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Great film, it really had some sad parts. What got me, Dad's are tough, most anyway. You gotta hope to have a mom to be the soft landing, someone that can love on ya a little, have the compassion etc. Hell is mom was brutal too, that poor kid had nowhere to turn. He got hosed on the JB match on the singlet pull, we said that during the live event. I am an even bigger fan of Chances now. I met him about 5 years ago at Super 32, my kid wrestled one of his club kids at the time. He was a good match, and he got pretty loud, lol...during the match. We won, and I thought, well I won't see that dude again. He came up to me later the dad, and wanted to tell me my kid was tough and wanted me to tel him to keep at it. Super cool move I think. A lot better experience there than with Henson, holy hell man.....lol That is an entirely different story.

If you go watch the Bader Show the Chance just did, the editing makes a lot more sense. Part of it is about not rehashing old childhood stuff, but Chance also takes a ton of accountability in that interview, and it sounds like he intentionally wanted to highlight his own missteps and his own process back. He has received a ton of outreach from people, and sounds like he was pretty aware that he might well kickstart this sort of outreach. Understanding that he was going to be kicking off a new community start point, he had a choice to emphasize accountability and positive process, or to make the film a source of commiseration and "woe is me" introspection and ruminating. After listening to his interview, I feel like this whole exercise was about accountability and sharing his story of substance abuse to recovery. His interview with Bader is just as good as the film itself.

Very good film! Just hoping in here to say you should check it out if you can!

^^^ that explains a lot

Not all backups are created equal, nor are true freshmen, especially when they are at PSU. You seem very hard to impress, wonder what your wrestling resume looks like.

Back from my trip to Stillwater this weekend. Below is my take aways from each weight class, and I'm sure others will have a difference of opinion which is fine as we all are entitled to our own thoughts and views. That's what makes this forum fun as we all chime and chat about the sport that we all love. 125: Spratley- Seems to have an extra gear so far, just looks extremely focused. For this really deep weight, I don't see him being an easy out for anyone. I'm sure he will have some defeats this year but I also think he could be a contender come March. 133: Hughes/Witcraft- Hughes is the better of the two, but I worry about him being able to maintain the weight cut throughout the year. He's looked good in his matches but he does have the appearance of cutting a lot of weight! Witcraft hasn't looked bad in his matches either. So we will see as neither of them have had to face any of the top tier guys yet. 141: Jamison- Just seems to be a little off, maybe nursing a minor injury or something. He's just seems to be hanging around and then doing just enough to win at the end. 149: Young- (This one's my headscratcher). He lost both matches this weekend that I feel he could have won. He's been the aggressor and gets in deep on a high crotch or single but get a little sloppy and can't finish or gets taken down when he's the one in better position to score. I'm sure DT will work with him on this and he'll improve as the year go on. 157: Teague Travis/Cutter Sheets- Travis is the starter, but Sheets gets some valuable freshman experience this weekend. He wrestled hard in his lose on Friday night and picked up a MD on Sunday. 165: Amine- Had a MD on Friday night but lost in OT Sunday. Probably would have won on Sunday if he was more aggressive on his feet. He got hit with stalling in the first period for backing up. He looked solid on top and bottom but just a little more action when neutral and he would have been fine. 174: Hamiti- Looked great! Man he reminds me a lot of John Smith. Can pretty much ankle pick whenever he wants. I wouldn't count him out for making the finals in March. 184: Plott- Maybe a little sluggish on Friday but returned to the Plott we all know on Sunday. I feel like DT favors him a bit, but I can see why...he's always working and constantly looking over at the corner and listening to instructions. "The perfect student". 197: Surber- My pick for OSU wrestler of the week! He has impressed me the most in this early stage of the year. He has been that guy in the past that hangs around 12th to 20th in the rankings. This Surber is wrestling like a man on a mission. Definitely has a chance to AA if he keeps this pace. HWT: Wyatt Hendrickson- It sure is refreshing to watch a heavy weight match with his action. Feels like you are watching an extra 125lb match. Maybe the days of watching 2 big dudes leaning on each other for 3 periods is over. NOTES: Anyway, that's my 2 cents on attending OK State duals this weekend. Guys, just remember these are just my observations and point of views. If you saw it differently, I would love to read your takes as well. Hope you all have a great Thanksgiving!

