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[fishbane]

  21 hours ago, Winners Circle said:

*I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* you're right. That slipped by me. 43.7% + 58.7% + 60.4% = 162.8% of college students. Lmao

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Yeah he was citing the cumulative distribution.  I think 43.7% also includes students who graduate earlier than 4 years.  The most common number of years it takes to graduate is 4.  He is wrong that 6 is the norm.

[Voice of the Quakers]

  21 hours ago, Winners Circle said:

Because they chose to be different than regular students. I didn't read the rest of your post because I didn't need to. 

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This attitude is why college sports will have the Power 4 conferences, the Ivy League, and nothing else in a few years.

[ionel]

  21 hours ago, fishbane said:

I'm not sure this is being interpreted correctly.  It's a skewed distribution.  Many students never graduate.  The tail is long.  43.7% of students graduated in 4 years.  15% more graduated in 5.  Only 1.7% graduated in 6.  The other 39.6% possibly never graduated, but definitely more than 6 years.  A majority of college graduates graduate in 4 years.  I think.

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What about graduate in 3 years?  Or half year 3.5, 4.5 etc? 

[Caveira]

  21 hours ago, fishbane said:

Yeah he was citing the cumulative distribution.  I think 43.7% also includes students who graduate earlier than 4 years.  The most common number of years it takes to graduate is 4.  He is wrong that 6 is the norm.

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This is a sport with a fanbase that normalizes doing 8th grade twice and saying that is common : ok for athletic “growth” or “awesome-sauce”.  
 

academics is often not the first priority of this particular fan base.  

[Dark Energy]

You folks that can’t understand a cumulative set of percentages make me sad.

 

[Winners Circle]

  21 hours ago, Voice of the Quakers said:

This attitude is why college sports will have the Power 4 conferences, the Ivy League, and nothing else in a few years.

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Are you delusional? When I say that college students are different than regular students, I meant that they are held to a higher standard, WHICH THEY SHOULD BE. If it's too much for you, then be a regular student. There's nothing wrong with that. But if you want to be a college athlete, here's your expectations. Your life WILL BE HARDER and it should be.

[Dark Energy]

The answer is four years of eligibility for everyone.  Done.  Over.  No exceptions.  Sports just aren’t that important.  Foster growing up and being productive members of society.  If you want to stay / be in entertainment (sports), that is cool!  Graduate and make that your job.

Adults that live their lives vicariously through young athletes and adults who are $$$$ hungry have allowed great distortions in the mission of an academic institution.  It’s crap.

[Winners Circle]

  21 hours ago, Dark Energy said:

You folks that can’t understand a cumulative set of percentages make me sad.

 

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Trust me, I understand clearly. The 43.7% that graduate in 4 years, carries over and makes up the majority of the 58.7% that graduates in 5 years (with 15% additional percent). But he tried to play that off as the majority of students graduate in 5 years. That's not true. Only 15% needed the extra year. 

[Voice of the Quakers]

  21 hours ago, Winners Circle said:

Are you delusional? When I say that college students are different than regular students, I meant that they are held to a higher standard, WHICH THEY SHOULD BE. If it's too much for you, then be a regular student. There's nothing wrong with that. But if you want to be a college athlete, here's your expectations. Your life WILL BE HARDER and it should be.

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College athletes are generally not held to academic standards at all anymore.

https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/us/unc-report-academic-fraud/index.html

https://alumni.unc.edu/news/ncaa-no-significant-violations/#:~:text=The NCAA's Committee on Infractions,University will not be sanctioned.

[Winners Circle]

  21 hours ago, Voice of the Quakers said:

College athletes are generally not held to academic standards at all anymore.

https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/us/unc-report-academic-fraud/index.html

https://alumni.unc.edu/news/ncaa-no-significant-violations/#:~:text=The NCAA's Committee on Infractions,University will not be sanctioned.

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I saw CNN and that was all I needed to see. Lmao

[Coastal]

With the College in High School ability to earn credits, anyone who wants can easily graduate in 3 1/2 years.   A lot of student opt for 4 as more companies are looking for employees then and grad schools typically start in the fall so December graduations don't really have a huge advantage.

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[dragit]

  22 hours ago, Spencerlee said:

Imagine if Iowa had the ability to still have Spencer and Real Woods. That’s a team title.

