Brennan

[cowcards]

2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

No one should ever get 5 post seasons.   It’s all we’re going to hear about at NCAAs this year too.   Every lead in, etc….. 

Just wait until the NCAA goes to 5 years and eliminates redshirting...

[BarSeries]

19 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I don't think they knew how long the thing was going to last.  That affected decision making.

Surely if a senior had 3 NCAA championships and going for his fourth in 2020 they would have done something different eh?

[GimJustafan]

1 minute ago, cowcards said:

Just wait until the NCAA goes to 5 years and eliminates redshirting...

was just thinking same thing 

[1032004]

3 minutes ago, cowcards said:

Just wait until the NCAA goes to 5 years and eliminates redshirting...

Maybe this will help speed that up!  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

11 minutes ago, BarSeries said:

Surely if a senior had 3 NCAA championships and going for his fourth in 2020 they would have done something different eh?

It was for all sports.

[Winners Circle]

32 minutes ago, Spencerlee said:

Imagine if Iowa had the ability to still have Spencer and Real Woods. That’s a team title.

Lol. No it isn't. 

[Winners Circle]

28 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

this isn't difficult.

Is he in or out? @Husker_Du

[Voice of the Quakers]

20 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Maybe this will help speed that up!  

This is where college sport is and should be going. Most undergraduates take five years to graduate; athletic eligibility should be in line with the typical student experience.

The fight over eliminating redshirting is going to be intense. What about injuries? Gap years? Religious missions? Olympic training? The sob stories will be infinite. But, we have to get rid of the 7th and 8th year seniors. The lengthening of the college career is limiting opportunities for graduating high schoolers and professionalizing college sports further than needed. 

[Winners Circle]

2 minutes ago, Voice of the Quakers said:

This is where college sport is and should be going. Most undergraduates take five years to graduate; athletic eligibility should be in line with the typical student experience.

The fight over eliminating redshirting is going to be intense. What about injuries? Gap years? Religious missions? Olympic training? The sob stories will be infinite. But, we have to get rid of the 7th and 8th year seniors. The lengthening of the college career is limiting opportunities for graduating high schoolers and professionalizing college sports further than needed. 

Lmao. I'm not sure about this.

[fishbane]

4 minutes ago, Voice of the Quakers said:

The sob stories will be infinite. But, we have to get rid of the 7th and 8th year seniors. The lengthening of the college career is limiting opportunities for graduating high schoolers and professionalizing college sports further than needed. 

Dean Hamiti has lost more than Tyler Brennan.  Hamiti competed as a true freshman after graduating from high school in 2021.  This year he lost to Keegan O'Toole in the Big 12 final.  O'Toole was participating in his 5th Big 12 Championship.  Last year Hamiti lost to David Carr and Izzak Olejnik at NCAAs, both were competing in their 5th NCAA postseason.  The high school class of 2021 got a much different competitive landscape than any before it.

[Voice of the Quakers]

9 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

Lmao. I'm not sure about this.

Six years is actually becoming the norm, but I don't want to see college sports go that far.

If your student finds they need an extra year to finish college, they are not alone. According to the U.S. Department of Education, in 2020 43.7% of students completed college in four years, 58.7% finished after 5 years, and 60.4% took 6 years. Many students finish college on individualized, unconventional timelines.

https://collegiateparent.com/academics/5th-year-of-college-part-1/#:~:text=According to the U.S. Department,and 60.4% took 6 years.Much 

[Winners Circle]

Just now, Voice of the Quakers said:

Six years is actually becoming the norm, but I don't want to see college sports go that far.

If your student finds they need an extra year to finish college, they are not alone. According to the U.S. Department of Education, in 2020 43.7% of students completed college in four years, 58.7% finished after 5 years, and 60.4% took 6 years. Many students finish college on individualized, unconventional timelines.

https://collegiateparent.com/academics/5th-year-of-college-part-1/#:~:text=According to the U.S. Department,and 60.4% took 6 years.Much 

Skewed by regular students that don't have an eligibility time clock. If you know you have 4 years of eligibility, you get your degree quicker. I don't think that's a difficult concept to grasp. 

I did not have one teammate in college that struggled to get their degree in 4 years. Everyone that got their degree in 5, did so because they redshirted and knew they had an extra year to play with.

[fishbane]

1 minute ago, Voice of the Quakers said:

Six years is actually becoming the norm, but I don't want to see college sports go that far.

If your student finds they need an extra year to finish college, they are not alone. According to the U.S. Department of Education, in 2020 43.7% of students completed college in four years, 58.7% finished after 5 years, and 60.4% took 6 years. Many students finish college on individualized, unconventional timelines.

https://collegiateparent.com/academics/5th-year-of-college-part-1/#:~:text=According to the U.S. Department,and 60.4% took 6 years.Much 

I'm not sure this is being interpreted correctly.  It's a skewed distribution.  Many students never graduate.  The tail is long.  43.7% of students graduated in 4 years.  15% more graduated in 5.  Only 1.7% graduated in 6.  The other 39.6% possibly never graduated, but definitely more than 6 years.  A majority of college graduates graduate in 4 years.  I think.

