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I'm better, but I wish I had his broker.3 points
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Most are probably there because of him and Nurmagomedov rolling back when he (Saldate) was in High School. It went something like this... - Nurmagomedov dominates Saldate - Nurmagomedov calls Cormier fat a bunch of times - Nurmagomedov locks his hands - Nurmagomedov throws him while he is in a guillotine. - Cormier begs Nurmagomedov to be nice. - Saldate cries a little. - Nurmagomedov chokes him out - RNC. - Cormier cries a little. - Saldate cries a lot. - Nurmagomedov punches him in the temple 50 times. - Saldate stops crying. - Nurmagomedov chokes him out - RNC. - Saldate starts making out with the mat. - More dome punches from Nurmagomedov. - Nurmagomedov helps Saldate up. - Nurmagomedov coddles a weeping Saldate. - Nurmagomedov and Saldate kiss and make up, share a beer. - Nurmagomedov talks a lot of crap to Cormier about beating up a teenager. All of it is here:3 points
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Per Flo... a few surprises and some not. https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/11545893-2023-cliff-keen-las-vegas-invitational-pre-seeds2 points
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Let's start with the questions: Will PSU break the all-time scoring record? In 1997 Dan Gable's Iowa team scored 170 points. But the scoring rules were different back then. Adjusted for today's advancement, placement, and bonus points the total would be 170.5. That is the easy adjustment. The more difficult adjustment is deciding what impact the 3 point TD might have had in 1997. My back of the envelope math puts it at +4.5 to +7 based on some assumptions about regular decisions that may have tipped to majors, and majors that may have become tech falls. The pinfalls remain the same. Now we have 175 to 177.5 as the new target for PSU. That means something like 55 to 57 bonus points. Hmmmm. Last year's team scored 19 bonus points (inserting Nagao for Bravo-Young) and would have scored 30 bonus points with the 3 point TD. Even with the additions this year I just cannot see it happening via the bonus point route. This is not a team of David Taylors. So to beat Iowa's point total (adjusted or otherwise) PSU will have to outperform their seeds. Yikes. Is this the year of parity? Stay with me here. OK, so let's ignore that PSU is looking to more than double the second place total for a minute. The #2 through #10 teams are separated by only 14.8 points. Any of combination of these nine teams (and probably more) could round out the podium positions. Which three will it be? Based on pre-season rankings Cornell would join Nebraska and Michigan. Now it looks like Michigan, NC State, and Nebraska. More shake ups to come. What will Iowa's lineup look like come the tournament and how will it impact the podium race? Right now Intermat has Kennedy at 174 and Arnold nowhere to be found. That seems likely to evolve as the season evolves. I have the feeling Arnold will be a factor somewhere, and with Iowa currently sitting in sixth position without him, they kind of feel like a podium team with him. With apologies to @MPhillips, is it too early to talk about Ohio State's vaunted recruiting classes of 2019 and 2022? With two #1 ranked recruiting classes hitting at the same time I was a bit surprised to not see then among the top 10. Where for art thou? They came in at 11 on my list. Notes: I am only using Intermat rankings this year. Because reasons. My projected points are based on the average points a given seed typically scores. Rather than assume that the one seed will score 20, I look at actual historical outcomes to account for the fact that sometimes the #1 seed does not win. In this way you can think of it as a probabilistic statement about points. On average a #1 seed only scores about 16.9 points. A lot, but not 20. This also means that wrestlers outside the top 8 get credit for some number of projected points.2 points
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The reason is that given five minutes to contain any questions, he can stammer and wax irrelevant till the time runs out and then a dimocrat can spread praise and glory on him for the next five minutes.2 points
