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I think it's actually Witcraft that was playing with fire there.

Note: I have no inside information on seedings so these are merely just my best guesses but figured they could be good discussion starters. You can use the interactive brackets using the following letters: D, M, T, F (decision, major, tech, fall). Big Ten Interactive Bracket Seeding Gueses: Conference record is based on their record vs. who I have as projected starters at the same weight CR = NCAA Coaches Ranking RPI = NCAA RPI Ratings WS = WrestleStat Rankings 125 lbs. #1 Spencer Lee (IOWA) (14-0, 7-0 BIG) #2 Matt Ramos (PUR) (26-3, 5-1 BIG) #3 Liam Cronin (NEB) (18-3, 6-1 BIG) #4 Patrick McKee (MINN) (10-4, 3-4 BIG) #5 Eric Barnett (WIS) (16-5, 5-4 BIG) #6 Michael DeAugustino (NW) (6-6, 3-3 BIG) #7 Braxton Brown (MD) (21-3, 5-1 BIG) #8 Malik Heinselman (OSU) (20-4, 3-2 BIG) #9 Dean Peterson (RUT) (20-7, 5-4 BIG) #10 Jack Medley (MICH) (19-8, 5-4 BIG) #11 Gary Steen (PSU) (6-12, 1-5 BIG) #12 Tristan Lujan (MSU) (15-8, 1-6 BIG) #13 Jacob Moran (IND) (21-12, 0-7 BIG) #14 Maximo Renteria (ILL) (4-11, 0-7 BIG) 133 lbs. #1 Roman Bravo-Young (PSU) (13-0, 6-0 BIG) #2 Jesse Mendez (OSU) (13-3, 7-1 BIG) #3 Lucas Byrd (ILL) (23-3, 6-1 BIG) #4 Chris Cannon (NW) (15-6, 5-2 BIG) #5 Aaron Nagao (MINN) (15-3, 3-1 BIG) #6 Dylan Ragusin (MICH) (14-6, 3-3 BIG) #7 Joe Heilmann (RUT) (22-6, 3-4 BIG) #8 Brody Teske (IOWA) (6-2, 3-1 BIG) #9 Rayvon Foley (MSU) (12-8, 1-6 BIG) #10 Taylor Lamont (WIS) (9-12, 1-6 BIG) #11 Kyle Burwick (NEB) (13-7, 1-6 BIG) #12 Dustin Norris (PUR) (12-13, 2-4 BIG) #13 Henry Porter (IND) (20-7, 1-4 BIG) #14 King Sandoval (MD) (0-4, 0-3 BIG) 141 lbs. #1 Real Woods (IOWA) (13-0, 5-0 BIG) #2 Brock Hardy (NEB) (24-4, 7-1 BIG) #3 Beau Bartlett (PSU) (19-1, 5-1 BIG) #4 Frankie Tal-Shahar (NW) (10-4, 4-3 BIG) #5 Jake Bergeland (MINN) (13-7, 4-4 BIG) #6 Joey Olivieri (RUT) (13-4, 5-2 BIG) #7 Danny Pucino (ILL) (14-8, 3-2 BIG) #8 Parker Filius (PUR) (17-7, 4-3 BIG) #9 Dylan D'Emilio (OSU) (13-9, 5-6 BIG) #10 Cole Mattin (MICH) (13-6, 3-5 BIG) #11 Joseph Zargo (WIS) (9-10, 1-5 BIG) #12 Cayden Rooks (IND) (12-9, 1-5 BIG) #13 Jordan Hamdan (MSU) (21-11, 1-6 BIG) #14 Kal Miller (MD) (12-13, 1-6 BIG) 149 lbs. #1 Sammy Sasso (OSU) (22-2, 8-0 BIG) #2 Yahya Thomas (NW) (19-2, 7-2 BIG) #3 Austin Gomez (WIS) (10-2, 4-1 BIG) #4 Max Murin (IOWA) (17-3, 4-2 BIG) #5 Shayne VanNess (PSU) (15-4, 4-3 BIG) #6 Chance Lamer (MICH) (10-5, 1-2 BIG) #7 Michael Blockhus (MINN) (14-4, 4-3 BIG) #8 Graham Rooks (IND) (25-6, 3-4 BIG) #9 Ethen Miller (MD) (24-6, 4-3 BIG) #10 Anthony White (RUT) (12-11, 2-5 BIG) #11 Jake Harrier (ILL) (6-13, 2-4 BIG) #12 Peyton Omania (MSU) (13-11, 0-6 BIG) #13 Jayden Reynolds (PUR) (5-13, 0-5 BIG) #14 Dayne Morton (NEB) (5-12, 1-4 BIG) 157 lbs. #1 Peyton Robb (NEB) (23-0, 8-0 BIG) #2 Levi Haines (PSU) (20-1, 6-0 BIG) #3 Kendall Coleman (PUR) (26-3, 5-2 BIG) #4 Mike Carr (ILL) (4-0, 1-0 BIG) #5 Cobe Siebrecht (IOWA) (10-4, 4-3 BIG) #6 Chase Saldate (MSU) (22-4, 5-2 BIG) #7 Will Lewan (MICH) (16-5, 4-4 BIG) #8 Trevor Chumbley (NW) (21-5, 4-4 BIG) #9 Garrett Model (WIS) (15-7, 3-5 BIG) #10 Brayton Lee (MINN) (4-7, 1-5 BIG) #11 Derek Gilcher (IND) (22-10, 5-6 BIG) #12 