Runyon who is up from 174 to heavyweight is beating Nitzel 6-1 after a takedown and a reversal versus an escape. Very impressive for a guy who ust havae put on fifty pounds in the offseason. Dual finishes with 24-10 in favor of UNI. Runyon 7-0 at his new weight class. And now we move to extra matches.

Nice vernacular. Blithely and ilk used to great effect in a single sentence. It formed an immediate sight picture of blithe believers absorbing words without a care in the world. It is certainly a much different characterization than sexist racist nazi-loving bitter clinger homophobic anti-muslim anti semitic (quite a trick to pull off that rare double) garbage democracy hating fascists. I imagine the Harris campaign and lefties considered taunting their political doubters as blithe believers but then decided against it. I challenge myself to slip in a blithely and ilk in my conversations this week. Double points if I can do it in the same sentence like done here.

OU the Pride of Athens, OH...

https://jonathanturley.org/2024/11/27/reimagining-the-resistance-lawfare-warriors-express-regret-but-not-remorse-after-election/ You can read the whole article, but I will just post here the last few paragraphs. He gets this absolutely right, in my opinion. The problem with the lawfare campaign is that it did not just treat the law as an extension of politics, but treated the public as chumps. A large part of the public saw these cases for what they were: the use of motivated judges in favorable jurisdictions for political advantage. These same figures claim to be “saving democracy.” The result was that liberals convinced many citizens that democracy was at risk . . . from them. What they saw was efforts at ballot cleansing to remove Trump and other Republicans from the ballots. They saw raw lawfare in New York courts. They saw Kamala Harris and other Democrats supporting an unprecedented system of censorship that one court called “Orwellian.” Liberals continue to ignore that obvious disconnection despite the polls showing that they were increasingly viewed as the threat. Voters in swing states felt that Trump is more likely to protect democracy than Kamala Harris, who was running on a “save democracy” platform. One poll asked whether Trump or Harris “would do a better job” of “defending against threats to democracy,” 43% picked Trump, while 40% picked Harris. Likewise, free speech registered as one of the greatest concerns for voters in this election after years of censorship and blacklisting from the left. Now, one of the academics who previously said that we have to reimagine our democracy and trash our constitution is advising that the election left “a Democratic Party in dire need of reimagining.” There is a point where “reimagining” everything from the police to democracy becomes less of an exercise of self-evaluation than self-delusion. What many figures like Moyn are not willing to admit is that what Democrats attempted to do with lawfare was wrong and that the public rejected it … and them. mspart

Every year I join the local University's wrestling booster club and give a fairly sizable donation. In return, I get the opportunity to buy some of that University's allotment of tickets. Luckily, my local University has hosted the NCAA tournament a few times, so they had a better selection of tickets.