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This year? Doubt it. It would help a lot but they would need A WHOLE LOT of help.

[ionel]

Explain how Steveson got 5 chances (7 years total) to win 4 b10s yet Hamiti who didn't get a chance at his 4th HS title only gets 4 years to compete.  Remember too that Gable voluntarily took two years off to pursue other athletic interests using fictitious redshirts to get back into the game.   

[Idaho]

  20 hours ago, ionel said:

Explain how Steveson got 5 chances (7 years total) to win 4 b10s yet Hamiti who didn't get a chance at his 4th HS title only gets 4 years to compete.  Remember too that Gable voluntarily took two years off to pursue other athletic interests using fictitious redshirts to get back into the game.   

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He wrestled 4 years straight w/o a redshirt, with one of them being the free year in 2021 - so 3 years of eligibility. He had a redshirt and an Olympic redshirt available to him. He came back after those two years for his 4th year of eligibility and a total of 5 with the free year in 2021. 

Hamiti's first year was 2022 after the free year...he never redshirted... he's wrestled 4 years.

Brennan took a medical shirt ( or so he thought) in 2021, the year it was a free year to wrestle. That's the difference for Brennan. 

[BruceyB]

  21 hours ago, Winners Circle said:

Trust me, I understand clearly. The 43.7% that graduate in 4 years, carries over and makes up the majority of the 58.7% that graduates in 5 years (with 15% additional percent). But he tried to play that off as the majority of students graduate in 5 years. That's not true. Only 15% needed the extra year. 

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You get it now. You didn't get it until someone else pointed it out. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

  22 hours ago, Spencerlee said:

Imagine if Iowa had the ability to still have Spencer and Real Woods. That’s a team title.

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Right now Iowa is looking at a 79 point deficit. It would take more than just Spencer Lee and Real Woods pinfalling their way through a bracket to get there.

[ionel]

  19 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Right now Iowa is looking at a 79 point deficit. It would take more than just Spencer Lee and Real Woods pinfalling their way through a bracket to get there.

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16 place + 5x1 adv + 5x2 pin + 5x2 fall = 41 pt x 2 = 82pts

its possible 

[Greenwave]

Dow we know when the decision will be made?

[BruceyB]

  19 hours ago, ionel said:

16 place + 5x1 adv + 5x2 pin + 5x2 fall = 41 pt x 2 = 82pts

its possible 

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I could be mistaken but I believe there is no advancement point for winning in the finals. I believe 30 is the maximum amount an individual can score at NCAAs

You also included both wrestlers bonus before multiplying.

16 place + 4 adv + 10 bonus = 30 x 2 = 60 points.

[Mike]

  19 hours ago, Greenwave said:

Dow we know when the decision will be made?

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It seems egregious that it's taken this long already..

[ionel]

  18 hours ago, BruceyB said:

I could be mistaken but I believe there is no advancement point for winning in the finals. I believe 30 is the maximum amount an individual can score at NCAAs

You also included both wrestlers bonus before multiplying.

16 place + 4 adv + 10 bonus = 30 x 2 = 60 points.

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You forgot the 2 pts x falls thats 10 more x 2 wrestler = 20. 

[VakAttack]

  18 hours ago, Mike said:

It seems egregious that it's taken this long already..

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He's still in the bracket as of today.

[Spencerlee]

  19 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Right now Iowa is looking at a 79 point deficit. It would take more than just Spencer Lee and Real Woods pinfalling their way through a bracket to get there.

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Don't think Barr is close to healthy, so I think that deficit would shrink a bit in this hypothetical situation.

[dragit]

  18 hours ago, Spencerlee said:

Don't think Barr is close to healthy, so I think that deficit would shrink a bit in this hypothetical situation.

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So take away 20 more points from PSU and you're still way short in what is a total fantasy hypothetical anyway. Also playing by your rules Brooks would get to wrestle this year, so good luck with that, he would score 20 points blindfolded.

[Spencerlee]

  15 hours ago, dragit said:

So take away 20 more points from PSU and you're still way short in what is a total fantasy hypothetical anyway. Also playing by your rules Brooks would get to wrestle this year, so good luck with that, he would score 20 points blindfolded.

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It’s not “my rules” it’s literally what Little Rock did this year.