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Note: I have no inside information on seedings so these are merely just my best guesses but figured they could be good discussion starters. You can use the interactive brackets using the following letters: D, M, T, F (decision, major, tech, fall). Big Ten Interactive Bracket Seeding Gueses: Conference record is based on their record vs. who I have as projected starters at the same weight CR = NCAA Coaches Ranking RPI = NCAA RPI Ratings WS = WrestleStat Rankings 125 lbs. #1 Spencer Lee (IOWA) (14-0, 7-0 BIG) #2 Matt Ramos (PUR) (26-3, 5-1 BIG) #3 Liam Cronin (NEB) (18-3, 6-1 BIG) #4 Patrick McKee (MINN) (10-4, 3-4 BIG) #5 Eric Barnett (WIS) (16-5, 5-4 BIG) #6 Michael DeAugustino (NW) (6-6, 3-3 BIG) #7 Braxton Brown (MD) (21-3, 5-1 BIG) #8 Malik Heinselman (OSU) (20-4, 3-2 BIG) #9 Dean Peterson (RUT) (20-7, 5-4 BIG) #10 Jack Medley (MICH) (19-8, 5-4 BIG) #11 Gary Steen (PSU) (6-12, 1-5 BIG) #12 Tristan Lujan (MSU) (15-8, 1-6 BIG) #13 Jacob Moran (IND) (21-12, 0-7 BIG) #14 Maximo Renteria (ILL) (4-11, 0-7 BIG) 133 lbs. #1 Roman Bravo-Young (PSU) (13-0, 6-0 BIG) #2 Jesse Mendez (OSU) (13-3, 7-1 BIG) #3 Lucas Byrd (ILL) (23-3, 6-1 BIG) #4 Chris Cannon (NW) (15-6, 5-2 BIG) #5 Aaron Nagao (MINN) (15-3, 3-1 BIG) #6 Dylan Ragusin (MICH) (14-6, 3-3 BIG) #7 Joe Heilmann (RUT) (22-6, 3-4 BIG) #8 Brody Teske (IOWA) (6-2, 3-1 BIG) #9 Rayvon Foley (MSU) (12-8, 1-6 BIG) #10 Taylor Lamont (WIS) (9-12, 1-6 BIG) #11 Kyle Burwick (NEB) (13-7, 1-6 BIG) #12 Dustin Norris (PUR) (12-13, 2-4 BIG) #13 Henry Porter (IND) (20-7, 1-4 BIG) #14 King Sandoval (MD) (0-4, 0-3 BIG) 141 lbs. #1 Real Woods (IOWA) (13-0, 5-0 BIG) #2 Brock Hardy (NEB) (24-4, 7-1 BIG) #3 Beau Bartlett (PSU) (19-1, 5-1 BIG) #4 Frankie Tal-Shahar (NW) (10-4, 4-3 BIG) #5 Jake Bergeland (MINN) (13-7, 4-4 BIG) #6 Joey Olivieri (RUT) (13-4, 5-2 BIG) #7 Danny Pucino (ILL) (14-8, 3-2 BIG) #8 Parker Filius (PUR) (17-7, 4-3 BIG) #9 Dylan D'Emilio (OSU) (13-9, 5-6 BIG) #10 Cole Mattin (MICH) (13-6, 3-5 BIG) #11 Joseph Zargo (WIS) (9-10, 1-5 BIG) #12 Cayden Rooks (IND) (12-9, 1-5 BIG) #13 Jordan Hamdan (MSU) (21-11, 