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Boyd never threatened to score. Shooting from space without much of a setup. First period. Lovett hit a snap-down setup into an outside head single-leg. Elevated the single-leg and then had poor technique in an attempt to finish. Boyd didn't mule kick... rather kept his body squared, and his leg came free when Lovett switched from two arms on Boyd's leg to one arm on the leg and a long reach attempt to Boyd's head. Lovett seemingly could have shot in again as when he would change levels and fake step shot, Boyd didn't seem to respond. Second Period. Lovett stands up. Lovett hits the Granby as Boyd attempts a mat return and escapes. Lovett captures a front headlock off a lazy shot attempt from Boyd. Lovett switches to double underhooks as Boyd comes to his feet. Boyd backs away hard and clears the double under position after Lovett attempts an inside trip. The inside trip attempt was too late as Boyd had already backed out to an almost clear position. Third Period. Boyd picks neutral. Lovett took the first shot. Lovett slowly backs away throughout the final minute and is finally warned for stalling at the end of the period. Boyd could have been given a stalling point with 'activity' stall calls if done by the book. Lovett took one kind of legit shot and one sloppy shot. Boyd took three bad shots and two almost shots. I have no problems with the no-call, given Boyd's overall lack of engagement in the first two periods... and he never engaged aggressively, even when trailing, even when shooting.2 points
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I'm not sure if Anthony scores many points, but I'm guessing he's a better option than Voinovich at this point2 points
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Penn RTC website doesn't say he was a world team member it says National team. Rich never made a world team. The top 3 guys at each weight are on the national team and all attend team training camp2 points
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Obama doesn’t believe you. He’s spent millions on two oceanfront properties since leaving the White House. He doesn’t believe you and neither do I.1 point
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Gabriel Arnold @Gabe174Arnold You da man Willie and I got tons of love for ya, but 184 was only a one time thing…I’m 5’7 bro1 point
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If we are going off the way it should be gone off of - with the victors writing the books, then it was a flop that Sta(l)rocci 100% anticipated and stuck him with. I believe Sta(l)rocci even eluded to him anticipating that.1 point
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This week's NCAA DI rankings have been updated and posted. With the Thanksgiving holiday, there were only a handful of duals or events that impacted rankings. One of which was the All-Star Classic. Last season, InterMat did not factor those results into rankings. We've made the decision to count those matches going forward. With that in mind, you'll see some shuffling at 125 lbs, with a new number one. 125 also have plenty of other changes and will likely to have them as it's one of the deepest weights in the country. For the full rankings, Click Here1 point
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Username is already taken. I was going to actually make it and it won't let me because it already exists.1 point
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I'm literally not coming out of the house until the climate crisis is solved. i'm paralyzed with fear over the future of this planet. also this:1 point
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I agree with you 1000% here. I don’t want Folkstyle to get as bad in terms of chasing shiny things with rule changes is my point.1 point
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This just in. I read the wrong post on HR (blcoach80 is not his dad ao_coachpil is). His dad thinks he is too small for 184 and gave him a B- for his match yesterday. Changing my username to wrestlehashisheaduphisass1 point
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For what it is worth, I just read Arnold's father's comment on HR saying he thinks his son should go 184.1 point
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If I were Bloomsburg I would be trying to bring Rich Perry in, he’s a world team member , alum that won over 100 matches 4x ncaa qualifier lost in R12 and was the captain of the last winning Bloomsburg team..he’s only 2 hrs away right now on the penn RTC staff , he may not be the biggest name but guys like Jordan Burroughs arent coaching at Bloomsburg or sacred heart anytime soon1 point
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I'm telling you life will move forward, energy sources will change AND you will not lose heat to your house. Anyway, is this most definitely not a reason to deny climate change.1 point
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Oops, missed that. Looking at it again, they put that note in between 86 and 97. I was just looking at 97. Thanks for the correction. I guess we won't see him at US Nats. mspart1 point
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The other way to look at it is that Iowa got at least 1 takedown in 6 matches, and Iowa State in 5. Even in the matches where they were outgunned, like 165 and 285, they were still working and taking shots. Gaitan likely gets teched if Kennedy isn't coming off injury, he's not typically a gasser. Even at 133, Teske was attacking and taking shots....he's just not that great, especially at 133.1 point
