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People on twitter seem to be hyper fixating on the lockett loss but Doucet beat a guy that has been an olympian and was semi competitive with snyder and Ghasempour. Ramirez beat the only guy to go 6 with Lee at the olympics last year. Facundo bumped up like 15lbs to beat a u23 Asian champ and I think it was a good win for Casey as well. There are some really special things happening in Stillwater.

When you go to your frat's Halloween dance party your senior year, already in a "sublime and elevated" mental state, and hit it off and eventually hook up with the hot brunette in the bouquet of baguette costume, only to learn the next morning that she is a freshman and turned 18 months ago, that is one thing. But when you serially target and message freshman girls en masse, like what Carter is alleged to have been doing? yeah that's a little odd.

Brayton Lee to Bellarmine as an assistant coach https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMtcq90PXx8/ That makes two former IU wrestlers (sorta) on the Bellarmine coaching staff

I always root against the top handful of teams whoever they are. Can we get an other in the poll?

Result and links to highlights. A lot of the guys were wrestling up in weight. Probably a factor in Dee's loss and it appears par terre was a big difference maker 125kg - Doucet DEC Habila Awusayiman 3-0 | Highlights Awusayiman previously wrestled at 97kg. 2024 Olympian (Lost 9-5 to Kyle Snyder). 2x Asian Championships medalist (Silver, Bronze). 61kg - Ramirez DEC Zou Wanhao 4-3 | Highlights Zou was a 2024 Olympian (1-1, lost 3-2 to Spencer Lee). U23 World Bronze. 74kg - Swiderski TF Shen Tao 12-1 (4:59) | Highlights Shen was 5th at U23 Asian Championships. 79kg - Lu Feng TF Lockett 14-1 (4:18) | Highlights It looks like he got taken down and then turned 3x. Then he got a takedown and was reversed and then turned some more. Feng was a 2024 Olympian (1-1). U23 World Silver. 86kg - Facundo DEC Cao Nan 4-1 | Highlights Cao was a 2x U23 Asian Championships medalist (Gold, Bronze). Senior Asian Championships 5th. 92kg - Merrill TF Narenmanduhai 11-0 (2:40) | Highlights Narenmanduhai was U23 Asian Championships Bronze.

For the most recent Oly Trials, despite being in State College all week Suriano was the last wrestler by far to pick up his credential/athlete packet etc. He didn't show up until 5 minutes before weigh ins and as best as I could tell he took an Uber to the venue in just his singlet and slides, had the Uber wait while he came in, got his credential, weighed in and then went right back out the door to his Uber. Doesn't help answer the question but that's my Suriano story and seemed as good a time as any to share it.

Unburdened

These trivia topics are fun WKN. Thanks for posting.

Or... you could try to imagine how dominant we would be were we to focus on only teo styles, MFS & MGR rather than three (those two + Folkstyle).

Villasenor 125/133 Zinkin 125/133 Ramirez 133/141 Rainey 133/141 Rainey 141/149 Forrest 141/149 Wolbert 141/149 Vega 141/149/157 Robideau 157 Routledge 157/165 Hickman 157/165 Guerrero 157/165 Lockett 165/174 That's 13 guys in potentially 5 weight classes, the lowest ranked is Guerrero at #11. Everyone else is top 5 in their weight class. Other than Vllasenor they are all in the classes of '25 or '26. Even with selective redshirting some very good wrestlers will never start and could be third string.

This is a guy who is trying to force Coke to change their formula, Harvard to change their admissions, and ban paper straws. There is nothing too small or petty to escape his attention. And this is not a small thing. I do not have the same view as RV on basically anything, but I absolutely believe Trump would get involved here. Maybe he didn't "sign" the order, but he did give it.

I suspect that what takes @Wrestleknownothing a couple of minutes may take most of us hours. That's probably due to either talent, experience, or both. I own a machine shop in PA and like nothing better than seeing some of my best employees watching YouTube videos while the 5 axis mills they've programmed are making all of us lots of money. Wrestleknownothing is the Joe Dimaggio of this forum perhaps. Makes the difficult look easy.

Can't let @Wrestleknownothing have all the fun. Let’s kick things off with a head-scratcher from the NCAA archives… Nash Tillman wrestled in three NCAA tournaments, competed in five matches, but faced only three different opponents. But here’s the real trivia bomb: He lost to the same opponent in consecutive matches, not just once, but TWICE, in back-to-back years—each time against a different guy! The Breakdown: Year Weight Round Opponent School Result Score 1964 147 champ 32 Dino Boni Pittsburgh (Pa) Win 5-3 (dec) 1964 147 champ 16 Veryl Long Iowa State Loss 0-4 (dec) 1965 147 champ 32 Veryl Long Iowa State Loss 1-2 (dec) 1965 147 consi 8 #2 Loren Miller San Jose State (Ca) Loss Fall 4:44 1966 145 champ 32 Loren Miller San Jose State (Ca) Loss 1-2 (dec) In ‘64 and ‘65, Nash’s tournament run ended with back-to-back losses to Veryl Long. In ‘65 and ‘66, he finished with consecutive losses to Loren Miller! Has anyone else ever had a string of losses to the same opponent in consecutive NCAA tournaments? Or is Nash Tillman in a league of his own? I would have thought having consecutive losses to the same opponent would be very rare, however, since 1929 it seems to have happened around 90 times (still doing some validating on some). Any guesses for recent wrestlers who fall into this bucket?