I don't know as I'm not in any real position to provide insight from within the program, but...I DO know what has been made pretty public. -Askren was not pursued by UW the way you'd expect(especially given the benefit of hindsight). I don't think this was all that rare as Askren was a unique Wrestler. He didn't APPEAR to be the type who'd be an all-time great. -Then you move forward to Bono, Askren leaves the RTC. That probably hurt. The deal with what happened when they had a falling out over sharing facilities during Covid, that made the divide worsen. Add to all that they have poor facilities, Askren wrestling at Mizzou, so AWA sending guys to Wisconsin was always probably a long shot. Then you have Pinnacle, that's closer to Minnesota. There's a history of Wisconsin HWTs Wrestling there. Lowney, Konrad was from the same town as Lowney. Tim Hartung is another guy who was a Minnesota great(he had to practically beg Robinson for a chance). And the you're left with Crass Wrestling and they certainly produce some talent, but when you think about ALL the elite Wrestlers, if they're not even considering Wisconsin... I'd imagine it's tougher. Then he was getting some really good recruits. Miguel Estrada is a kid I thought looked like a stud. He was a UW commit and he left along with several others. Hamiti and Gomez, they just did what was best for them, but you lose two NC contenders...so then if you're Sinclair, Mesenbrink, Mirasola, Millard(he's going to be a stud)...why are you going to go and join that sinking ship? *** I do NOT know that Askren is actively telling kids not to go there, but why would they? Gross and Reader are gone. All the momentum they appeared to have a couple years ago is dead. I don't know that there's any real financial support, but the athletes they had who were competing at the RTC, Gross, Amos and Gomez, they all left. I don't know why or how Bono has changed, but... I don't know that it matters. You had a stretch where Wisconsin was probably in the top 5 in terms of producing College talent and only Nicola Rivera went there(with respect to the other UW kids, I'm talking about top recruits, Fargo Champs, etc...). I do know you can't just keep blaming it on Askren or how the Pinnacle kids are Minnesota kids anyway or you're just going to continue to suck. None of that answers "what happened to Bono," and I don't know. It may just be part his personality not meshing(though I've heard a lot of coaches say he's made the rounds and ingratiated himself well) plus the sub-par support for the program. It's too bad.

Nope! We're even shoehorning this *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* into NON-PSU topics now! I do so look forward to hearing about which WRESTLING program suffers the most injuries and how that's the coach's fault...in a sport in which Wrestlers have always, but are ever increasingly and intentionally bending their knees in a way that would make a normal person's knee sound like a fat man sitting on bubble packaging! C'mon! I'm on the edge of my seat! I wanna hear when the next Wrestler is injured and how we can blame Cael or Brands for it!

Correct answer, both have their place.

Bizarrely I like both and rotate between them. I'm currently on a creamy stretch

Yes, I live in an upside down world that sees: - people telling truth getting ostracized by their government and social media and media. - people getting jailed for exercising their first amendment rights - people getting not jailed for rioting and looting because those are their first amendment rights - adults advocating puberty blockers for minors possibly sterilizing them - adults advocating surgical measures on minors to try to change their gender. These same adults don't want a school nurse giving an aspirin or tylenol to a kid that's been hurt. - Government officials not working to find justice for victims of crime but rather try to keep the perps out of jail. - Government officials that tell the unwashed masses that inflation is down nothing to worry about as prices are up 20% and some things are even more. - Government officials going after political opponents using the courts to enforce their wishes (see the second item above) - DOJ officials calling parents not having it at school board meetings domestic terrorists. That's the upside down world I live in. mspart

Sorry, your chart is misleading. yes it went up and came down over the space of 3.5 years. Your chart says this but the way it is presented looks like it was a short time. So after showing you all I did all you want to discuss is panic? Maybe panic is the wrong word. High anxiety over rapidly rising prices. Does that do it for you? That did happen. Again you are trying to argue this with the experts used by Biden and completely panned by those that voted R? Normal people can see that gas prices are higher than 9%, food prices are higher than 9% etc etc. Yes inflation came down but that did not stop the rising prices. That is the definition of inflation. Devaluing of money with resulting rise in prices. When you have 3 years of it, with a peak of 9%, prices will be higher than just 9%. Anyone with a HS level of math could deduce this. If you want to believe otherwise, go right ahead. It doesn't change the facts at all. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/food-prices-grocery-inflation-biden-economy/ Any increase in food prices may be especially painful to American consumers, given that supermarket prices are now 25% higher than in January 2020, while inflation has increased 19% over that same time. That means even though grocery costs are now rising at a slower pace than in the depth of the pandemic's inflationary spike, the same shopping basket still costs more than a month or a year ago, a fact that has soured many consumers on the economy. Two-thirds of voters polled by Yahoo Finance/Ipsos late last year said food prices are where they're most impacted by inflation, far outpacing the 1 in 10 who said they feel the impact through gas prices or higher rents. mspart