1-6 BIG) #14 Kal Miller (MD) (12-13, 1-6 BIG) 149 lbs. #1 Sammy Sasso (OSU) (22-2, 8-0 BIG) #2 Yahya Thomas (NW) (19-2, 7-2 BIG) #3 Austin Gomez (WIS) (10-2, 4-1 BIG) #4 Max Murin (IOWA) (17-3, 4-2 BIG) #5 Shayne VanNess (PSU) (15-4, 4-3 BIG) #6 Chance Lamer (MICH) (10-5, 1-2 BIG) #7 Michael Blockhus (MINN) (14-4, 4-3 BIG) #8 Graham Rooks (IND) (25-6, 3-4 BIG) #9 Ethen Miller (MD) (24-6, 4-3 BIG) #10 Anthony White (RUT) (12-11, 2-5 BIG) #11 Jake Harrier (ILL) (6-13, 2-4 BIG) #12 Peyton Omania (MSU) (13-11, 0-6 BIG) #13 Jayden Reynolds (PUR) (5-13, 0-5 BIG) #14 Dayne Morton (NEB) (5-12, 1-4 BIG) 157 lbs. #1 Peyton Robb (NEB) (23-0, 8-0 BIG) #2 Levi Haines (PSU) (20-1, 6-0 BIG) #3 Kendall Coleman (PUR) (26-3, 5-2 BIG) #4 Mike Carr (ILL) (4-0, 1-0 BIG) #5 Cobe Siebrecht (IOWA) (10-4, 4-3 BIG) #6 Chase Saldate (MSU) (22-4, 5-2 BIG) #7 Will Lewan (MICH) (16-5, 4-4 BIG) #8 Trevor Chumbley (NW) (21-5, 4-4 BIG) #9 Garrett Model (WIS) (15-7, 3-5 BIG) #10 Brayton Lee (MINN) (4-7, 1-5 BIG) #11 Derek Gilcher (IND) (22-10, 5-6 BIG) #12 Paddy Gallagher (OSU) (10-6, 2-6 BIG) #13 Andrew Clark (RUT) (17-13, 1-9 BIG) #14 Michael North (MD) (15-6, 0-3 BIG) 165 lbs. #1 Cameron Amine (MICH) (10-2, 4-1 BIG) #2 Dean Hamiti (WIS) (18-3, 5-1 BIG) #3 Patrick Kennedy (IOWA) (16-2, 4-1 BIG) #4 Alex Facundo (PSU) (16-2, 3-1 BIG) #5 Carson Kharchla (OSU) (9-3, 4-2 BIG) #6 Maxx Mayfield (NW) (21-9, 4-5 BIG) #7 Caleb Fish (MSU) (24-6, 5-3 BIG) #8 Andrew Sparks (MINN) (13-7, 1-2 BIG) #9 Danny Braunagel (ILL) (18-8, 2-4 BIG) #10 Bubba Wilson (NEB) (13-10, 1-6 BIG) #11 Nick South (IND) (9-6, 2-1 BIG) #12 Robert Kanniard (RUT) (4-3, 1-2 BIG) #13 John MartinBest (MD) (10-14, 1-4 BIG) #14 Cooper Noehre (PUR) (8-12, 0-4 BIG) 174 lbs. #1 Carter Starocci (PSU) (16-0, 8-0 BIG) #2 Michael Labriola (NEB) (24-0, 6-0 BIG) #3 Ethan Smith (OSU) (15-5, 6-2 BIG) #4 Bailee O'Reilly (MINN) (15-3, 4-1 BIG) #5 Edmond Ruth (ILL) (24-3, 5-3 BIG) #6 Donnell Washington (IND) (21-4, 5-3 BIG) #7 Troy Fisher (NW) (17-5, 3-2 BIG) #8 Nelson Brands (IOWA) (6-4, 0-3 BIG) #9 Max Maylor (MICH) (15-7, 3-5 BIG) #10 Jackson Turley (RUT) (8-10, 2-5 BIG) #11 Cesar Garza (MSU) (13-11, 1-7 BIG) #12 Dominic Solis (MD) (10-11, 0-6 BIG) #13 Joshua Otto (WIS) (6-14, 0-5 BIG) #14 Macarteny Parkinson (PUR) (9-13, 0-1 BIG) 184 lbs. #1 Aaron Brooks (PSU) (9-1, 4-0 BIG) #2 Kaleb Romero (OSU) (19-4, 4-1 BIG) #3 Isaiah Salazar (MINN) (15-1, 6-0 BIG) #4 Matt Finesilver (MICH) (20-5, 4-3 BIG) #5 Layne Malczewski (MSU) (21-3, 4-2 BIG) #6 Brian Soldano (RUT) (20-7, 5-4 BIG) #7 Abe Assad (IOWA) (15-2, 4-1 BIG) #8 Lenny Pinto (NEB) (19-7, 5-3 BIG) #9 Dylan Connell (ILL) (16-14, 2-6 BIG) #10 Tyler Dow (WIS) (7-11, 3-4 BIG) #11 Evan Bates (NW) (16-15, 1-6 BIG) #12 Ben Vanadia (PUR) (11-14, 2-7 BIG) #13 Clayton Fielden (IND) (8-12, 0-5 BIG) #14 Kevin Makosky (MD) (2-5, 0-2 BIG) 197 lbs. #1 Max Dean (PSU) (18-2, 7-0 BIG) #2 Silas Allred (NEB) (23-5, 7-1 BIG) #3 Cameron Caffey (MSU) (18-3, 5-2 BIG) #4 Zach Braunagel (ILL) (20-5, 8-3 BIG) #5 Braxton Amos (WIS) (16-5, 4-4 BIG) #6 Gavin Hoffman (OSU) (15-5, 3-3 BIG) #7 Jaxon Smith (MD) (15-5, 3-0 BIG) #8 Michial Foy (MINN) (13-8, 4-4 BIG) #9 Jacob Warner (IOWA) (13-4, 3-3 BIG) #10 Nick Willham (IND) (16-7, 2-4 BIG) #11 Billy Janzer (RUT) (6-10, 2-5 BIG) #12 Andrew Davison (NW) (16-11, 0-6 BIG) #13 Brendan Yatooma (MICH) (5-12, 0-7 BIG) #14 Hayden Filipovich (PUR) (5-19, 0-6 BIG) 285 lbs. #1 Mason Parris (MICH) (25-0, 7-0 BIG) #2 Greg Kerkvliet (PSU) (13-1, 5-1 BIG) #3 Anthony Cassioppi (IOWA) (17-2, 4-2 BIG) #4 Lucas Davison (NW) (18-2, 6-2 BIG) #5 Trent Hillger (WIS) (14-6, 5-4 BIG) #6 Jacob Bullock (IND) (18-4, 5-3 BIG) #7 Tate Orndorff (OSU) (11-5, 2-3 BIG) #8 Boone McDermott (RUT) (15-3, 2-1 BIG) #9 Jaron Smith (MD) (12-8, 4-3 BIG) #10 Hayden Copass (PUR) (6-7, 3-4 BIG) #11 Cale Davidson (NEB) (9-15, 1-5 BIG) #12 Garrett Joles (MINN) (12-11, 2-5 BIG) #13 Ryan Vasbinder (MSU) (15-12, 1-7 BIG) #14 Matt Wroblewski (ILL) (11-15, 0-7 BIG) Team Standings Based on Seeds (no bonus factor) 1. Penn State - 139.5 2. Iowa - 98 3. Ohio State - 89 4. Nebraska - 82 5. Northwestern - 76.5 6. Michigan - 71 7. Minnesota - 68.5 8. Wisconsin - 55 9. Illinois - 50.5 10. Michigan State - 36.5 11. Purdue - 33 12. Rutgers - 27 13. Indiana - 22 14. Maryland - 11.5

