of the crime. If he was a US citizen would the crime been worse? I also need to see a link before I really believe this story.
    1 point
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