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-says-inflation-temporary-fed-should-do-what-it-deems-necessary-recovery-2021-07-19/ Biden says inflation temporary; Fed should do what it deems necessary for recovery July 19, 202111:46 AM PDTUpdated 3 years ago https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bidens-big-inflation-problem-prices-are-now-up-nearly-20-since-he-took-office-080049551.html. Biden's big inflation problem: Prices are now up nearly 20% since he took office Prices as measured by the seasonally adjusted Consumer Price Index (CPI) are now up over 19.4% in the three-plus years since Biden took office. I knew you really didn't want to ask that question. But you thought you had me. Sorry to disappoint. You have not been paying attention. Many in the country did and that is why the Ds are now going to be out of power on the federal level. mspart

here's one way to tell.... can i suggest, a report card?

What is your definition of temporary? And what panic are you talking about? And quantify much impact on the economy.

I often look at freestyle results as a predictor for college results, but two things results that always give me some skepticism are carter youngs third place at the world team trials in 2021 and Carson kharchla teching mehki during one of those covid rtc things. Im sure there are other examples.

I don't think it's a problem to rely on college folkstyle results to rank college folkstyle wrestlers.

This is a very important question. I need you to think carefully before you answer. Our entire internet message board friendship is riding on your reply. Creamy or chunky?

I agree with this. And that was my whole point with Barr. I know how good he is, really damn good. Him beating Lucas Cochran and Mirasola did nothing for me because I ALREADY KNEW HE WAS GOOD.

The problem with Flo and Intermat is that they rely upon results and not the eye test, if that makes sense. I understand why they do it and they are consistent but I don't think that's the best approach. Example: I didn't have to see Luke Lilledahl beat some guy ranked XXth in the country at 125 to put in him the top 16. I've seen him beat Jore Volk and Troy Spratley three times in the last two years. I get it, freestyle vs folk. I don't care.

And Luke Lilledahl is ranked 24th. Do you understand how they choose to place wrestlers just entering the rankings? Apparently not...

Well that high school kid took down the olympic bronze medalist who was one ankle dive brain fart away from the gold medal match, so he is probably not a scrub like you and I were

I had always assumed Josh Barr was going 197 because he could not go 184 this year. Some people are going to need to transfer out, but we will see. Penn State logjam is a permanent conversation. Mirasola is a beast. We can go on and on and spell it all out, but you all already know.

The win over Connor Mirasola is especially impressive. Connor is a stud who would likely AA this year as a true Freshman, if he wasn't redshirting. Barr will be a problem at 197 come March.

He seemed to be moving pretty well even after the injury vs Drexel, so maybe this is precautionary.

Benefits of having an Ivy League educated family I guess.

Follow up question. How do you know that?

Health. These last 2 years have been brutal on us. I know everyone deals with injuries and such, but when you lack capable depth it tends to show more than others. Smith will right the ship. We have had pretty good recruiting classes, and I would suspect it turns around sooner rather than later. We aren’t a trophy team, a couple, 2-3 AA is probably the ceiling this year.

You win this round boss!

I know a guy ...

Hint: the two wrestlers being discussed, with one of them being injured, attend the University of Michigan. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You know what happened by Gable-Ghadiali going first? An actual match. What didn't happen? Team loses every match going into heavyweight and they just say "screw it" and no one gets to see the match. So we got the match we wanted to see and fans didn't have to endure a bludgeoning leading up to it. I fail to see where this is even worth complaining about to be honest. You got the match you wanted to see, then three straight matches of ranked guys hitting head to head before the Camel was put to pasture.

Apparently a jar of peanut butter is about 3,000 calories. I've been known to polish one off in a sitting with a spoon

A lot of people have never been to a Super Bowl, but that hasn't destroyed fan interest around the country. Funny how televised sports work.

Policies that mandate certain behavior is wrong when costing more money to implement for the citizenry. Car companies are losing money making EVs and the batteries to power them. Why? Because there is very little market for them. Gas and diesel are eminently reliable and much cleaner than before. Natural gas is way cleaner than most other energy sources but that is also attacked. Water dams are the cleanest of all and they want to get rid of the dams. So who is ont he right side of things here. The so called wingers or the leftists? mspart

Respect my authority

SmokinHotness is her Indian name.