That's epic.

Who said anything about the beer?

Let's toughen up brother. It won't be a short or easy ride. But some are built to take on challenges better than others. Ben is at the top of that list.

She does look possibly white so ...

RV mspart

I think it is a distant 8th. Behind Cheese rolling and Extreme ironing to name a few. Also toe wrestling and wife carrying. Those are actually real sports. No joke!!!!

Wow USA wins the team title.

FWIW, Jack Alexy split a 45.95 100m anchoring the US 4x100 Medley to a bronze medal.

Hopefully whoever told Sammy Alvarez he could get another year isn’t giving Gabe any advice about this

I don't think guys leaving will ultimately effect OSU much. They will each likely give it 2 or 3 years of attempting to make the starting line-up and transfer for their last year or two of eligibility if that's what they want to do. The guys on the roster will still have plenty of training partners on the college roster and with the cowboy RTC to where training shouldn't take a hit. OKST will massively benefit from all of these guys knowing that their spot isn't guaranteed and knowing they can't take a day, or a match off.

No longer in the portal. Transferred to Iowa Central.

Updated stats as of 8/1: 309 wrestlers entered the transfer portal (which represents about 10-11% of all D1 wrestlers) this off-season. 179 wrestlers that entered the transfer portal and changed teams 68 wrestlers that had entered the transfer portal, haven't yet found a new home, and are still on their old roster 47 wrestlers that had entered the transfer portal, and are no longer on an active roster of any team. 13 wrestlers that entered the transfer portal but decided to remain with their previous team 2 wrestlers that entered the transfer portal, but decided to move on from wrestling

Everyone knows about the lazy wrestlers who just want to get off the mat and get some rest - The Pinfellers. But what about the guys who like to play with their food, get in the extra work, score more points - The Rinse and Repeaters. There was a time when there was no tech fall. If you wanted to take a guy down, cut him ,and do it all over again (and again and again), you could. It wasn't your job to stop you from running up the score. It was the other guy's job. So it is a pleasant surprise that the top match point scorer of all-time comes from the TF era (1985 - present). I give you the guys who racked up the points on the way to victory. Of course, this isn't all about takedowns. Back points were available. But it is a lot about takedowns. These totals do not include any points scored on the way to pinfalls, as those are not recorded in the brackets. Now let's look at just the TF era. For this we will go a bit deeper to include anyone who scored at least 75 match points in a single tournament You may be wondering how that compares to recent times. Well, wonder no more. The leaders for the 2025 tournament: Anyone else surprised to see Mesenbrink outscored at his own weight?

I quit my job back at the beginning of 2023 to travel around for most of the year. Have yet to find a new one since due to the fun of the government. However, previously to that I was an instructor, and spent a lot of time in the classroom with nothing to do for 8+ hours a day. That's when I started doing all of the data gathering. No kids. Just really enjoy getting/researching data/history.

There were three examples last year. Tyler Wells (Minnesota) losing to Evan Frost (Iow State) in the blood round in 2024 at 133 followed by an opening round loss in 2025. These matches are also notable because Frost won them both without scoring a takedown (2-1 and 2-0) Maximus Hale (Penn) losing to Dylan Fishback (NC State) in the first round of the 2024 consolation bracket at 184 (1-4 SV) followed by an opening round loss in 2025 (3-10). Jordan Greer (Ohio) losing to Seth Nevills (Maryland) in the consolation pigtail at heavy in 2024 followed by an opening round loss in 2025 (0-5).

I was just going to say the same thing. Although if he is just wrestling at his walk around summer weight, being ~15 pounds over 149 in late July seems pretty reasonable. Not to mention, there isn't a bout at 70kg. Similar to Facundo wrestling at 86kg who definitely won't be going 184. For the Pokes line-up, however, Swiderksi and Teague battling for the spot at 157 is probably best case scenario. 125: Spratley 133: Figs 141: Hughes/Vega 149: Jamison 157: Swiderski/Teague 165: Lockett 174: Facundo 184: Ryder 197: Merrill 285: Doucet That line-up is salty. It's crazy to think this is only the beginning for OKST's revival. They are going to be absolutely ridiculous come 2027-2028.