Paddy Gallagher (OSU) (10-6, 2-6 BIG) #13 Andrew Clark (RUT) (17-13, 1-9 BIG) #14 Michael North (MD) (15-6, 0-3 BIG) 165 lbs. #1 Cameron Amine (MICH) (10-2, 4-1 BIG) #2 Dean Hamiti (WIS) (18-3, 5-1 BIG) #3 Patrick Kennedy (IOWA) (16-2, 4-1 BIG) #4 Alex Facundo (PSU) (16-2, 3-1 BIG) #5 Carson Kharchla (OSU) (9-3, 4-2 BIG) #6 Maxx Mayfield (NW) (21-9, 4-5 BIG) #7 Caleb Fish (MSU) (24-6, 5-3 BIG) #8 Andrew Sparks (MINN) (13-7, 1-2 BIG) #9 Danny Braunagel (ILL) (18-8, 2-4 BIG) #10 Bubba Wilson (NEB) (13-10, 1-6 BIG) #11 Nick South (IND) (9-6, 2-1 BIG) #12 Robert Kanniard (RUT) (4-3, 1-2 BIG) #13 John MartinBest (MD) (10-14, 1-4 BIG) #14 Cooper Noehre (PUR) (8-12, 0-4 BIG) 174 lbs. #1 Carter Starocci (PSU) (16-0, 8-0 BIG) #2 Michael Labriola (NEB) (24-0, 6-0 BIG) #3 Ethan Smith (OSU) (15-5, 6-2 BIG) #4 Bailee O'Reilly (MINN) (15-3, 4-1 BIG) #5 Edmond Ruth (ILL) (24-3, 5-3 BIG) #6 Donnell Washington (IND) (21-4, 5-3 BIG) #7 Troy Fisher (NW) (17-5, 3-2 BIG) #8 Nelson Brands (IOWA) (6-4, 0-3 BIG) #9 Max Maylor (MICH) (15-7, 3-5 BIG) #10 Jackson Turley (RUT) (8-10, 2-5 BIG) #11 Cesar Garza (MSU) (13-11, 1-7 BIG) #12 Dominic Solis (MD) (10-11, 0-6 BIG) #13 Joshua Otto (WIS) (6-14, 0-5 BIG) #14 Macarteny Parkinson (PUR) (9-13, 0-1 BIG) 184 lbs. #1 Aaron Brooks (PSU) (9-1, 4-0 BIG) #2 Kaleb Romero (OSU) (19-4, 4-1 BIG) #3 Isaiah Salazar (MINN) (15-1, 6-0 BIG) #4 Matt Finesilver (MICH) (20-5, 4-3 BIG) #5 Layne Malczewski (MSU) (21-3, 4-2 BIG) #6 Brian Soldano (RUT) (20-7, 5-4 BIG) #7 Abe Assad (IOWA) (15-2, 4-1 BIG) #8 Lenny Pinto (NEB) (19-7, 5-3 BIG) #9 Dylan Connell (ILL) (16-14, 2-6 BIG) #10 Tyler Dow (WIS) (7-11, 3-4 BIG) #11 Evan Bates (NW) (16-15, 1-6 BIG) #12 Ben Vanadia (PUR) (11-14, 2-7 BIG) #13 Clayton Fielden (IND) (8-12, 0-5 BIG) #14 Kevin Makosky (MD) (2-5, 0-2 BIG) 197 lbs. #1 Max Dean (PSU) (18-2, 7-0 BIG) #2 Silas Allred (NEB) (23-5, 7-1 BIG) #3 Cameron Caffey (MSU) (18-3, 5-2 BIG) #4 Zach Braunagel (ILL) (20-5, 8-3 BIG) #5 Braxton Amos (WIS) (16-5, 4-4 BIG) #6 Gavin Hoffman (OSU) (15-5, 3-3 BIG) #7 Jaxon Smith (MD) (15-5, 3-0 BIG) #8 Michial Foy (MINN) (13-8, 4-4 BIG) #9 Jacob Warner (IOWA) (13-4, 3-3 BIG) #10 Nick Willham (IND) (16-7, 2-4 BIG) #11 Billy Janzer (RUT) (6-10, 2-5 BIG) #12 Andrew Davison (NW) (16-11, 0-6 BIG) #13 Brendan Yatooma (MICH) (5-12, 0-7 BIG) #14 Hayden Filipovich (PUR) (5-19, 0-6 BIG) 285 lbs. #1 Mason Parris (MICH) (25-0, 7-0 BIG) #2 Greg Kerkvliet (PSU) (13-1, 5-1 BIG) #3 Anthony Cassioppi (IOWA) (17-2, 4-2 BIG) #4 Lucas Davison (NW) (18-2, 6-2 BIG) #5 Trent Hillger (WIS) (14-6, 5-4 BIG) #6 Jacob Bullock (IND) (18-4, 5-3 BIG) #7 Tate Orndorff (OSU) (11-5, 2-3 BIG) #8 Boone McDermott (RUT) (15-3, 2-1 BIG) #9 Jaron Smith (MD) (12-8, 4-3 BIG) #10 Hayden Copass (PUR) (6-7, 3-4 BIG) #11 Cale Davidson (NEB) (9-15, 1-5 BIG) #12 Garrett Joles (MINN) (12-11, 2-5 BIG) #13 Ryan Vasbinder (MSU) (15-12, 1-7 BIG) #14 Matt Wroblewski (ILL) (11-15, 0-7 BIG) Team Standings Based on Seeds (no bonus factor) 1. Penn State - 139.5 2. Iowa - 98 3. Ohio State - 89 4. Nebraska - 82 5. Northwestern - 76.5 6. Michigan - 71 7. Minnesota - 68.5 8. Wisconsin - 55 9. Illinois - 50.5 10. Michigan State - 36.5 11. Purdue - 33 12. Rutgers - 27 13. Indiana - 22 14. Maryland - 11.5