It warms my heart that people who want to watch a basketball game are having to watch the end of a dual meet.

I forgot to add... Intermat Forum thinks I'm a College Starter, so I got that goin' for me.

Between season tickets for my two favorite teams, subscriptions to all the various services I need to watch wrestling, YouTube TV, contributing to an RTC, tickets and hotels for the big dance, I end up spending thousands of dollars a year on wrestling, more than I do on all my other entertainment (and other things like books and education) combined. Then I sit down for 2 hours and watch a JV performance from Cornell, Ohio State, and Flo. Ultimately wondering what the hell am I doing with my life. Anyway, time to go to my BJJ class

I did thees in the past and hopefully people enjoyed them so I starting looking again at projections for conference tournaments while we wait for official seeds to be released in the coming weeks. Note: I have no inside information on seedings so these are merely just my best guesses. You can use the interactive brackets using the following letters: D, M, T, F (decision, major, tech, fall). ACC Interactive Bracket Seeding Gueses: Conference record is based on their record vs. who I have as projected starters at the same weight CR = NCAA Coaches Ranking RPI = NCAA RPI Ratings WS = WrestleStat Rankings 125 lbs. #1 Jack Wagner (UNC) (20-6, 2-1 ACC): 22 CR, 13 RPI, 31 WS #2 Jarrett Trombley (NCST) (11-6, 4-0 ACC): 29 CR, 31 RPI, 33 WS #3 Colton Camacho (PITT) (15-8, 2-2 ACC): 28 RPI, 32 WS #4 Eddie Ventresca (VT) (17-6, 3-1 ACC): 24 RPI, 26 WS #5 Patrick McCormick (UVA) (8-13, 1-4 ACC): 62 WS #6 Ethan Grimminger (DUKE) (0-8, 0-4 ACC): 76 WS 133 lbs. #1 Micky Phillippi (PITT) (12-2, 4-1 ACC): 6 CR, 10 WS #2 Sam Latona (VT) (22-5, 5-1 ACC): 7 CR, 6 RPI, 7 WS #3 Kai Orine (NCST) (12-5, 4-1 ACC): 20 CR, 16 RPI, 13 WS #4 Jace Palmer (UNC) (12-12, 1-4 ACC): 36 WS #5 Marlon Yarbrough (UVA) (6-8, 0-3 ACC): 55 WS #6 Logan Agin (DUKE) (4-12, 0-4 ACC): 72 WS 141 lbs. #1 Cole Matthews (PITT) (17-1, 3-0 ACC): 3 CR, 5 RPI, 1 WS #2 Ryan Jack (NCST) (19-2, 3-1 ACC): 6 CR, 2 RPI, 6 WS #3 Lachlan McNeil (UNC) (19-6, 3-3 ACC): 16 CR, 15 RPI, 10 WS #4 Tom Crook (VT) (14-7, 2-4 ACC): 10 CR, 16 RPI, 25 WS #5 Dylan Cedeno (UVA) (10-7, 0-2 ACC): 32 CR, 39 WS #6 Jarred Papscy (DUKE) (8-11, 0-1 ACC): 70 WS 149 lbs. #1 Caleb Henson (VT) (19-3, 0-0 ACC): 7 CR, 7 RPI, 4 WS #2 Jackson Arrington (NCST) (19-6, 