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In their 30 seconds of MN/SDSU coverage, Pyles just said that SDSU almost pulled an upset, yet every rating service (Flo, Coaches poll, Intermat, MatScouts crystal ball) has SDSU higher than Minnesota. He then says if Berge and Carlson wrestle it would be different, although Berge and Carlson both lost to the guys who went for Minnesota (Salazar and VomBaur) yesterday. Minnesota had 5 guys transfer that are starting for other D1 programs (Spratley, Jamison, Polanco, Kluever, Carlson) and yet they are still a solid team that doesn't get much media coverage. At least CP didn't go into his "Fargo" accent when talking about Minnesota, like he usually does.

1) it devalues the escape, which is appropriate. 2) if undermines the incentive to ride if you can't turn without ditching riding time 3) it makes the late match scenario where guys sprint for a major much more common, improving dual meets.

Correct. His argument doesn’t really make any sense under the circumstances (incredibly close call based on reaction time that wins the match against number one ranked guy if reversed). And his sub-argument about the lung break was exactly wrong based on others' immediate and firm reaction. Burroughs very clearly and forcefully said that they should challenge because Echemendia was gassed from the flurry, and Woods obviously saw it too because he shot on the whistle when OT started. Combine this with the brain fart at 174 (I can't picture Tom Brands not knowing the score and the riding time of a match in the final seconds, nor do I think he would have failed to challenge at 141 if the roles were reversed) and Coach Orange had a very bad day. He said in his press conference that everything had gone against them, but they were the ones who screwed up, whereas Iowa lost two AAs and a seasoned starter to the vagaries of the NCAA, made a canny move at 174/184, and got the job done on a day that many thought a torch would be passed.

Wrestle Kennedy at 184. This obsession with redshirting guys right away is dumb. He can do well now, wrestle him, he can redshirt later if he gets hurt. Guys are proving to do worse with age. Minnesota wrestled 157 pounder Matt Nagle at 184 in 2003, then he dropped to 157 the next year. Matt Pell AA’d at 184, to drop to 165 the next 2 seasons. I think Kennedy can be rd of 12-16 at 184.

By that logic you should make takedowns worth zero so no one is afraid to try for one.

For what it is worth, I just read Arnold's father's comment on HR saying he thinks his son should go 184.

is man made climate change real because you said so?

TV Schedule Thursday Bellarmine vs Lindenwood: ESPN+ Friday Iowa vs Penn: ESPN+ CKLV: Flo Rutgers vs Edinboro: Flo Oklahoma vs Missouri: Flo Saturday CKLV: Flo Kent State vs Gardner-Webb: ESPN+ Davidson vs George Mason: ESPN+ Cleveland State vs George Mason: ESPN+ Buffalo vs Gardner-Webb: ESPN+ Davidson vs American: ESPN+ Sunday: Indiana vs Princeton: ESPN+ Oklahoma vs West Virginia: ESPN+ Bucknell vs Wisconsin 2PM: BTN+ Illinois vs Pittsburgh: ACCNX Patriot Open at George Mason: Flo

And then it goes away. Simple. But if it is useful to most (or enough) people and commercially viable, it will stay in the marketplace of ideas. Again, simple. That's called Free Enterprise. A product with no value disappears or never becomes a thing. mspart

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

After my Keuter prediction I am henceforth doubling down on all bad takes. No way I could ever be wrong.

All due respect, you didnt ask who i thought WOULD take the job. You asked who I'd prefer to take it.

That’s the tough part of MN wrestling SDSU it’s a lose lose scenario. MN just beat a really talented SDSU team and they will receive zero credit for it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I’d argue the opposite, when is the last time you heard of a big name wrestler or even an AA level guy fail out of school or be held out of matches for grades ? Happens every year in football, basketball , baseball and I can’t think of one example really, maybe Teasedale when he was at PSU but I don’t think he was even in school for a full year and he was redshirting , guaranteed the wrestling team has a higher GPA than most sports at most schools

It’s point inflation just like 4 point near falls. Just my opinion. I am old.