A couple guys have shown the path to beating Lee, you get one attempt. Yes wizzards & witches might have a slightly better chance but picc your spot it is a very very thin path.

Some witchcraft from Witcraft. It didn't work.

He plays a smart game. His hand-fighting is elite (because of great conditioning and those angry Brands genes). I would also argue that his reattacks are super-elite. He will shoot against popsicles, but against really good opponents, he waits until you shoot first. His reattacks are amazingly quick. So, it is the smart play for him, but it also means a lot of sweaty palms and 3-2 decisions against really good wrestlers.

Nelson Brands hand fighting is elite. He will be in matches with anyone because of it. Would not be surprised to see him make an AA run.

ESPN+ will be streaming every mat on every session up through the medal round. ESPN will be showing the Saturday Night Finals. https://espnpressroom.com/us/program-schedules/#tvl_resultsAnchor has a searchable schedule. Put in the date(s) of the NCAAs, pick ESPN+, and you'll see all the mats scheduled. Use their advanced search to get only the tournament schedule. (all times ET) 3/16: 12 to 3:30pm, 7pm to 10:30 3/17: 11am to 2pm, 8pm to 11 3/18: 11am to 2pm, 7pm to 10pm (ESPN)

Great list but in Piccininni's case, he was able to get it to work that one time

He'll be fine...has the winning percentage and will have the coaches' ranking (unless the 14 coaches that rank 149 have sudden amnesia about who he is, minimum for both of those is 8 matches).

Aged like milk!!

~half the schools are Ag schools. The pre-seeds are sent in to the Ag schools about a week early and go to the green house. The ones that sprout are brought to the final seeding meeting. The tallest sprout on Friday gets the top #1 seed and so on down to the shortest. This may or may not be how it works but it's as good a guess as anyone else has. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Well, when they're on bottom they are intent on staying there for the rest of the period. Bad joke for a bad team with a fan in a bad mood.

Here's a link to all the all-americans from Portland State, mostly division II, but some division I .....maybe Saunders, Yatabe and Dan Russell with the most division I finishes. There are four pages of all-americans you can navigate through here. Fadz https://nwhof.org/national-wrestling-hall-of-fame/champions-database?school=203

For those unaware- He's the hairy one on the right!

