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145lbs. Joe Heskett didn't even win the tourney. The top 4 at that weight was stacked! I believe they all were college AAs. The early Reno TOC tournaments were so tough. NCAA champs and AAs throughout.

Notice the 3rd placer at 103 @Husker_Du

125 Ayala, IOWA over Kaylor, OSUW via Major Iowa 4-0 133 Wisenhunt, OSUW over Ybarra, IOWA via Major Tied 4-4 141 Woods, IOWA over Belton, OSUW via Decision Iowa 7-4 149 Voinovich, IOWA over Tolentino, OSUW via Decision Iowa 10-4 157 Franek, IOWA over Menke, OSUW via Tech Iowa 15-4 165 Caliendo, IOWA over Olguin, OSUW via Major (If Fouret it is a Tech for Caliendo) Iowa 19-4 174 Wittlake, OSUW over Riggins, IOWA via Decision (If Arnold it is a Decision for Arnold) Iowa 19-7 184 Munoz, OSUW over Swafford, IOWA via Decision Iowa 19-10 197 Glazier, IOWA over OSUW via Decision (I think it is a Decision whoever they send out) Iowa 22-10 285 McDermott, OSUW over Hill, IOWA via Pinfall Iowa 22-16 Wrestlestat Permalink: https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/perma/679/iowa-vs-oregon-state A few notes: Ayala could push for a tech over Kaylor at 125. I think Woods will control Belton fairly easily. Same with Voinovich at 149. I think Caliendo is on a mission. I think Arnold is a better 174lber than Wittlake, if they are to meet up. I think Swafford proves he is a R12/R16 type contender in this match. I think McDermott is on a mission.

Haha, so tearing up SOTU speeches on world television with millions of viewers doesn’t make your list? Maybe McCarthy learned his bad behavior from the previous speaker?

As the political season ramps up. It is important to remember those that may disagree with you are going through their own stuff that we might have a hard time understanding. Try to find empathy or sympathy for their journey. Some may try to convince us that those, for whom we disagree, are doing so from a place of evil or villainy. If they stoop to refer to anyone as vermin or in any way other than a human being, they are trying to manipulate you and you should very carefully explore their motives for doing so. That which is proclaimed without evidence can be disregarded without evidence. If their idea is better they should have no problem proving it without name calling or the us e of any other rhetorical tactic.

For someone who preaches personal accountability, Tom Brands really doesn’t like personal accountability. The victim complex can be a powerful motivator and he’s latched into it, hard. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Now I can see why he gets along with the Ferrari family. I'm sure he'll welcome the eldest Ferrari to the team and tell him he's an outstanding citizen and was treated unfairly at OSU.

Did he acknowledge that both Iowa & Iowa St are located in the state of Iowa? Did he say why he forgot to tell his nephew to not gamble and not break NCAA rules? Maybe I should waste 17 minutes.

Willie Miklus?? Brewer/Ashnault

Can Churella be awarded his NCAA Championship now?

Welcome to the board, Cameron? Chris? Bryan? Brett? David? Kyle? Eric? Joseph? Shawn? Jason? Rodney? Rusty? Sedric? Tom?

Who *can* coach this mythical 125? Let's go back twenty years. Illinois? Nope, Jesse Delgado tore out his shoulder senior year chasing this 3rd natty. Iowa? Nope, Clark couldn't keep weight, McDonough couldn't stay healthy, Gilman was only good enough for JV, Lee couldn't beat one guy one match at nattys and that is the ultimate indictment of his ability. PSU? Nope, 2x finalist/1x champ Nico isn't up to snuff. Suriano couldn't stay healthy then he left and only made the finals, had to bump up to win a natty, then dropped back at a third school for his second title. Indiana? Nope, Dubuque was such a bum that he could only win two titles. Cornell? Nope, Travis Lee couldn't hold weight and had to bump for his second title. Don't even get me started on Nickerson and his audacity to wrestle through injuries for a lonesome title. What a bonkers take. 125 is the hardest weight to maintain even 2 years, much less 5 by a wide margin and the wrestling style leans much closer to judo with ridiculous pressure onto the joints that by basic anatomy & physiology is significantly less prevalent at larger weights leading to major injuries at a higher clip. That's what happens when you either don't hit the weight room because you're scared of gaining weight or sucking out to make weight if you decide to add strength. So here's a random though: Maybe just maybe Cael recruited Lee to take over 125 and let Suriano go his better natural weight of 133 with still 6% body fat. But maybe Suriano's dad did Suriano's dad things and couldn't see the forest for the Lees and messed up the whole damn thing. Idk just making up scenarios in my head.

Metcalf, Dustin Schlatter, and Mocco were probably some of the most hyped recruits in the 2000s anyway. Nickerson too.

That McD is sure one pin feller!

Yes he would . In addition to being a pretty tough guy he was a MMa fighter. So he has grappling skills and fighting skills. If they did a pay per view fight I would pay. Maybe they could give the proceeds to a good charity. We could have Zuckerburg and Elon Musk as the main event.

The Pinfellery is real.

Destin was a 5x state champ and 6x finalist. Went to Nebraska then transferred to Un-Kearney. Was a 3x AA, 2x national finalist and 1x national champ. I'd hardly say that isn't fairing well after high school.

Cael was a top recruit but at the time if you had to pick one you thought might be a 4 timer it would have been Joe Heskett - who had beat Cael when they met at Reno in High School.

Flo once progressed the sport forward, and it now holds it back. Tragic.