I think the td:esc ratio is better now. I expected it to generate urgency but haven't seen it.

Big fan. I do think we should change majors to a 10 point differential seeing how just one move (Takedown + 4 nearfall) can get you nearly all the way to bonus point territory. We also might need to rethink techfall barriers at some point, idk. Carr definitely majored Caliendo today and demonstrated he was several levels above. I was surprised, however, to see how quickly and how close he got to a techfall because in my totally unbiased eyes Caliendo wrestled really tough while being totally outwrestled (if that makes sense). I didn't feel like I was watching a techfall take place but maybe I should get my eyes checked.

Check the video a couple posts up. I agree with no TD, but it’s awfully close

I think this shows me Buffalo is not capable of being on the scene like Bloomsburg has done before.

CKLV team entrants and Wrestlestats ratings as of Nov. 22: Some Notables: 125 - #1 Ramos, #2 Camacho, #3 Figueroa, #8 DeAugustino, #11 Smith, #12 Terukina, #13 Ungar, #19 McCrone, #20 Sotelo, #22 Volk, #21 Babin, , #24 Kaylor, #26 Ventresca, #25 Owens, 133 - #2 Vito, #3 Fix, #5 Latona, #6 Orine, #7 Cannon, #10 Zaccone, #11 Chlebove, #12 Rini, #13 Ferretti, #14 Brown, #15 Bouzakis, #16 Frost, #17 Whisenhut, #18 Zaccone, #22 Cardinal, #28 Cheblove, #31 Brown. 141 - #4 McNeil, #5 Mendez, #6 Hardy, #8 Jack, #9 Happel, #11 Ulrey, #12 Koderhandt, #15 Cornell, #18 Miller, #20 Tal Shahar. 149 - #1 Lovett, #2Henson, #4 Parco, #5 Lamer, #6 Arrington, #7 D'Emilio, #9 Willochel, #11Kinner, #13 Abas #16 Swiderski, #20 Miller, #21 Williams. 157 - #3 Robb, #9 Teemer, #4 Andonian, #5 Blaze, #11 Lewan, #7 Scott, #10 Cardenas, #16 Paddy #12 Chumbley, #22 Swenson, #23 Akey, #19 Kellar, #28 Shapiro. 165 - #2 Carr, #3 Amine, #8 Olejnik, #5 Ramirez, #9 Olguin, #11 Taylor, #18 Cook, #19 Hepner, #20 Thompson, #34 Brady. 174 - #12 Lewis, #3 Griffith, #4 Kharchla, #9 Devos, #15 Gaitan, #16 Wittlake, #17 Conigliaro, #20 Wolak. 184- #1 Keck, #2 Foca, #3 Munoz, #5 Feldkamp, #6 Plott, #8 Pinto, #9 Key, #12 Hoffman, #16 Fisher, #18 Kane, #20 Berge, #22 Fishback, 197- #2 Hidlay, #3 Sloan, #7 Allred, # Cardenas, #9 Smith, #10 Surber, #15 Hopkins, #18 Bockman, #19 Stemmet, #21 Smith, #22 Geog, #30 Shaw. 285 - #2 Hendrickson, #4 Schultz, #5 Davison, #7 Bastida, #8 Feldman, #9 Trepham, #13 Ghadiali, #14 Griess, #17 Kluever, #18 Gordon, #19 Doucet, #20 Day. Probably don't get Hendrickson, Schultz, Mekhi and some others.

I'm wondering if coaches will start teaching more throws since you can get 7 points off of one good one. The odds of going feet to back off of a TD is much less likely. Most coaches seem to think throws are risky but when they present themselves they are actually not very risky and they have tremendous reward especially with the new rule set. Nothing easier than a perfectly timed and executed lat drop.

The legislative branch of the government has been shut down for a week and a half, or didn’t they tell you.