I'd like to see Pinto () vs Keckeisen as the final match.

I'm a PSU guy and outside of" my team" my favorites are Yianni and Labriola. There is bias for both. Have family that wrestled for Cornell and Labriola is from my neck of the woods. But even without those two Spencer still isn't one of my favorites. There are other wrestlers I just so happen to have a liking to. Even back in Cael's era my two favorites were Abas and Greg Jones. Doesn't mean I didn't acknowledge Cael's greatness

Portland State

It warms my heart that people who want to watch a basketball game are having to watch the end of a dual meet.

Witcraft was not playing with fire, he was going to get pinned at some point in the match unless he pinned Lee early. Witcraft is dangerous from his feet.

That is the way he coaches. I remember planting myself behind him in Reno more than 10 years ago to soak in his wisdom. He spent the match enumerating how much money he wasted paying for the guys trip. Seems mindless to me, but can't argue his success.

vasquez was out they said this was the last match yas could wrestle but still RS

I know they outclassed OSU in every position, but I was particularly impressed with their reattacks. I say "particularly impressed" bc it's hella difficult to reattack when your opponent doesn't shoot and just stands there and looks at you. So, they just pulled the trigger when the Cowboy attempted a half-assed snap, e.g. Assad.

I really appreciate the discussion. I've heard that B1G coaches arrive at their seeds multiple ways, so I'm not sure which is true. What I've heard multiple times (and it seems most likely to me) is that they send in their seeds for all the weights. The seeds get averaged out into pre-seeds. Then the coaches have a meeting in which they have the right to challenge a wrestler immediately above their guy. For example, the coach with the five seed challenges the four seed because his kid has a head-to-head win over him. I would hate to see the coaches reinforce ducking. A wrestler can only wrestle the man in front of him. On the other hand, Mikey Carr is an example of a wrestler not wrestling many matches--though I think he's got a valid doctor's excuse. Every year, though, I have to trot this old chestnut out:

What on earth caused you to want to read all of that and brag about it?

If you cut him I literally believe he'd bleed black and gold. I think he's the closest to an embodiment of Gable, more than the Brands or anyone else. The way he wrestled. And the way he thinks and talks, he has that plain, guileless way of expressing himself - it's striking.

With the current Bad Knee Lee, Fix grinds out the 1st period then throws in boots and that'll be all she wrote. But give me a healthy Lee over Fix any day. Teske hung with Fix for 6 minutes until he got caught out of position in a stupid scramble.

Thanks for all of the feedback! Like I said I am no pro so definitely take these for whatever my amateur opinion is. @ILLINIWrestlingBlog @ionel @SocraTease The conference records I have listed are what they are against the other conference opponents who I think will be the starters. So Mike Carr for example wrestled who I believe will be the Minnesota backup and Maryland backup. So I didn't "count" them in his record but I tried to give "credit" for him beating those opponents. Same thing with PSU records. Illinois Thoughts/Reasoning 125 the bottom 5 got weird to me and I definitely could be off. Lujan has a coaches ranking in the top 30 but lost to Steen (PSU). Lujan (MSU) beat Moran (IND) and then Moran beat Vespa (PSU) as Steen didn't wrestle so that is one where it doesn't technically appear on Steen's season record form but I would think it is fair to ding Steen for a "loss." Renteria's (ILL) win was against the MSU backup so I don't know how that factors into the equation? Will definitely be interesting. For Lucas Byrd, that was an interesting one because Mendez beat him but it was back at the MSU open in the very first weekend of the season. Mendez also has the #9 coaches rank and Byrd the #10 and Mendez only has the loss to RBY who Byrd didn't wrestle but there is definitely an argument for Byrd if seeding only goes off of dual meets in conference. 141 got all mixed up from 4-11 with results and that isn't the only weight class this happened. I can definitely see the argument a lot of different ways. Looking at this again I could definitely see Bergeland being lower than I have. Based on my "seeds" #4 Tal-Shahar: Wins: #5, #6, #9, #11 | Losses: #7 #5 Bergeland: Wins: #7, #11 | Losses: #4, #8 #6 Olivieri: Wins: #9, #10 Losses: #4 #7 Pucino: Wins: #4, #8 | Losses: #5 #8 Filius: Wins: #5, #9 | Losses: #7, #11 #9 D'Emilio: Wins: 2-1 #10 | Losses: #4, #6, #8 #10 Mattin: Wins: 1-2 vs. #9, #11 | Losses #6 #11 Zargo: Wins: #8 | Losses: #4, #5, #10

Don't worry Zeke will find a way to mess that up

Is there a maximum number of ellipses allowed on the board... Per thread... Per post... Per member... per day... week... lifetime ??? Asking for a friend...

