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It does predate it. https://web.archive.org/web/20040625203630/http://www.thematforums.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=32219 Mugatu in 2004. I really enjoyed the Smarty Jones era

It is many different people and likely predates the last website iteration. GuillermoBilletas has the earliest college post found in March 2013. i really enjoyed the Rutgers era DF has the earliest international post found in September 2013. I really enjoyed the olympic wrestling era

Definitely a JTTS era from the old board.

Wasn't there even an I really enjoyed the I really enjoyed the ___________ era era?

@Dark Energy asked "what about The Other Guys?" in the Big Board Big Boys thread. And he wasn't talking about Allen "Gator" Gamble and Terry "The Yankee Clipper" Hoitz. He was talking about the teams that do well recruiting outside of The Big Board Top 20. But before we get into that, a shout out to The Brain, @Husker_Du, for setting me up with a better, more complete, and higher quality, consistent data set for The BB. He was kind enough to fill in the blanks for me and replace the years Flo attempted to replicate his Brain, with his actual Brain. So now there are little bits of Willie all over these rankings. Read on if you dare. Breaking down The Big Board into groups of 20 and merging it with the AA data we get the following Kings of the Quintiles below the first quintile. Northwestern and Missouri have done the best mining the wrestlers ranked 21 - 100 (plus and honorable mention) with 14 AA's from those ranks over the past 10 recruiting classes (2013 - 2022). However, it has been a struggle to keep these guys, as Eierman, Rivera and Micic all transferred. The other teams with double digit AA success are Virginia Tech and NC State. As expected there are not a huge number of NCAA winners from these quintiles, but there aren't none. The deed has been done five times. Nino Bonaccorsi at #30, Max Dean at #74 and Ryan Deakin at #97 we know about. But there was also Darian Cruz (#37), and Seth Gross (#47).

Anyone else think UB might be a bot? He simply repeats the same thing over & over but finds a few different words or video links to support his programed response - uncle bot

The Clarion Open gave us a look at a number of phenomenal young talents with Blaze over Forrest...then Ramos...grabbing our attention (understandably). But did anyone notice Brandon Cannon (tOSU 141 true frosh)? Cannon missed half his high school career while battling cancer but he was a phenom early in his career and the time off doesn't seem to have had too much effect. He was a tough out for Mendez in the wrestleoff and he ran through the field en route to the finals yesterday at Clarion where he'd have faced Mendez again. Instead they agreed to no contest. One of the sharper guys on Ohiowrestling.net posted this reminder about Cannon: " Freshman year. Beast of the east champ over a tough field that included one of the top recruits in his class in Marc Anthony McGowan. Then health issues occurred where he could barely walk and lost 20 pounds and nearly didn’t survive. He took off 22 months of wrestling during a crucial time in his development. Senior year wrestles Ironman in a very very deep bracket and had the 13 seed and tough draw. Tech falls Ohio division 2 state champ. Beats number 4 ranked mason convincingly. Beats Bouzakis convincingly. Beats number one Bailey and only loses a one point decesion to kannon Webster. Wrestled four straight top 7 nationally ranked kids. The same Webster who defeated mendes this past offseason. Of course you want to see him prove it at the college level in opens but his body of evidence is that he is a very elite wrestler and probably has more upside than any other recruit bc he didn’t wrestle half his high school career." When I watched him yesterday, he reminded me of, well, Blaze. Doesn't look like much but he has excellent technique and his pace and pressure tends to wear down opponents including the #2 seed whom he defeated rather easily.

I'll triple confirm it was JTTS on the old old old old board.

I was talking to a college coach today and he told me he loves those threads. personally, i'm not big on them. rubs me wrong. but admit they're pretty funny.

Now we want the left wing nut job teachers to indoctrinate the kids with their financial opinions? Wow! You sure are putting a lot on the teacher that you don't even trust with choosing appropriate books.

I see what the OP is saying here. The fanbase has repeatedly anointed YD as the next American great, based on his results leading into his Senior level career. I don't think those people were exactly making a stretch on their hopes, but I also don't think the OP should be blasted for pointing out YD's senior level results either. It's not like his dad is on here going on and on and on about how YD walks on water and that USAW should be clearing the way for his kid. That said, I think all of this goes to show just how freaking tough it is out on that Senior circuit to consistently make national teams, let alone earn medals. That's no slight against young John, and even he knows that nothing is a given for what he hopes to accomplish. Musukaev sure as heck isn't getting any worse. I, for one, hope he does win some World/Olympic golds, as he works his @$$ off, and is a really good dude to boot. #TeamYianniD