Maybe @TNwrestling edited his post but Nahshon lives in Pa (training at Lehigh RTC)

The other way to look at it is that Iowa got at least 1 takedown in 6 matches, and Iowa State in 5. Even in the matches where they were outgunned, like 165 and 285, they were still working and taking shots. Gaitan likely gets teched if Kennedy isn't coming off injury, he's not typically a gasser. Even at 133, Teske was attacking and taking shots....he's just not that great, especially at 133.

Read the stalling rule and that is the template that guides how you on how to "smart stall." It's a rather simple plan. Get ahead, stay ahead, get your hand raised. Wrestle within the rules. For the fella who "lost all sorts of matches in many different ways," all I can say is that perhaps you could have benefitted from the smart stalling strategy, unless you were never ahead. And you are correct, I should have explicitly stated that no one should be smart enough to manipulate the rules to their advantage to beat an opponent who isn't as gifted mentally. I was never bitter when I've lost, I was mostly livid....I was only bitter that I didn't wrestle smarter. Actually, the rule changes are the gradual continuation of eliminating folkstyle and transitioning to freestyle. Bummer.

Other way around. Iowa had 11 TDs to Iowa State's 15. While I agree that the first Caliendo stall was suspect, I also agree that Iowa was well deserving of their big lead in stalling. Should it have been 11-0? 10-2? Not sure it really matters. Brands found a way to win when his team averaged 1.2 stalls per match and only 1.1 TDs per match. How often does a team get more stalls than TDs and still win? Call it a great coaching job by Brands. Call it a poor coaching job by Dresser. Or a little from column A and a little from column B.

Duals now have video review so we don't need more cameras, but 3 people sitting somewhere together to review and the ability to communicate with them and stream them the replays. Most venues have internet so my question is what is the actual cost to try and have independent reviews? Why couldn't the same 3 guys do all of the NCAA D1 duals from an offsite location? Yes, there would be some overlap but not many reviews happen at the exact same time. It would also provide some consistency if the same 3 officials (probably more to rotate but still a smaller number) were reviewing most questionable calls. Would eliminating the 2nd ref offset these cost? And does it really matter if some schools/conference can't afford to participate in a joint 3rd party review system, it wouldn't be a competitive disadvantage to the participates any more than someone getting screwed by a bad call now? To be clear, I agree with your position on independent reviews and I probably don't understand the entire cost necessary, but it seems possible, if there was a real desire to solve the problem.

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Fickle bunch...

Has anyone in here said Iowa State yet? Tom and Terry ran circles around Dresser yesterday.

Don't remember if anything in 2nd period or if timeclock issues. It was Woods/Echemendia where they stopped it with 1 second though if that's what you're thinking of

Which is precisely why there should be an independent review team. I understand not doing it for duals, because that is a lot of extra overhead, but for large tournaments. On the international level you see it. It keeps refs honest. Edit: If it is one thing aside for Dresser getting completely outcoached that we all can agree on, I think it is that the refs last night were not honest. How does Iowa outpace Iowa State in takedowns yet get called twelve times for stalling where Iowa State got zero calls? Please refer to the Carr-Caliendo match for example. Caliendo first got called for stalling while he was actively attempting to circle, set up a shot, and shoot... WHILE SHOOTING!

TLDR. I just wanted to come in and say that regardless of what my vote might have been for before, after last night I don't see a way the vote isn't Tom and Terry. They just outcoached the shit out of Dresser and it wasn't even close. The running them for Iowa State last night was this... 141 - Dresser: Year I messed up there. 157 - Dresser: Yeah I messed up there. 174 - Dresser: Yeah I messed up there. 184 - Dresser: Yeah I messed up there. 197 - Dresser: Yeah I messed up there. Five matches, or 5/10 where he dropped the ball as the HC. I am curious if they consider swapping Broderson and Feldkamp at this point for some duals, because Broderson at 197 did not want to be there against a Fringe T24 type guy in Glazier. What do you think he is going to do against the brutes of 197 in Hidlay, Beard, Brooks, Poznanski, Surber, Smith, Joles, Allred, etc... or the guys that are so much longer in Elam, Sloan, Shaw, Cardenas, etc?

