BaldAt23 Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 source: https://www.voanews.com/a/olympics-row-deepens-as-35-countries-demand-ban-for-russia-belarus-/6958405.html I disagree, Russia should be at the Olympics despite the horrible things they have done 1
Cherkov Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 AZE is not banned. The main 3 of the Coalition of the willing were not banned.
LJB Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) if american athletes are not held responsible for their country's actions on the world stage, why should anyone else? Edited February 12, 2023 by LJB dummy 2
D3 for LU Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 Ban the bums... I don't care how good they are. Just ban 'em! D3 1 Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
MPhillips Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 5 hours ago, El Luchador said: A bunch of glass house living MF'ers. .
El Luchador Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 18 minutes ago, MPhillips said: He could be my dad's twin.
MPhillips Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 Archie never rooted for any, "pinko commies." 1 .
Wrestej Posted February 13, 2023 Posted February 13, 2023 I really don’t care about the other sports Russia is going to compete in but would be nice to have the wrestlers in the Olympics. Fun to watch them wrestle.
mspart Posted February 14, 2023 Posted February 14, 2023 It would be a shame to penalize athletes for the leader's conduct. But that is what they do. mspart
LJB Posted February 14, 2023 Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, mspart said: It would be a shame to penalize athletes for the leader's conduct. But that is what they do. mspart only some athletes have to worry about that... Nudge, Nudge, Wink, Wink, Say no more!
Mike Parrish Posted February 14, 2023 Posted February 14, 2023 After Sochi, see also the movie Icarus, I'm fine with them being banned for a couple of quads. 4
DocBB Posted February 14, 2023 Posted February 14, 2023 I'm generally against a sporting ban but If you are gonna ban Russia you sure as hell should be banning some other countries like China. 1
LJB Posted February 14, 2023 Posted February 14, 2023 i would not suggest holding your breath waiting for china to get sanctioned...
uncle bernard Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 if russia is banned, it should be for things related to athletic competition like doping. if this is the standard, then the US should never be allowed to compete again for what it's done across the middle east and latin america. the athletes have nothing to do with this. collective punishment is evil.
LJB Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 don't leave out the hand this country had in creating the current situation that has some of the best athletes on this planet banned from doing what they were born to do... 1
VakAttack Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 It's a little different because Russia is actively trying to annex parts or all of another country. That said, I would agree that penalizing the athletes for the conduct of the leader sucks; the counterargument being that the athletic organizing bodies don't really have the ability to affect Putin in anyway other than this, given his known love of sport. And yes we have blood on our hands (as a country) as well. Bottom line, I believe that there is some logic behind shunning a country currently engaged in extraterritorial wars trying to annex them in violation of international laws, and there is a difference in that vs. other military conflicts. I also think it's inherently unfair to the athletes involved. If forced to choose, I think the negative affect it has on Russia is marginal, and would side with letting the athletes compete. 1
RYou Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 They will likely prohibit a team medal count, the Russian flag and anthem, and relegate gold medals to the IOC flag with an inconsequential tune......if the athletes get lucky.
bnwtwg Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 @Husker_Du lurking and laughing maniacally knowing that he sent Waste Management to that big pinfall in the sky and has wrought international political strife throughout the board i am an idiot on the internet
GreenandGold Posted March 2, 2023 Posted March 2, 2023 On 2/15/2023 at 12:59 PM, uncle bernard said: if russia is banned, it should be for things related to athletic competition like doping. if this is the standard, then the US should never be allowed to compete again for what it's done across the middle east and latin america. the athletes have nothing to do with this. collective punishment is evil. I am all for Russian athletes being fully barred from competition. Not because of the war but that's the ban that should have occurred from the state sponsored doping instead of just banning the Russian flag.
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted March 2, 2023 Posted March 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, GreenandGold said: I am all for Russian athletes being fully barred from competition. Not because of the war but that's the ban that should have occurred from the state sponsored doping instead of just banning the Russian flag. Some might say "state MANDATED doping." BTW Putin uses the success of Russian athletes as a major component of his propaganda machine. 2
LJB Posted March 2, 2023 Posted March 2, 2023 i feel like i was listening to a one of the belaglasov brothers in an interview speaking about being given a handful of pills from their soviet coaches when he was first coming onto the scene... he asked one of the established wrestlers at the time what he should do with these... he was told throw them in the trash... all athletes are trying to do the same thing regardless of what country they had the fortune or misfortune to be born in... holding them accountable for their governments actions is not right in my book... should any US athlete be competing based on those standards?
scourge165 Posted March 4, 2023 Posted March 4, 2023 On 3/2/2023 at 11:16 AM, LJB said: i feel like i was listening to a one of the belaglasov brothers in an interview speaking about being given a handful of pills from their soviet coaches when he was first coming onto the scene... he asked one of the established wrestlers at the time what he should do with these... he was told throw them in the trash... all athletes are trying to do the same thing regardless of what country they had the fortune or misfortune to be born in... holding them accountable for their governments actions is not right in my book... should any US athlete be competing based on those standards? Haven't heard that, but I listened to Anatoly not long ago talk about his life Wresting and it was a great video. The "Wrestling Changed my Life" podcast. Spent a while talking about the difference in how they train in the US vs Russia. Actually said a lot of people in Russia don't take it as seriously because they don't have the funding behind them. It was a little difficult to understand exactly when he was talking about because he mentioned how some private businessmen have come in and sponsored Wrestlers, but Putin doesn't fund the Wrestlers as much as the Olympic Sports which he qualified as Track and Field and something else. There was a little lost in translation, but it was a great interview. Didn't listen his brothers. Maybe it's in that one. Reminded me a bit of the Brands brothers in how he talked about not being able to train with his brother beyond just drilling because it'd end up in fights. Said a few things that were counter to what American's think, but talked about the emphasis on technique over physical training vs America where it's the other way around and how it forced the Russians to change things a bit. The brother is probably overlooked a bit because of the boycotts. It's not quite the same as, but it hurt the athletes and did little to "punish" either Nation in '80 or '84. Just stole opportunities from guys like Kemp in the '80s and the Russians in '84. There are enough people caught up in Putin's actions. I don't see why the athletes...who haven't tested dirty shouldn't be allowed to compete. We actually agree. If you're going to police who can compete in the Olympics based on their Countries behavior, just crown everyone from Switzerland now. Those are your Olympic Champions.
Mike Parrish Posted March 4, 2023 Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, scourge165 said: I don't see why the athletes...who haven't tested dirty shouldn't be allowed to compete. I'm going to disagree here. The Sochi Olympics showcased an incontrovertible finding that the Russian state, not individual athletes or sports, conspired to violate WADA regulations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_Report WADA reports https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/20160718_ip_report_newfinal.pdf https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/mclaren_report_part_ii_2.pdf This system was systemic in Russian athletics and had a pervasive reach into all sports. That should be the "you don't compete for two quads" level penalty. Edited March 4, 2023 by Mike Parrish
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