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Its not the same society as it was when people try to make the 'personal responsibility' argument. But they never acknowledge that. Why is that never taken into account? Cost of housing, education, and many goods/services were a much lower % of income. Lowest tiered employees made a wage that could afford all that stuff. Often times with just one income in a household. Jump ahead to today.(doodly doo, doodly doo) Lowest tiered workers are in 'Right to Work' states and can be fired for even considering asking for a higher wage(or being LGBTQ+ or athiest or any different religion or for ANY REASON WHATSOEVER). Wages have not risen at near the rate of inflation for years and years. So they are essentially paid less and less each year while having to pay more and more for the things they need to live. More and more people are paycheck to paycheck with less and less saved or, heaven for bid, invested. Housing and education costs are higher % than ever. As one party is clamoring to cut public school budgets or threaten librarians. All to further the narrative that the school system doesn't work, hasn't ever worked, and needs to be changed. We're trusting the people that broke it, to fix it, and they tell us that we never really needed it or that it'll cost too much to fix. But they have an idea of where all that sweet sweet public school money can go.... (drum roll) FOR PROFIT or Private (often Religious) Schools. Its not an integrity things. Why is that the knee jerk reaction? Seems a bit lazy. (old man yells at cloud, kinda thing) Our economy was in shambles. We were attacked. We rallied. Spent unknown sums of money to ramp up production for a huge war effort. Sent millions to Europe and the Pacific. Won. Decided that it would be a good idea to educate and house those millions that came back. Spent that money and built the economy back up in a huge way(google it). Decided in the 70's(before then, even) that we didn't want EVERYONE to take advantage of education or housing so the attacks started. Where from I wonder? (cough cough, the right). I know it can be easy to vilify a group of people for, supposedly, needing/wanting a handout. But if you step back and look at more of the moving parts you get a better idea of why that attitude exists. The war on education, making it seem like only elites try to get educated. As if its a bad thing. Why would anyone say something like that? What could their motivation be? Possibly to appeal to a group that hasn't and probably won't benefit from higher education if things stay as they are. Who are those people? Poorer white folk AND the near entirety of the black community. Which two groups are pitted against each other most often when it comes to just about every issue in politics? Those same two groups. One of those groups is much larger than the other. So it would benefit a party to keep one of those groups happy with their station by making it harder and more debilitating to achieve anything through education. As well as demonizing those that would advocate for education, as elite or soft or privileged. Is education any of those things, really? No.

Beat Sidakov!

No sir, I do not know. Just know that it was Terry from the dual. Of course Minnow was blasting out all kinds of crap out saying that Terry wasn’t at the dual because he was mad at Iowa, mad about Nelson’s gambling situation and he applied for UNC job because the relationship is fractured with Iowa. Then I commented on it and said that it was Terry that was at the dual and not Tom and he deletes all his posts about it. LOL if you are not right, just delete it!

I thought it was JTTS on Mocco after the Crump loss.

World team. Top 3 is national team. Other than that, you are right on about a lot of things.

This is such a stupid thread. This is why we can’t have nice things.

So it’s not like interstate or diehard?

Are they proposing to move the other Palestinians on the West Bank? Remember, there are Palestinians in the Knesset. So I don't think ethnic cleansing is the goal. Getting bad guys out of Gaza is. Leaving them in the west bank. That is not ethnic cleansing in the way you want to make it out to be. Of course you don't think they are bad guys but I refer you to Husker's response to you. And I refer you to the 1400 people they raped, burned, tortured and killed, not as an act of self defense, but as an act of barbaric war that they now do not want. Well, they got it because that is what they initiated. What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. mspart

Believe i recall it predated the tbar era.

probably either tbar or MSU while they were flirting with one another

More and more teams not doing a holiday tournament and doing duals instead. A few new dual events have popped up over the holidays and some are doing those

I thought this thread was about me in the first place....I have shared this before, but..... Back in the 80's I bumped up an age group at Vegas. I won a few matches then ran into a kid I never heard of...John Buxton. I had never seen a leg lace before, so I had also never seen a counter or defense for it. He took me down and leg laced me until we went out of bounds. I had no idea what happened. Then in a scramble, he locked it up and turned me until we went out of bounds again. Match over. He may still be leg lacing me to to this day had there not been a 12 point tech fall at that time. He went on to become an AA at Nebraska, having some great matches with Eric Aiken from Iowa State... I did not. Probably the best kid I ever faced in high school.

Correctamundo. Previous generations opened a bunch of doors...and then closed them behind themselves, put a padlock on them, and are charging exorbitant fees to get thru.

