Brennan

[ionel]

24 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Lot of mistakes being made.  Compliance personnel, coaches, and the athlete can't count to 4?  My guess is at least one of those parties knew what was going on.

Look at Brennan's record on WS and then Starocci's.  Very subtle difference in why one gets 4 and one gets 5.  I have no idea why they needed to give Starocci 5.  

[ionel]

22 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

 

maybe its the bourbon 

[1032004]

58 minutes ago, BarSeries said:

Alternative is following the rules. 

This is the NCAA, there are no rules anymore 

[Winners Circle]

17 minutes ago, ionel said:

Look at Brennan's record on WS and then Starocci's.  Very subtle difference in why one gets 4 and one gets 5.  I have no idea why they needed to give Starocci 5.  

Yes. The subtle difference is that one of Starocci's 5 was 2021. Not the case for Brennan.

Edited March 14, 2025 by Winners Circle

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

20 minutes ago, ionel said:

Look at Brennan's record on WS and then Starocci's.  Very subtle difference in why one gets 4 and one gets 5.  I have no idea why they needed to give Starocci 5.  

I am FAR from Starocci's biggest fan, but even I can see a clear difference.  I'm also not an NCAA compliance officer, but I know that a lot of someones made a huge mistake.

Should Cael get a 5th year?

[fishbane]

27 minutes ago, ionel said:

Look at Brennan's record on WS and then Starocci's.  Very subtle difference in why one gets 4 and one gets 5.  I have no idea why they needed to give Starocci 5.  

It makes less sense looking at it retrospectively.   The thinking at the time was that very few athletes would choose to compete in 2020-2021 if they were risking a year of eligibility to do so.  The season could have been cancelled midseason or an untimely positive covid test result could prevent a wrestler from taking part in the post season.  It was done to incentivize competition that year.  Starocci was able to take advantage that year.  Unfortunately Brennan was not.

[fishbane]

28 minutes ago, Coastal said:

You missed the IF they competed in the 2021 championships.    The class that got screwed into only three chances, of which Hall and Joseph were a part, did not compete in 2021.

You wrote "A wrestler may compete in 5 post seasons if one of those were the 2021 championships unless they competed in the 2020 championships."  As I said that isn't exactly right.  The way it's written it gets the right answer for Hall and Joseph, but the incorrect answer for Steven and Brooks.  Both Brooks and Steveson wrestled in 5 post seasons INCLUDING the 2020 postseason.  By your statement that would not be allowed. 

Edited March 14, 2025 by fishbane

[ionel]

16 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

Yes. The subtle difference is that one of Starocci's 5 was 2021. Not the case for Brennan.

and apparently someone made a mistake on that subtle difference.  

[BarSeries]

What was the reasoning on not giving seniors an extra year?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, BarSeries said:

What was the reasoning on not giving seniors an extra year?

I don't think they knew how long the thing was going to last.  That affected decision making.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

6 minutes ago, ionel said:

and apparently someone made a mistake on that subtle difference.  

It is kind of a big deal, especially when it is that person's job.  Do you think the kid or his teammates or his coaches didn't have an inkling that something was a bit fishy?  JV Rader did, for crying out loud!

[fishbane]

5 minutes ago, BarSeries said:

What was the reasoning on not giving seniors an extra year?

Seniors at least in wrestling only missed one date.  They competed essentially a full season.  I think it was also a multi sport decision and the post season is more limited or less important in other sports.  Spring athletes who missed the entire season got their eligibility extended.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, fishbane said:

Seniors at least in wrestling only missed one date.  They competed essentially a full season.  I think it was also a multi sport decision and the post season is more limited or less important in other sports.  Spring athletes who missed the entire season got their eligibility extended.

Yes.  And they/we were making it up as we went along.  For about two years.

[ionel]

3 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

It is kind of a big deal, especially when it is that person's job.  Do you think the kid or his teammates or his coaches didn't have an inkling that something was a bit fishy?  JV Rader did, for crying out loud!