3-1 ACC): 15 CR, 9 RPI, 13 WS #3 Jarod Verkleeren (UVA) (18-7, 3-2 ACC): 27 CR, 28 RPI, 25 WS #4 Tyler Badgett (PITT) (16-10, 1-3 ACC): 28 CR, 21 RPI, 36 WS #5 Zach Sherman (UNC) (4-3, 1-1 ACC): 29 WS #6 Patrick Rowland (DUKE) (12-15, 0-5 ACC): 70 WS 157 lbs. #1 Austin O'Connor (UNC) (16-0, 3-0 ACC): 3 CR, 2 WS #2 Bryce Andonian (VT) (7-1, 4-1 ACC): 3 WS #3 Ed Scott (NCST) (15-6, 3-2 ACC): 6 CR, 3 RPI, 6 WS #4 Dazjon Casto (PITT) (6-7, 2-2 ACC): 34 WS #5 Jake Keating (UVA) (5-8, 1-4 ACC): 38 WS #6 Logan Ferrero (DUKE) (3-9, 0-4 ACC): 69 WS 165 lbs. #1 Holden Heller (PITT) (12-5, 5-0 ACC): 23 CR, 10 RPI, 23 WS #2 Justin McCoy (UVA) (17-4, 3-1 ACC): 17 CR, 14 RPI, 16 WS #3 Matthew Singleton (NCST) (9-5, 3-1 ACC): 31 CR, 26 WS #4 Connor Brady (VT) (12-8, 2-3 ACC): 25 CR, 19 RPI, 27 WS #5 Joey Mazzara (UNC) (13-10, 1-5 ACC): 45 WS #6 Gabe Dinette (DUKE) (0-8, 0-4 ACC): 70 WS 174 lbs. #1 Mekhi Lewis (VT) (16-1, 3-0 ACC): 3 CR, 3 WS #2 Alex Falson (NCST) (15-6, 2-1 ACC): 32 CR, 26 WS #3 Luca Augustine (PITT) (13-8, 2-2 ACC): 30 CR, 16 RPI, 23 WS #4 Clay Lautt (UNC) (6-4, 1-2 ACC): 22 CR, 14 WS #5 Victor Marcelli (UVA) (10-11, 0-3 ACC): 61 WS #6 Conor Becker (DUKE) (5-12, 0-0 ACC): 74 WS 184 lbs. #1 Trent Hidlay (NCST) (18-1, 3-0 ACC): 3 CR, 1 RPI, 3 WS #2 Hunter Bolen (VT) (17-4, 2-2 ACC): 7 CR, 6 RPI, 7 WS #3 Gavin Kane (UNC) (19-5, 4-1 ACC): 12 CR, 8 RPI, 15 WS #4 Neil Antrassian (UVA) (21-7, 2-4 ACC): 17 CR, 20 RPI, 17 WS #5 Reece Heller (PITT) (16-6, 2-3 ACC): 16 CR, 13 RPI, 13 WS #6 Luke Chakonis (DUKE) (5-19, 0-3 ACC): 69 WS 197 lbs. #1 Nino Bonaccorsi (PITT) (14-0, 5-0 ACC): 1 CR, 4 WS #2 Andy Smith (VT) (13-6, 2-1 ACC): 21 CR, 8 RPI, 25 WS #3 Isaac Trumble (NCST) (17-3, 2-2 ACC): 6 CR, 5 RPI, 11 WS #4 Michael Battista (UVA) (24-9, 0-3 ACC): 23 CR, 15 RPI, 26 WS #5 Vincent Baker (DUKE) (6-5, 1-1 ACC): 57 WS #6 Max Shaw (UNC) (11-8, 0-3 ACC): 32 CR, 26 RPI, 50 WS 285 lbs. #1 Jonah Niesenbaum (DUKE) (23-3, 4-0 ACC): 19 CR, 19 RPI, 21 WS #2 Owen Trephan (NCST) (19-3, 2-0 ACC): 11 CR, 8 RPI, 8 WS #3 Hunter Catka (VT) (16-5, 2-2 ACC): 18 CR, 26 RPI, 24 WS #4 Jacob Slinger (PITT) (8-7, 0-1 ACC): 42 WS #5 Brandon Whitman (UNC) (9-15, 0-3 ACC): 54 WS #6 Ethan Weatherspoon (UVA) (5-12, 0-2 ACC): 64 WS Team Projections based on seed (no bonus factored) 1. NC State - 79 points 2. Virginia Tech - 76 points 3. Pittsburgh - 69.5 points 4. North Carolina - 42 points 5. Virginia - 21.5 points 6. Duke - 12 points