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A big part of Iowa States takedown advantage was David Carr and Yonger Batista who wrestled the two more overmatched opponents of the night. Iowa didn't really face any individuals that they were capable of running up the score on. Kennedy tried and ended up fading.1 point
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The Cy-Hawk dual is in the books and just like the past 18 times, the 2023 version fell in Iowa’s favor. Despite losing a handful of key contributors in the offseason, Iowa managed to put together an impressive lineup with the help of the transfer portal, the recruiting trail, and in-room progression. With the dual still fresh in our minds, here are some important reactions to the action that went down in Ames on Sunday afternoon. 1. Tom Brands - Strategist When fans think of Tom Brands as a coach, I’m sure that most will think of his motivational tactics or training methods. Those attributes might be accurate and some of his strong points, as a coach; however, something that doesn’t get mentioned often are his prematch and in-match strategic decisions. In his post-match interview, Gabe Arnold revealed that Brands asked him on Saturday if he’d be willing to wrestle at 184 lbs against Iowa State. We all know how that turned out as Arnold took out his second All-American in as many weeks (up a weight, to boot). With Arnold up at 184 lbs, that opened a slot at 174 lbs for Patrick Kennedy, who had yet to compete during the 2023-24 campaign. Kennedy may have come out before he was actually ready, but nonetheless, he got the job done and won a pivotal bout for the Hawkeyes. It takes a lot of guts and belief in your wrestlers, particularly a true freshman to make this type of a lineup swap. Typically, it isn’t done at the collegiate level. Had it backfired and MJ Gaitan completed his comeback against Kennedy and All-American Will Feldkamp prevailed against Arnold, I’m sure many people would have questioned Brands’ move. In the days leading up to the dual, our own Willie Saylor and others were wondering aloud whether Brands and Iowa State’s Kevin Dresser would do some of thing bumping to find optimal matchups. I wasn’t sure just because of the fact that we haven’t seen it much during Brands’ tenure in Iowa City. Now, the reason for that is partly because Iowa’s best/normal lineup is typically better than 98% of their opponents. In most cases, a lineup tweak either isn’t needed or might end up benefiting the other squad. A bit of luck plays into these situations, as well. A team has to have depth at a potential weak spot (or two) for the opponents to really pull this off. As Willie was speculating on possible lineup bumping scenarios, would it have been beneficial for Iowa State to insert true freshman Tate Naaktgeboren at 184 lbs and move Feldkamp to 197? Arnold and Naaktgeboren squared off in the Iowa 3A state finals last season (and a couple other times) and the result was always razor-thin but in Arnold’s favor. That still gives three points to the Hawkeyes, but would it have increased the Cyclone's chances at 197? Feldkamp against Zach Glazier? Feldkamp is tall and long and has made the national tournament at 197 lbs, so size would have favored Glazier, but just slightly. After watching the actual action, I’m not sure if that would have made a difference. But those are the questions the Iowa State bench is left to ponder after letting a big opportunity like this slide by. Lineup decisions, plus as Dresser discussed in his press conference, the decision to tell Gaitan to ride Kennedy for the final :14 instead of kicking him away for the winning takedown (while mixing up who had riding time), and potential brick usage at 141 lbs are factors that gave the coaching edge to Brands and the Iowa sideline on Sunday afternoon. 2. Freshmen Are Ready Some of the debate surrounding takedowns, the hand touch rule, lineups, and brick usage obscured the fact that we saw some excellent performances from freshmen on Sunday. Arnold being the obvious one, with a huge win over a returning All-American, up a weight. The Iowa braintrust has a decision to make (not immediately) about 174 lbs. Patrick Kennedy is a returning Big Ten finalist and someone who can contend for the podium at that weight once he’s fully healthy and in-shape to wrestle seven-plus minutes. Arnold has already shown that he could be a high-finisher at the weight, perhaps with more upside. To make things more complicated, it appears as if Brennan Swafford won’t be available for an extended period, if at all, for the remainder of the season. Do you proceed with a