Oh, people have lots of "appreciation" for how the big company got there. Typically, by stepping on the head of regular people and exploiting workers (and/or child labor laws) while minimizing costs to increase profits. All these huge companies and CEOs with their huge salaries, those supercharged profits are only going to the plutocrat class; not the regular workers without whom the company could not function. So all they had to do to improve their lot in their lives was risk their life. And what if they had come back from service maimed and/or with severe PTSD? No, EVERYTHING isn't determined by luck or background, but there is a HUGE correlation. People will often throw around phrases like "the world needs ditch diggers, too" (or some corollary) but then doesn't want to pay said ditch diggers a living wage...well, do we need them or not? Not everybody has the skillset to "raise up." Take @Husker_Du for example. Is he handsome? No. Is he smart? Also no. Is he well endowed? Rumor around the craps table is again, no. Is he....what was I doing again?

Maybe the question should have been will Yianni make the Olympic Team for 2024? Then people can say their peace on that. Or maybe the question could be who will be our 65KG rep on the Olympic MFS team? Who wants to take on these questions? For myself, I don't see Yianni making the team. He would have to do some major improvement which can be done and a person of his caliber is certainly capable of it. But as has been noted, 65 is super tough. mspart

Correct. But the thing that people often fail to see or purposefully ignore are the roadblocks that were put in front of people. Systematically holding them back from acquiring generational wealth that helps develop trust in the state or civil leaders. That they have their best interests in mind. Can you think of a group that might feel a bit snookered by local, state, and federal leaders? (I'll give you a hint you're not wrong but you're not thinking of the group I'm thinking of) Those disadvantaged are the intangible things that we know, now, are crucial in building a community. Things that reduce crime rates because schools are funded by property taxes. Increase working opportunities by ensuring small businesses flourish in neighborhoods so people don't have to travel long distances for work. Your response makes it seem like you have the only path towards prosperity and those that have not matched your opinion of what success looks like, are deficient in some way. You should be careful about having that opinion or wording it in such a way, if that is not what you mean.

you just keep repeating the same tautological premise. you consistently shoot rockets at people, there's gonna be consequences.

Why is Israel proposing 'innocent' Gaza residents to move to Egypt but not to Israel, the West Bank, or Lebanon?

Thanks coach. Good luck this year

who is talking about forcible removal? there are palestinians fearing for their life that want to leave and Egypt and other muslim countries won't let them. another example of your side crying wolf. it's child shields is another form.

This actually has been said a lot by a lot of people. Even on here and the old forums.

Fired.

I would say a better argument for 3 point takedown would be to make a 3 point reversal opposed to no escape point. I believe it is overlooked how difficult and how much effort it takes to get an escape in college wrestling. With 0 point escapes someone can do all the work to get to their feet in a rear standing position top guy will not put in the effort to mat return and in conclusion then gets 0 points for creating action and getting to their feet. Also, in your argument, the difference in points is the same, but in your case, you are not rewarding the bottom man for wrestling.

That's why I mentioned him brother...

On a side note, I thought Mike Mal did a great job on the call. I would like to see him call more duals, hopefully ESPN/ACC or B1G will give him an opportunity.

Awesome move, Gus!

UB core says Hamas is bad, but I understand some of their motivations, including Israel's behavior. Israel should better ensure the safety of Palestinian civilians when targeting Hamas. There are innocent Palestinian citizens forced to stay and risk death or fleeing violence. Some people might interpret UB's stance as: "Israel is bad," which isn't what UB is saying. "Hamas is justified," which also isn't UB's message. Supporting humanitarian rights for Palestinian citizens doesn't mean supporting Hamas, and understanding the reasons behind Hamas's actions doesn't equate to supporting Hamas itself.

Remind us again who has won a medal at 65kg in, say, the past two decades or so.

Can't believe I am saying this but GWN is spot on. UB just wants to keep spewing the same rhetoric over and over in order to somehow make it true...and I am not sure why, other than he supports one side over the other...and the side he supports isn't Israel.

He's projected 149

No. Ramos stopping Lee from a potential 4th NCAA title beats pretty much anything that happens in the first weekend of the season. Impressive as it was for Blaze.

I'll forgive you, but only this time...

Um, I am going with . . . Germans. Just a guess.

It's hard to believe that with all the PEDs going on throughout the world, that our guys can come out on top despite it.

Would've been interesting to see if Yazdani would've been able to close distance on JB to utilize his underhooks. I have my doubts.

1 - Kyle Dake 2 - David Taylor 3 - David Taylor 4 - David Taylor 5 - David Taylor 6 - David Taylor 7 - David Taylor 8 - David Taylor 9 - David Taylor 10 - David Taylor

Adeline should be in there somewhere.

slightly better than mine? not to be too judgemental, but... you should aim higher...