[Voice of the Quakers]

Just now, Winners Circle said:

Skewed by regular students that don't have an eligibility time clock. If you know you have 4 years of eligibility, you get your degree quicker. I don't think that's a difficult concept to grasp. 

I did not have one teammate in college that struggled to get their degree in 4 years. Everyone that got their degree in 5, did so because they redshirted and knew they had an extra year to play with.

Why should we treat athletes different than regular students? The issues we have in college sports right now is that we don't treat athletes like regular students. Schools are accepting transfers - even in wrestling - they know will not graduate and are not working toward degrees. Likewise, normal students have power of contract, but not athletes. It all has to change.

[Winners Circle]

1 minute ago, fishbane said:

I'm not sure this is being interpreted correctly.  It's a skewed distribution.  Many students never graduate.  The tail is long.  43.7% of students graduated in 4 years.  15% more graduated in 5.  Only 1.7% graduated in 6.  The other 39.6% possibly never graduated, but definitely more than 6 years.  A majority of college graduates graduate in 4 years.  I think.

*I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* you're right. That slipped by me. 43.7% + 58.7% + 60.4% = 162.8% of college students. Lmao

[Winners Circle]

1 minute ago, Voice of the Quakers said:

Why should we treat athletes different than regular students? The issues we have in college sports right now is that we don't treat athletes like regular students. Schools are accepting transfers - even in wrestling - they know will not graduate and are not working toward degrees. Likewise, normal students have power of contract, but not athletes. It all has to change.

Because they chose to be different than regular students. I didn't read the rest of your post because I didn't need to. 

[flyingcement]

58 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

And that is one of the major differences.  Brennan was extremely under the radar.

I think he was as good as someone could be while fans not noticing his eligibility

[fishbane]

1 minute ago, Winners Circle said:

*I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* you're right. That slipped by me. 43.7% + 58.7% + 60.4% = 162.8% of college students. Lmao

Yeah he was citing the cumulative distribution.  I think 43.7% also includes students who graduate earlier than 4 years.  The most common number of years it takes to graduate is 4.  He is wrong that 6 is the norm.

[Voice of the Quakers]

3 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

Because they chose to be different than regular students. I didn't read the rest of your post because I didn't need to. 

This attitude is why college sports will have the Power 4 conferences, the Ivy League, and nothing else in a few years.

[ionel]

7 minutes ago, fishbane said:

I'm not sure this is being interpreted correctly.  It's a skewed distribution.  Many students never graduate.  The tail is long.  43.7% of students graduated in 4 years.  15% more graduated in 5.  Only 1.7% graduated in 6.  The other 39.6% possibly never graduated, but definitely more than 6 years.  A majority of college graduates graduate in 4 years.  I think.

What about graduate in 3 years?  Or half year 3.5, 4.5 etc? 

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Yeah he was citing the cumulative distribution.  I think 43.7% also includes students who graduate earlier than 4 years.  The most common number of years it takes to graduate is 4.  He is wrong that 6 is the norm.

This is a sport with a fanbase that normalizes doing 8th grade twice and saying that is common : ok for athletic “growth” or “awesome-sauce”.  
 

academics is often not the first priority of this particular fan base.  

[Dark Energy]

You folks that can’t understand a cumulative set of percentages make me sad.

 

[Winners Circle]

4 minutes ago, Voice of the Quakers said:

This attitude is why college sports will have the Power 4 conferences, the Ivy League, and nothing else in a few years.

Are you delusional? When I say that college students are different than regular students, I meant that they are held to a higher standard, WHICH THEY SHOULD BE. If it's too much for you, then be a regular student. There's nothing wrong with that. But if you want to be a college athlete, here's your expectations. Your life WILL BE HARDER and it should be.

[Dark Energy]

The answer is four years of eligibility for everyone.  Done.  Over.  No exceptions.  Sports just aren’t that important.  Foster growing up and being productive members of society.  If you want to stay / be in entertainment (sports), that is cool!  Graduate and make that your job.

Adults that live their lives vicariously through young athletes and adults who are $$$$ hungry have allowed great distortions in the mission of an academic institution.  It’s crap.

[Winners Circle]

2 minutes ago, Dark Energy said:

You folks that can’t understand a cumulative set of percentages make me sad.

 

Trust me, I understand clearly. The 43.7% that graduate in 4 years, carries over and makes up the majority of the 58.7% that graduates in 5 years (with 15% additional percent). But he tried to play that off as the majority of students graduate in 5 years. That's not true. Only 15% needed the extra year.