I would suspect if I were lucky I may be in the 20th percentile on here. I wrestled Jr High (I'm that old) in 7th and 8th grades. 9th grade was still Jr High but I made Varsity so another kid and I got bussed to the High School (that was a big deal). I thought I was hot crap till I got stuck in my first match. I was probably a little over .500 for 9, 10, 11 grades. My highlight was beating the defending Sectional champ from our crosstown rival in 11th grade. He also happened to be my girlfriend's brother and a pompous ass, so it was extra cool. I didn't go to HS after that. Oh, I just remembered... I won an intramural (?) tournament my second year in college, I think. All I remember is in the finals I beat another Physics major, so in hindsight the weight class probably wasn't loaded, lol.

I might be willing to bet against that

Yanni v Gomez would be a banger for the finale

In case we forgot, John Smith still hates his team.

Good idea and correct realistic understanding of how it won't happen. Although I think you couldn't go wrong with 165 last whoever the finalists are.

Agreed, it just never quite clicked for him.

Happy to see Emerson out there. Really thought he'd be a solid HWT but never cracked the lineup. Performed well losing 6-0 to Sgt Schultz

Keegan and Carr spoke up before their match. Gave us confidence they would wrestle. Easy to do now. Just need one to ‘call out’ the other on Twitter or something else. Can do it respectfully. Maybe we need a hero that will track if wrestlers are publicly committing to wrestle big(ger) matches. If no public commitment, we can increase odds of it not happening and not change other plans to try and watch. Hero can even be the one to prompt commits / replies. Respected voice - tweets out to both guys. See if a firm and positive response comes back. Sucks to have to look for something like this. This likely won’t work. But hey .. spitballing.

Allred with bushels of offense

Valencia wrestling his best match of the year.

Mightve been pinned, ref on the wrong side.

I see... pretzel logic is being used. D3

Helpful hint to 157s: If Haines gets the Turk and you try to use your other leg to bridge, he’s going to try to make your head and foot touch each other. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I spend 8 months out the year making fun of the old lady for how much time and energy she wastes reading OK magazine and caring so much about celebrity relationships. The other 4 months I totally understand her.

Too much weight and bad knees and cardio concern. Fix every time at 133.

Dolph Lundgren Hayden Hidlay

Intermat has elevated me to a state qualifier - my crowing achievement! I did not get close to that back in the day!

why any "fan" of wrestling would want to cancel Flo is beyond me, but... for some people this world 'aint never gonna be right...

Bigger issues than abortion - I agree. Politicians and lawyers shouldn't make our medical choices for us. Any and all medical decisions should be made by us and our doctors, including abortion and everything else. Our medical choices need to be left in our hands. Medical freedom is far more important than any political party. We shouldn't entrust our medical decisions to politicians and lawyers - they are the most untrustworthy of all.

Sioredas is a very good coach. When he was hired some were shocked but he’s one the most respected technicians in the country

You're not embarrassed by that?

Any business that isn't a scam should process customer cancellations without drama. I don't want to reenter new credit card information for every site I use.

Yup, this is the answer. I guess PSU fans might argue Cassar since he beat him and left eligibility on the table as well

And, how is it easier? I try to not expose myself to identity theft as much as possible by paying cash in person, etc. I also probably buy less online than most. Even with that I bet there's a dozen companies I'd have to change my CC info with. I know because my wife and I moved and I had to update our address on more places than I thought. But... "To each his own" said the old lady as she kissed the cow.

Why should someone cancel a credit card in order to cancel a subscription? How is that personal accountability?

They both got majorly screwed in their quest for truly notable careers with the rare feat of four finals. But to me the big victims were Pletcher, Moore, and Lugo. All three of them had put it all together in their last year, looked like the best at their weights, but never got the chance to win their elusive national championship.

Ferrari took his only college loss to Noah Adams which went on to foreshadow how the police would be bringing him down

I give you the Swinging Gate of Death. Section of fence mounted on a poIe (it had grease fittings top and bottom). Had to ride my Huffy four miles to get to this. The slide was behind me in this pic, only twelve feet off the ground and emptied into a dirt pit, carved out from the tears of the weak and the brave.