LR just started their program correct?  Did they hire a new compliance officer for wrestling or just load the duties on someone already on staff?  Or do you think it was an evil conspiracy to win a team trophy?  How does it compare to compliance looking the other way when top 5 programs have exceeded scholarship limits? 

[Spencerlee]

Imagine if Iowa had the ability to still have Spencer and Real Woods. That’s a team title.

[fishbane]

16 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Yes.  And they/we were making it up as we went along.  For about two years.

For any senior that didn't qualify for NCAAs in 2020 they missed absolutely nothing.  Do you only award an extra year for the NCAA qualifiers?  

Back to the topic of the thread Tyler Brennan didn't qualify for NCAAs in 2020.  He missed absolutely nothing that year.  Why should he get another year?  I mean he had the opportunity to get a free year in 2021 and couldn't use it.  I think it sends the wrong message to let him wrestle because it incentivizes trying to break the rules.  If no one notices before the conference tournament then you're good to go. 

Edited March 14, 2025 by fishbane

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, ionel said:

LR just started their program correct?  Did they hire a new compliance officer for wrestling or just load the duties on someone already on staff?  Or do you think it was an evil conspiracy to win a team trophy?  How does it compare to compliance looking the other way when top 5 programs have exceeded scholarship limits? 

How many people do you need to count "1 year, 2 years, 3 years, 4 years... ok, eligibility expired"? 40 kids on their roster.  I'm guessing it doesn't take a lot of work to make sure 40 kids haven't used more than 4 years.  No one in their program could accurately count to 4?

[cowcards]

2 hours ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

No. I'm confused and asking.   Why has he already wrestled 5 championships and why is he the only wrestler in this situation?

Only wrestlers who competed in 2021 were given a free year and those wrestlers are the only ones allowed to wrestle in 5 postseason tournaments. 

Brennan wrestled in 2020, 2022, 2023, & 2024. That uses his 4 years of eligibility. He didn't compete during 2021, he redshirted, so he didn't get the free year.

Even if he did compete during 2021, 2024 would've been his last year of eligibility unless he redshirted in any of 2022, 2023, 2024. 

He wasn't allowed to wrestle in 2025, but a few people (coaches, little rock compliance/athletic department, PAC 10 conference) messed up his eligibility checks. There is a world where people would just assume that EVERYONE got the free year no matter what if they were enrolled in 2021. Not at that level or this far out though. 

Hope that makes more sense. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, fishbane said:

For any senior that didn't qualify for NCAAs in 2020 they missed absolutely nothing.  Do you only award an extra year for the NCAA qualifiers?  

Back to the topic of the thread Tyler Brennan didn't qualify for NCAAs in 2020.  He missed absolutely nothing that year.  Why should he get another year?  I mean he had the opportunity to get a free year in 2021 and couldn't use it.  I think it sends the wrong message to let him wrestle because it incentivizes trying to break the rules.  If no one notices before the conference tournament then you good to go. 

I see a lot of people not caring about rules these days.  

[fishbane]

1 minute ago, Spencerlee said:

Imagine if Iowa had the ability to still have Spencer and Real Woods. That’s a team title.

One of them trying to sneak in an extra year would have attracted attention earlier in the season.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, fishbane said:

One of them trying to sneak in an extra year would have attracted attention earlier in the season.

And that is one of the major differences.  Brennan was extremely under the radar.

[Caveira]

No one should ever get 5 post seasons.   It’s all we’re going to hear about at NCAAs this year too.   Every lead in, etc….. 

[BarSeries]

2 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Do you only award an extra year for the NCAA qualifiers?  

Not if every other non-senior non-qualifier received an extra year of eligibility.

[Husker_Du]

this isn't difficult.

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, Spencerlee said:

Imagine if Iowa had the ability to still have Spencer and Real Woods. That’s a team title.

How did Iowa get Woods in the first place?