But he probably beats Glazier on paper, and they didn't even try.

You can argue that, and I respect that approach and hope it is a massive wave of change that is underway, but if you've spent 13 years wrestling and around wrestlers at all levels from peewee through 4 years of college, I would be surprised if you would continue to make this argument. There are absolutely pockets and teams that do not tolerate this behavior, but we are talking about the average school with the average college wrestlers. 1) No college sport gets in the way of studying and being a good student more than wrestling. Trying to study for a test while cutting 10+ pounds at the same time has diminishing returns. It can be done, but by definition you are not getting the most out of yourself in one when you have to focus on the other. 2) Few college sports are as physically and mentally extreme as wrestling. When that is your standard for normal, it leads to some rowdy behavior outside the season, both bc it doesn't seem normal, and bc wrestlers have so much pent up after the season, a lot of it has to come out, and it does in ridiculous ways. There is nothing wrong with either of these in a vacuum. The problem comes in when comparing a wrestlers reality to the expectations universities lay over their low-income programs. If wrestling landed each school fat TV contracts and netted millions per year, this would magically cease to be a concern. But for the average program, aka the fringe, might be here in 10 years might get ODU'd program, it is a reality and a real concern.

How come nobody is discussing the big issue here? SDSU has three guys named Tanner in their starting lineup? I'll be the one brave enough to ask - what's happening in Brookings?

^^^ looks like common ground to wait for confirmation.

What took so long?

Arnold is very put together but I wonder in matches where pace, conditioning and guys who actually shoot and require real defense against will be like. I also wonder how his bottom game actually is. I'm not saying that Starocci can't be beat or Keckeisen can't be, if he moves up to 184 for the good of the team, but those guys have motors unlike anyone else and are of a completely different caliber than what he's wrestled so far.

4xer? Future Hawkeye Head Coach? Future Hawkeye AD? Is it too soon?

Here are a couple of my thoughts: If this match were at Iowa and Iowa st. Wrestlers were as "passive" as the Iowa wrestlers. There would have about 30 stall calls during the match. A supposed #1/#2 wrestling a mid teen ranked wrestler should be considerably more dominant in their win. That doesn't mean the match can't be close in score but it should never be in doubt. Brands talked about going out there and scoring points but maybe he should give that speech to his wrestlers. You'd think the team would have the same style/aggressiveness as the coach but that is definitely not the case. The Iowa State coaches did not corner coach well. Dresser did not utilize the tools available to him to the benefit of his wrestlers. Whether a challenge is successful or not is sometimes immaterial if it creates other benefit to your guy.

Thanks, and woof that’s brutal wording. I almost feel bad for the refs, they are put in some tough spots having to create and manage expectations for what stalling and reaction time are on their mats.

this looks pretty damning if reaction time didn't exist. Rewatching it like a million times on video replay, Woods rolls and catches a leg right after this still. It's definitely close though. Way too close.

Here is the Chittum replay

Gabe wrestled Greta against Feldkamp and came up clutch but he looked undersized. Wrestle him at 174 (his ideal weight) or redshirt him is my opinion.

Washington has done well at Indiana. He went from a zero-time state champ to being a very solid D1/B1G wrestler. He could absolutely be a r12 guy this year and maybe even find a way on the podium. I wish this would help some recruits see some light at Indiana and Coach Escobedo could finally land the next generation of Hoosiers that will open more doors for him. That being said, as painful as the end of the Goldman era was, he still put his guys on the podium and even sent a few to the national finals...three times they won. Like everyone else, I think Escobedo is the sort of man I would want my own kid to wrestle for, but sadly am starting to lose hope again

can you seriously not understand how stupid the quote in the tweet is? take a glass of water that’s 97% full (this is Earth’s natural emissions pre-industrial revolution). then pour another 3% in so that the glass is filled to the brim and starting to spill over (this is the added human emissions post industrial revolution). the 97% DOES impact climate change. it’s the increased human emissions on top of this baseline normal emissions that is slowly raising average temps.