I'm at Cadet Worlds and J'den Cox went to the rules meeting where they emphasized new edge interpretations. I've been to a bunch of these and they often emphasize something at Cadets as a test case. Whether or not that gets widely adopted is another matter. (I remember one time at JR Worlds (Brazil) i went to rules meeting and they said something was going to be called a certain way and it never was). so take it for what it's worth. anyway - was wondering what you guys thought about this https://rokfin.com/post/208831/JDen-Cox-New-Edge-Rules-Emphasis

In the 16 seed era, I think Cody Brewer exceeded his seed every tournament.

Hard to say. During the regular season he had a 42% bonus rate. It was during the Big10 and NCAA tournies that he really locked it down. In 2014 he only scored 15 points on the way to his title. But it is unknown if that is the lowest total ever for a title winner with 5 decisions. In 1953 Cornell's Don Dickason scored 13 points in the 4 matches for which a score was recorded in the bracket. The fifth match is just listed as a ref's decision. If the score was 0-0 or 1-1, the "title" would belong to Dickason. Dickason won three of his five matches by ref's decision. One was recorded as 2-2, one was recorded as 1-1, and one had no score attached. There is probably no truth to the rumor that Dickason's uncle was the ref that day, but he is the only wrestler to win three matches by ref's decision in a single tournament.

RV, you are one of a kind. You typed the words, I directly quoted the words and you call it a lie. All while maintaining your motives are pure. mspart

I don't listen to Sean Hannity. He is irritating. Regurgitates the same lines every time I see him or hear him. Nope not Hannity. This is just such a stupid thing to defend RV. It is not the right's fault that they point out when the left acts like idiots. mspart

Less credit given for Hvy pins especially for Taylor being 200 lbs heavier than opponents. He was a very good wrestler for hi size, but I don't think he was ever regarded as an "outstanding" wrestler

What's very disheartening, and this is a both sides thing not at all isolated to left or right, is that when these mass shootings happen, the first and most important thing everyone wants to talk about is race and/or political leanings. There are hundreds of millions of people in this country, of all races and political views, the large vast majority of which are good people who would never think of doing anything like this. So maybe there are bigger issues with these situations to discuss, maybe the core fundamental problem with these people is not race and politics?

Yes now I get it, I had forgotten Ware was hired.

Were you silenced while typing this?

His performance wasn't only outstanding It was historic. One cannot score more team points than he did. A wrestler has only maxed that out a handful of times. He was also the Gorrarian of all NCAA tournaments up to that point. By that I mean at the 1973 tournament he had 5 pins in 13:52. No one had more that 5 pins and no one had 5 pins in less time. Since 1973 someone has scored 5 pin at NCAAs in less time, but that person didn't win the title.

I don't think he holds 125 at all. While I realize it's the offseason, he just wrestled at CA freestyle state championships in May at 65kg (143 lbs). I think he redshirts, bulks up and comes back at 141 as a RS Freshman. Don't sleep on Ramirez- he's slick on his feet, has a really good slide by, pretty tough on top, and a very high ceiling. It's going to be an interesting room at OSU for the next couple of years, and I think Ramirez is one that will benefit the most from being in a competitive college room.

We were all "swimmers" at one point...

Is anyong giving Joey Blaze or Dee Lockett a shot at taking out Mitchell? I assume Dee has the better shot, getting in the college room and being coached by DT who showed what he can do against PSU last year with Wyatt and Hamiti. Blaze, in my biased opinion, always has a shot at winning, Kasak is the perfect example of him being able to beat anyone any given day. He is also onto his second international event this year so he is getting better this off season no doubt.

Not right away. The wrestlers on the roster (and incoming freshman) that are over the roster limit are exempted from the roster limit for the rest of their careers (designated student athletes, I believe they will be called). The schools do not have to keep them on roster, but they can choose to keep them. And if one of those wrestlers chooses to transfer elsewhere his roster exemption follows him to his new school.

x2 It doesn't make any sense. Especially when the only real hole he seems to have, that is apparent right now, is that he is small at 74 KG. He needs to add size. And anyways... there isn't a soul at 165lbs who is going to come close to beating him next season. Why would he cut the extra eight pounds?

No, not at all. I just thought his movement last season in the few matches he wrestled at 165lbs didn't look as good as when he was at 174lbs. He's a 0.500 wrestler if he goes 174lbs next season (losing record in the B1G, likely - winning otherwise). If he goes 165lbs, I don't like his chances.

He struggles with lose and loss too... He does...

Not at Lock Haven but at Northern Colorado Nickerson left Greeley for West Point and Ware was hired as the new HC for Northern Colorado

Most here are embarrassed you served. If you really did.

Ben Askren just went from hero to "eff it, put this game on Legendary mode and I'm about to set the world record." I've never been more pumped to see someone spit out 5 pound curls in my life. If this guy is any more inspirational we may not have any brick walls left because we ran through them all thanks to him.