lineup that features Kennedy at 174 and an undersized, but extremely talented Arnold at 184? Do you keep Arnold in redshirt and proceed with Kennedy at 174? What about Arnold at 174 and Kennedy or someone else at 184? In the highest levels of DI wrestling (with redshirts available - not the Ivy League), you don’t typically see a true freshman wrestle up a weight, when he could be the better option at his optimal weight. Wrestling can be a selfish endeavor. Many times, the answer is to start the best option (Arnold?) and let everything else sort itself out. These are some interesting decisions that will face Iowa in the coming weeks. Aside from Arnold, there were still other impressive showings from freshmen. At 133 lbs, Evan Frost took out a past Big 12 champion (Brody Teske) with a third-period takedown and a tilt. In many people’s eyes, Frost wasn’t even penciled in as the Cyclones preseason starter, it was fellow redshirt freshman Garrett Grice, an offseason transfer from Virginia. Frost won the intrasquad bout between the two and hasn’t looked back. A win like his over Teske will buy him even more time in the lineup. At 157 lbs, the Cyclones Cody Chittum had one of the more difficult matchups of the dual with second-ranked Jared Franek, a returning NCAA fourth-place finisher. The battle-tested Chittum never looked out of place and nearly pulled off a stunner, spinning behind Franek hundredths of a second after the final horn sounded. While it’s a loss on the stat sheet, it could be a win in the long run. Nearly knocking off a wrestler of Franek’s caliber in only your third collegiate match should do wonders for Chittum’s confidence. While not technically a freshman, Anthony Echemendia is also a new face on the collegiate season and a welcome addition to the 141 lb weight class. Echemendia wrestled a smart match on his feet; holding position, drawing stall calls, and limiting Real Woods’ offense. He and the Cyclone staff wisely chose not to go underneath Woods. As Echemendia competes more, we’ll see just how much his mat-game has improved. If he can get out from solid, but not great riders, he could be a contender at the weight. 3. Another heavyweight contender? Speaking of new contenders, I think we have one at 285 lbs. Calling a guy ranked seventh at a weight class a contender isn’t a stretch, I realize that, but there are levels to it. Are they a true title contender? A sure bet to make the podium? A possible low-podium threat? Yonger Bastida moved up to 285 lbs in the offseason, so it’s hard to project just how someone fits in making that particular jump. The eyeball test says that Bastida shouldn’t be overmatched physically by the field. The days of heavyweights like Cole Konrad, bulky 6’6”-ish and 280 lbs monsters, are not currently “in.” Now, the top big men are in the 235-260 lb range. Many of them grew up wrestling a smaller weight and have grown into the weight class. They possess offensive abilities that few big men of yesteryear can fathom. Your top-three guys at the weight all fit the bill here. Greg Kerkvliet, Wyatt Hendrickson, and Lucas Davison. Does Bastida belong in that conversation? Obviously, a major decision over redshirt freshman Bradley Hill doesn’t necessarily mean you’re in the top-four nationally. Again, the eyeball test says that his offensive arsenal could present problems for a handful of wrestlers currently ranked above him. Now, through four matches, Bastida has posted 81 points in only four matches. Pumping the brakes ever so slightly on the Bastida bandwagon, he’s only beaten one ranked wrestler in those four contests; #25 Daniel Bucknavich (Cleveland State); however, it’s still quite a number. The next couple of weeks should give a better idea as to where exactly Bastida belongs in the pecking order at 285 lbs. At the Collegiate Duals, all three of his projected opponents are ranked. Two of them are in the top-21 with #11 Dayton Pitzer (Pittsburgh) and #21 Lewis Fernandes (Cornell). Pitzer is one of those wrestlers still growing into a heavyweight’s body, but is mega-talented. Fernandes and Bastida met at the 2022 Collegiate Duals, when Bastida bumped up from 197 lbs. As a 197 lber, he won 4-2. Does he widen the gap as a heavyweight? Right after the New Year, Iowa State is slated to meet Arizona State, which means a possible match with Greco world teamer #4 Cohlton Schultz. Schultz presents a different challenge from Kerkvliet, Hendrickson, and Davison. He’s more tactical and deliberate. Hand-fighting and positioning will be at a premium. Let’s revisit this discussion after January 5th. 4. 