Pretty damn boring dual to be honest. Lots of ducking....

That’s not really how business operations works in the legal or customer experiences realms though. I’m going to get a bit personal when I say that I get your tough guy schtick and applaud the consistency no matter how many ellipses must be sacrificed, but maybe just once don’t mash the send button before thinking “does this help our niche sport’s bigger picture?”

May not be too late to join the class action: https://www.classaction.org/media/hill-v-flosports-inc.pdf

I know. He just can't catch a break. The world always seems to be against the great ones. Jim Jones, David Koresh, Jim and Tammy Faye, Paul Reubens, Trump...

i do not disagree... and i know the common thread in all of the issues... i just do not dislike him personally... there is a special place in my heart for psychos who do not fit into this world anymore...

I feel bad for this Trump fellow. He gives and he gives but these media people are mean AF to him. They can't simply "Be Best". SAD!!!

As of right now, there are 27 teams that have a chance at multiple All-Americans based on the average rank across Intermat, Flo, and Wrestlestat. Some of those teams are near certainties while others have a remote chance. To come up with the list I averaged everyone's rank across the three services. Then assuming ranks are equivalent to seeds (they won't be), I applied the historic seed results to determine the likelihood a given seed will AA. I have posted that likelihood graph before, but here it is again for reference. There is no surprise that PSU, Iowa and Nebraska are the top three. But Nebraska has the least room for error among the top 10 teams. Only PSU and Nebraska are expected to get more than 50% of their ranked wrestlers on the podium (71.6% and 58.7%, respectively). Purdue falls just short. Note: People always struggle with the decimals in this. What does 0.44 of a wrestler look like, they ask? Since these are probabilities the best way to think of it is the decimal represents the probability of rounding up and one minus the decimal represents the probability of rounding down. Using PSU as an example, they have a 56% probability of 6 AA's and a 44% probability of 7 AA's (that oversimplifies a bit in that it assumes those are the only two possible outcomes - they are not). I will update this when the actual NCAA seeds come out.

Cilantro is way overused nowadays. I understand it tastes like soap to some people, it doesn't for me I just think everything has too much cilantro.

They still have fun. Cael told everyone to shut up about it so everyone else doesn't feel so bad. mspart

Took a class with Terry Davis, the author, where we studied his book. I think he’d say that Louden was a curious observer of the human condition. He found homosexuality interesting, precisely because it was so foreign to him. He was not embarrassed to discuss or acknowledge those aspects of life/wrestling, just as he was not ashamed to admit he was obsessed with vaginas/women. His grandfather was a model of masculinity, which he also felt he didn’t meet, but that whole relationship was largely ignored in the screenplay.

I appreciate the support.

A lot of 80s movies had some homoerotic overtones. I blame it on all the cocaine.

This makes me think back many years to a friend I had in college. We were both struggling to make any sense of some BS Social Science elective we were taking. I think it was Philosophy, Psycology or something where we were always looking for the reasons behind our actions. One day in class the professor brought up baseball players spitting. He explained that there were various reasons for it. The only two I can remember were because everyone else was doing it you had to follow along, and because someone you admired did it. My buddy muttered "Sometimes you just gotta spit" just loud enough so everyone could hear it. The class roared its approval. Sometimes you can way overthink things. Sometimes you just gotta spit. Sometimes you gotta strip to make weight. End of story. I sure didn't see all of this in the movie. Ignorance is Bliss, I guess.

Huh, I guess every guy who gets down to skivvies for weigh ins or naked in the locker room or scouts his opponent should be thought of the same way. Quite a good chance they are gay. Thanks for posting this. Really making me think. Didn’t see any mention of the privileged white racism that never was addressed in the movie. Step up your game. (eye roll)