I am traveling and BTN won't allow me to watch the match off my cable package remotely so I am left to radio. Grace and Ironside are a nice team together and very pleasant but, geez, they literally don't seem to understand the basic necessities of a radio broadcast. It's like watching the match with two cool buddies commenting. Except I'm not watching, all I've got is their commentary, which only occasionally includes painting a verbal picture of the match, or mentioning things like scores, time, who's doing what move, etc. It would be perfect to listen to synced up to a TV broadcast. But alas.

I know refs officially don't call top stalling, but it'd be better if they would.

I hope they stop with the woo'ing soon

Earlier you used a freestyle match that was the furthest thing from a stall fest as a comparison of what would happen today and then claim the match would be a stall fest? Get it together LJB

Hence, the reason why there will be NO Fix/Lee matchup. (Post season beckons, and the 4th NCAA crown is in the mix.) D3

Too much weight and bad knees and cardio concern. Fix every time at 133.

This is a disingenuous answer. You pretending that being a jerk is equal to unsportsmanlike conduct is playing make believe. Tons of stuff is being a jerk but doesn't come close to the level of unsportsmanlike conduct. The actual rule says unsportsmanlike conduct, includes, but is not limited to, such acts as failure to comply with the direction of the referee, pushing, shoving, swearing, taunting, intimidation, baiting an opponent, throwing ear guards or any other equipment, spitting, the clearing of the nasal passage in other than the proper receptacle, repeatedly dropping to one knee to break locked hands, indicating displeasure with a call, failure to keep shoulder straps up while on the mat and failure to comply with the end-of-match procedure. The closest application for a leg cradle (or for being a jerk in general) would be taunting or intimidation. But any ref that is trying to parse evil intent from appropriate actions is guilty of massive overreach. If the wrestler isn't actually doing something wrong, it is not the job of the ref to try to figure out if the right actions somehow have wrong intent.

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indeed

And so it ends https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2023/02/bellator-news-mma-pat-downey-cut-released-ncaa-division-1-wrestling

I was going to comment right after the dual, but I've earned my grey hair and decided to use my 12 hour rule and think before typing. "Knee jerking" can really be hard on an old mans knees. Another nail biter loss for the Tigers, but give credit where it is do, Okie State was better, and it's always hard to win on the road when a team is defending their home mat. I guess I ought to actually be happy this is a topic on a wrestling forum. I've followed Tiger wrestling long enough to remember the days when Okie State would just "roll the Tigers up in the mats!" To be able to be disappointed is actually a far cry better than the days of just accepting your "ass whooping." As much as Mizzou's coach Smith has improved the program, and I for one are grateful, I ask the question, "Is that a product of recruiting, and how much of that is development as a result of the program?" I guess this could be another thread topic for the forum, but how many of the current wrestlers in Mizzou's program came in as freshman and started and how much have they actually improved? How much is their success linked to their previous high school prep, and or club affiliation, compared to their success/growth in the Tiger system? Of course, this is my biased observation, but some of the Mizzou wrestlers have wrestled the same way from the day one and have not made the adjustments to beat the higher tier AA level wrestlers. Is that a knock on the coaching staff, a result of HEW, all the above? I'm sure this question is not exclusive to just the Mizzou program. Is it coincidental that two of the highest scoring Tiger wrestlers are Askren proteges and command a higher selection of technical weapons vs tactical strategy? I know you need a little of both and maybe I'm getting way off topic and should have waited another 12 hours before punching keys.

This is all assuming MU wrestles their normal lineup vs both teams, which knowing Smith is improbable. I've seen him rest guys and lose duals as a result (SDSU, UNI).

Here's what kills me about that. If you scroll down, you get: Kenneth Allen is the 282nd ranked of 291 Who are the 9 guys ranked LOWER than this guy?

Gotta say I loved watching that show. The full movie was way too much. But the show was pretty good, Great White North!! mspart

Well you no hockey always a coupla guys who fight reel hard but dont score sum guys work hard always tryin a score but these guys and I meen these guys they can deke an fight reel hard they get at er not like some slack score queens who get the dainties

Even bums need to make money. The question is why is there a guy that has a record of 3-21 still in the game? mspart

Nah, the only thing now is that everything is traceable. Back in the day they could claim they were 25-1 and there weren't many ways to disprove it. Now it is all digital.

Still using bums in the fight bidness, I see. I'd hoped that had died since my boxing days.