Voice of the Quakers

Gentlemen, start your lawyers!!! https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/40029156/iowa-iowa-state-gambling-lawsuit-civil-rights

And you referred to two instances where a wrestler scored from bottom out of how many matches. Now you reference an all time great here - great arm drag, dude - and one other wrestler there. So, who is exactly citing exceptions? The reality is so much scoring in GR today is accomplished via penalty, which is a problem, and ground wrestling, which I am fine with, that it does not remotely resemble the sport I competed in during the 1980s and 1990s. (I know a fellow poster here has done the analysis - "real" scoring from the 2023 Worlds was, I believe, better than at the 2022 Worlds.) While GR is more popular in Europe, the utter inscrutability of the sport to the general public has caught the IOC's eye. And, anyone who thinks the GR product at OTT will help grow the popularity of the style here is kidding themselves.

The Chechen/Caucasus wrestling tradition is certainly stronger than one strongman, but I am curious of the potential impact of a transition in power in the wrestling community there given his support of martial arts. https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2024/04/23/heir-apparent-en

So, you're saying they scored from par terre? My point exactly.

Par terre is practically guaranteed in Greco - it's the only way anyone scores at the elite level. They even given a point when they simply give the advantage. I wish par terre would replace the shot clock in Free. Being forced down should be a penalty for the passive wrestler. But UWW is more concerned with simply getting a point on the board to determine a leader in the match whether it is Free or Greco.

This is the style worldwide. Winners are determined in par terre. Officials are so desperate to award points we now have the 2 point “correct throw” and 8 point tech falls. I’m not sure I have answers, but I would start by changing the match format to one five minute period and start action on the feet with some sort of chest to chest contact.

My goodness! A gut wrench! In Greco!

Greco wrestling used to have such beautiful rhythm. Not anymore

In fairness to Nolf, his four post step out defense against Boroughs and Dake was on point

Who said only Greco can be won on just penalty points?

Dake with the Three Stooges offense

As a former Greco guy, I have never understood Coon’s approach. He doesn’t use his height at all. He doesn’t attack high/head to snap. He also doesn’t attack low/wrist to hack people up. Instead he tries to just bull thru opponents, gets caught in the middle and becomes launch bait for better wrestlers.

Amazingly, that gold medal may not be in the top three must interesting things about Rulon

Greco today: 2 real points, 4 penalty points. At least it’s better than a 1-1 win

Adeline Gray - all class