WHO: The ILLINI v. University of North Carolina WHAT: Away Dual in North Carolina WHEN: Monday, November 25 at 6:00 pm (Central) WHERE: Chapel Hill, North Carolina TV/STREAMING: ACCNX THE GOOD NEWS / BAD NEWS The good news is that the ILLINI have an excellent opportunity to leave this dual 5-0. The bad news is that most ILLINI fans won't get to see it. The dual will be broadcast on ACCNX. You can find the match listed on the ESPN.com and ESPN+.com schedule: Once you click on the event you want to see, though, a screen will come up that looks like this: After clicking on your provider, you will be greeted with a page from your provider with a request for your email or username and password and so on. There are other providers, but they're all small cable companies in states where you are mandated by law to marry your cousin if'n you ain't already married to your sister. If you have one of the providers in the image above, we would suggest that you test the set-up process by clicking on a live event or a replay from their schedule and going through the enrollment process before the match starts. WHY WE HATE NORTH CAROLINA They use a mustard-based bbq sauce. It's insane yet worse than it sounds. The finished product looks like what you'd see during an Exorcism. This, alone, is reason enough for the United States to secede from the Tar Heel State. A DAY IN HISTORY On January 13, 2007, the number one song on the Billboard charts was Irreplaceable by Beyoncé. The number one digital song was Fergilicious by Fergie featuring will.i.am. At the box office, the top grossing move was Stomp the Yard. The advertising blurb written by the marketing gurus at Sony Pictures read like this: "When his brother is murdered, a street dancer moves to Georgia to work his way through college. He joins a fraternity's step dancing team for a competition. Will he also get an education and the girl?" It worked! On Saturday, January 13, 2007, that movie sold $8,541,104 worth of tickets. But for real entertainment that day, you had to be in College Park, Maryland to witness the Fighting ILLINI take on the University of North Carolina. The only ILLINI wrestler who didn't win that day eventually became an All American: ILLINOIS 32, North Carolina 3 125: #8 Gabe Flores dec. Drew Forshey, 5-3 3-0 133: #18 Jimmy Kennedy dec. #8 Evan Sola, 3-0 6-0 141: #8 Cassio Pero dec. Mike Rappo, 9-5 9-0 149: #13 Troy Tirapelle dec. Vincent Ramirez, 6-3 12-0 157: #1 Mike Poeta MD Ben Fiacco, 13-3 16-0 165: #14 Roger Smith-Bergsrud dec. #12 K. Mueller, 7-3 19-0 174: Nick Guida DEF. Alex Maciag 25-0 184: #15 John Dergo MD Robert McCarthy, 9-1 29-0 197: Patrick Bond vs. Dennis Drury, 7-3 32-0 HWT: #9 Spencer Nadolsky dec. John Wise, 6-4 32-3 LAST SEASON The two teams met last year for a dual, and ILLINOIS came away with the 20-13 victory, which was especially exciting with three true Freshmen getting starts: Webster, Scoles and Moore. The rest of the Preview, including the individual matchups, at this link.

I've never been a huge Bono fan, but he also does some things well. I think Badger fans are shooting themselves in the foot though with all the public complaining online. You might eventually get rid of the current guy, but are high quality future coaches going to want to jump into that environment? As I remember, the fan base wasn't all in on Barry Davis either.

I think it probably had most to do with, getting Campbell's 4 ranked guys in the first 4 matches and getting Minnesota's lightweights fresh off the scale. Even a close match at Hwt would have been momentum for their 125-141 which were their best chances at getting a ranked win.

The devils flying too close to the sun.

We should totally rename this thread to "Figueroa may be hurt but let's talk about Okie St."

I thought they would like non-wrestling countries winning medals. Transfers are the only way for that to happen consistently. It certainly makes for a more entertaining product from a fan perspective. I don't like this change.

Facts say otherwise on attendance. Based on your post history, you don’t seem to like wrestling very much. I hope you find joy in another sport.