125 is bananas So far, the weight class that I’ve dedicated the most time to studying, from a rankings perspective, is 125 lbs. In less than a month, we’ve already had two different wrestlers hold the number one ranking (Matt Ramos - Purdue and Anthony Noto - Lock Haven). Of course, Ramos also defeated Noto by a major decision at the All-Star Classic. The wrestler who may even be considered the favorite, Richie Figueroa (Arizona State), has yet to take the mat this season. Going beyond the top couple of contenders, this weight is loaded with talent. As we saw on Sunday, #17 Drake Ayala (Iowa) took out #8 Kysen Terukina (Iowa State) in a 7-1 match. That score might even be deceiving in that Ayala left a takedown or two on the board. Over in the other dual that took place Sunday afternoon, two-time All-American Patrick McKee (Minnesota) fell to unbeaten Tanner Jordan (South Dakota State) in a wild bout. A week ago, Ayala fell to Oregon State’s Brandon Kaylor. Terukina had his way with two-time All-American Eric Barnett (Wisconsin). This was after Kaylor was shut down by North Carolina’s Spencer Moore on the opening day of the regular season. Going even further, 2023 All-American Eddie Ventresca (Virginia Tech) already has five losses. The #31st seed at 133 lbs for the 2023 NCAA Tournament, Jack Maida (American), has dropped down and beaten Ventresca and 2023 bloodround finisher Braxton Brown (Maryland); who has subsequently moved to 133. It’s enough to make your head spin. I imagine this weight class will get crazy in Las Vegas at the Cliff Keen Invitational. Half of the top-20 are scheduled to appear. More than any other weight, I could see a semifinal that includes the number one and the #12 seed meeting up top, while say, #7 and #11 meet on the bottom. I don’t see it sorting itself out either. There are too many good wrestlers that will likely beat up on each other and make the weight totally unpredictable.1 point
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Which is precisely why there should be an independent review team. I understand not doing it for duals, because that is a lot of extra overhead, but for large tournaments. On the international level you see it. It keeps refs honest. Edit: If it is one thing aside for Dresser getting completely outcoached that we all can agree on, I think it is that the refs last night were not honest. How does Iowa outpace Iowa State in takedowns yet get called twelve times for stalling where Iowa State got zero calls? Please refer to the Carr-Caliendo match for example. Caliendo first got called for stalling while he was actively attempting to circle, set up a shot, and shoot... WHILE SHOOTING!1 point
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Correct. His argument doesn’t really make any sense under the circumstances (incredibly close call based on reaction time that wins the match against number one ranked guy if reversed). And his sub-argument about the lung break was exactly wrong based on others' immediate and firm reaction. Burroughs very clearly and forcefully said that they should challenge because Echemendia was gassed from the flurry, and Woods obviously saw it too because he shot on the whistle when OT started. Combine this with the brain fart at 174 (I can't picture Tom Brands not knowing the score and the riding time of a match in the final seconds, nor do I think he would have failed to challenge at 141 if the roles were reversed) and Coach Orange had a very bad day. He said in his press conference that everything had gone against them, but they were the ones who screwed up, whereas Iowa lost two AAs and a seasoned starter to the vagaries of the NCAA, made a canny move at 174/184, and got the job done on a day that many thought a torch would be passed.1 point
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Criteria question - he is not really behind the shoulder and doesn't control hips or legs. Factor?1 point
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I don’t think Echemendia had the TD. End of Chittum was reviewed. What other situation would’ve made a difference to challenge?1 point
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I wanted to see Iowa state win so bad. Without Cassioppi and Brands Iowa gets it done. Hats off to them, they came more prepared and more war ready.1 point
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Part of this conversation might potentially benefit from discussing which schools do and don’t care about their wrestling programs. Hate to say it, but it often feels like if wrestling programs aren’t actively adding to the reputation of their respective schools they start running the risk of being shut down. Doesn’t help that wrestlers tend to be a rowdy bunch who don’t always pay the most attention to their schoolwork.1 point
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I’ll be quite happy if they finish close to this. Very young team, we saw how they performed against VT, now let’s see how they perform against quality wrestlers in a tournament format. Most intrigued to see where Geog finishes.1 point
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