I would be floored if Braeden Davis doesn't get the start this year. He's clearly a level above Steen (who actually looked solid, granted he didn't wrestle anyone good) He majored him and pinned him in the wrestleoff. With Lilledahl coming and looking like a reliable 4 year starter with no redshirt, might as well shirt Davis then get him ready to go 133 after Nagao vacates. I feel bad but I don't think Howard can ever make it all the way back, especially since shoulders are some of the most recurring injuries out there. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think you can count on him doing anything going forward. Not remotely shocked at these results, when he wrestled freestyle (his superior style) in 2022, he looked way out of it before getting hurt again and his layoff clearly shows.

He did capitalize the names.

I might consider reading this in it's entirety if you used some modicum of English writing conventions.

Metzger would use any room that would allow him in. I’m surprised he’s not holding a sign on the side of the road that reads “will wrestle for food”. That is one of the reasons we left the Denton ISD (Lantana)

I would much rather be the hunter then the hunted. This should be some more great early season wrestling.

Some folks started with the pre-season ranks...

I think the better question is has there ever been a more d bag post than this?

Well then I stand corrected. He was plenty successful after high school

It was pretty funny watching him bang his gavel

I don't know if recruiting in the mid to late 90's was comprehensive enough to really pin down a generational recruit. Cael was certainly a known quantity at the time and competed the Dapper Dan Classic for team USA so he was known nationally. And are you taking about Destin McCauley as the kid from Wisconsin?

He does now

Those teams are all grandfathered in. You can’t just “do it” these days. The handful of D3s who play D1 hockey (there is no D2 hockey). There’s the lax schools and of course, F&M in wrestling.

I’m going out on a limb here, but I think it's the only way they can get coaches to agree to the matches. Historically, some of the matches are clear #1-#2 matches that would handle seeding definitively, others are more for entertainment, and are asymmetric in the upside/downside for certain wrestlers to take. Keeping it off the record allows for the wrestling to happen at all. NJ used to have a similar all-star dual every year, I’m not sure if they still do. Coaches protecting wrestlers and seeding got in the way of a lot of entertaining matchups.

Oof, the realest and the truest. Brought the Flo, now they hold it hostage.

You didn’t actually disprove the claim you just quoted Larry Lee, a man whose taken subtle shots a Penn State and was wrapped up in trying to recruit transfers to Iowa lol who you going to quote next Gabe Arnold’s dad ? while spencer might have thought Iowa was better training spot, penn state had the national champ at 125 and 3x finalist while recruiting him Highly doubt Suriano ducked anyone in his entire life , looking at Rutgers roster Suriano was the only real D1 level wrestler at the weight , he lost to Spencer 5-1 2 weeks outta the hospital with staph in his knee I doubt he was afraid to wrestle him healthy Suriano had no idea spencer wouldn’t be at 125 his last year because Spencer started that season and wrestled in 3 duals , then waited a bit before announcing he was going for a medical redshirt , you think Suriano was just sitting around saw on flo that spencer is done then hit the sauna and called up Michigan? also u seem to be knocking Suriano going up to 133 and winning ncaas , he won one of the toughest brackets ever , he beat a world champ (Micic) , world runner up (fix), Desanto , Lizak an ncaa finalist , Pletcher (would’ve been a finalist in 2020) , Erneste, Phillipi , 2x AA Korbin Myers and won a bracket where 2x Ncaa champ RBY took 8th and Austin Gomez AA, Tariq Wilson 2xAA , Dylan Duncan AA ,Devan Turner AA, Chaz Tucker and Brandon Paetzall both AAs the no tourney year all didnt place his path to a title at 133 was Duncan AA, Myers 2x AA ,Lizak 3x AA finalist, Micic 3x AA , finalist, world champ, and then fix 3x finalist world finalist , this weight is tougher then any bracket Lee ever won and Suriano is a weird guy to nitpick about because his hit list in unmatched in recent memory he beat 2 ncaa champs and 5 or 6 ncaa finalists

The curse of suriano continues

Good point, much more impressive than first time since 2023 given its still 2023. Well done!

125- Ayala dec Kaylor 3-0 133- Whisenhunt dec Rhoades 3-3 141- Woods tf Belton 8-3 149- VV dec Tolentino 11-3 157- Franek mdec Menke 14-3 165- Caliendo dec Olguin 17-3 174- Arnold dec Wittlake 20-3 184- Munoz dec Swafford 20-6 197- Glazier dec Rademacher 23-6 285- McDermott fall Hill 23-12

Flo should have to have an official rep at every match and tournament they cover or they don’t get ranking rights. if you know…you know.

We're like 1 week into the season and you're b!tching already? Jeez!

Richards made a leap this last year and it wasn't a physical one, necessarily. He has put a lot of time in to allowing himself to be coached and implementing the perfect gameplans while also sticking to fundamentally sound roots. As an American I am proud to see how much he has improved. Now everyone at 57 KG has to go through the challenge tourney. It's going to be insane.

Richards must've had a lot of gameplans!

What do you have against Dom Zaccone!?

I am having a hard time reading this, my glasses are broken....oops, I have said too much.

I read your reply before what you quoted, and thought it was going to be Consuelos...

Did Grant want to leave Stanford or was Ayres not going to retain him?

Getting an FBS school (and especially an A5 school, which all of those schools you mentioned except Rice are...all of them are FBS) to start a program is like expecting a unicorn to wish upon a shooting star that you'll win Powerball this Wednesday...it's completely unlikely to happen. Tarleton is a smaller Division I school (in fact, they're still within their transition period...2023-24 is their last year of their transition), and as such, their required fundraising level to start a program is much lower. Further, as I mentioned in a previous thread, you have to go back to 2016 for the last time a non-FBS Division I school dropped wrestling (Grand Canyon). Priorities, put simply, are a lot different at non-FBS institutions than at FBS schools.