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We had a lot of great performances at worlds. Which one was the most surprising and most impressive to you? Some of my top choices include 1. Real Woods taking bronze in a loaded weight. Even though he didn’t have quite as good of wins as some others, I would have never picked this result! 2. Levi beating a former world champ on his way to the finals! Didn’t know what to expect from him. Honestly was predicting DNP and never would have picked him over Usmanov but glad he proved me wrong! 3. Zahid dominating everyone including Ghasempour. I did have Zahid picked to win, but never would have guessed the margin of victory and out scoring his opponent 49-0. 4. Jax being so close to a bronze medal while still in high. Not exactly surprising but incredibly impressive. I was very impressed with his win over Suda and wouldn’t have called that one. 5. Trent coming back from 8-0 to win his world title. I thought he had a decent chance at gold, but it was a bit of a wildcard. I certainly wouldn’t have expected such an amazing comeback! 6. Helen winning another gold, pinning her way to the finals and getting a last second takedown to win the championship! I knew she was still amazing, but what a tournament for her! 6. Snyder winning another gold with Taz and Azarpira in the weight. He didn’t have to beat Taz but I didn’t have him picked to beat either one. I did figure he would be right in the mix so not quite as surprising to me. I think that’s my order. I chose Real as number 1 simply because if you would have told me these before the tournament started, it’s the one that I would say was the most unlikely. What do you all think? Any others to add?

My boys have wrestled in this for a few years, I can tell you this thing is a blast. Cliff runs a great tourney and there are some major matches. I have not paid attention to it this year. TONS of college wrestling coaches started coming to this at the end of our run.

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Likely because we work so hard to argue against others of us who are also trying to do the right thing. We all cool. If we could only wake up and realize the only real enemies are Russia, Iran, and (very soon) China. Throw all politics aside on the world stage. We've got our hands full at this point, and unity would be a good thing.

It’s no mystery how Charlie Kirk’s murderer was conditioned to think conservatives are fascists.

I felt like before the tournament we could send 5 guys to the finals (Esmaeili, Farokhi, Mohmedi, Saravi and Mirzazadeh). The over performance was more so I think at 55 and 63kg. Ahmadi beating Azizli and Keshtkar teching Muradov were completely out of nowhere results. Ahmadi is good but I didn't think he was that good shame he lost his finals match to another incredibly talented wrestler. 60 and 77 performed more or less to how I thought it would turn out in terms of not medalling. Its more a combination of Azerbaijan doing incredibly poorly and other heavy hitters losing early (Alexanyan, Luis Orta Sanchez etc).

Are you saying a guy on a message board just made stuff up and then doubled down when asked?

Just heard that he was back in Montana -- coaching high school and starting a wrestling club. Sounds like he's aiming to build up Montana wrestling

I am glad we could educate him.

I'm not a fan of that guy who spends the fist two minutes of every bout reading a section of the wrestlers' wikipedia entries .... U20 bronze medalist, U23 silver, Asian championships Gold, Asian Games Silver medal. What's the point if you just rattle off 20 medals for both wrestlers and don't give any context to what they mean? Mentioning if one of them is a highly decorated legend or on a win streak is fine, but we don't need to know about their 5 man field continental bronzes and U20 accolades.

This would be a great signature line.

Starts shortly and streaming is free on YouTube. The rosters are pretty stacked, including the Bassets, Melvin Miller, the Mills bros, Villasenor, Munaretto, the Mocco bros, Moses Mendoza, Kellen Wolbert, Jesse Grajeda, Israel Borge, and a ton of other ranked guys. Ranked competitors: https://www.instagram.com/tkdwnmedia/p/DOy2CEnAYn3/ Streams: https://youtube.com/@cmptrained

Is this really what people think? Bo has shown he is as blue chip as they come. Although a very oddly officiated match, he got a win over Beau Bartlett as a high school junior. Also got wins over Ashnault. He consistently beats Aiden Valencia. He also won a match against Luke Stanich, U20 world champion. He won U20 bronze the year prior. Melvin is definitely set to rack up a list of accomplishments this year as a high school junior. He has lost to some stud seniors throughout his sophomore year.

North Korea was a surprise to me.

thanks for clarifying!

Patient Zero here. The Oxford English Dictionary confirms that the first know use of pinfall in bowling occurred in 1908. Meanwhile the first know use in wrestling occurred 14 years prior. Pinfall it ever was. Pinfall it shall ever be.

I am referring to the publication time of Benny Johnson’s podcast to Apple and the time of publication of all stories I could find reporting on an affiliate stating they were not going to air his show. Those started to appear over an hour after the podcast was published. The Hollywood Reporter article you linked to in this thread doesn’t give a relative timeline of the three events, but it does state the following ”The network’s action came just after Nexstar, one of the biggest owners of local TV stations in the country — including 28 ABC affiliates — said it will preempt the series for the immediate future. A source said that ABC had also heard from at least one other station group about the show, suggesting that an affiliate revolt may have played a role in the decision .” That seems to state pretty clearly that Nexstar’s decision preceded ABC’s decision. The article then continues “The dramatic move follows Federal Communications Commission chair Brendan Carr threatening to take action against ABC affiliates in the wake of a Kimmel comment that many took as suggesting the Kirk shooting suspect was a MAGA Republican during his Monday monologue.” That statement is a little unclear as far as setting the overall timeline. The dramatic move followed Carr’s threat but was the dramatic move the affiliate’s decision or ABC’s? If it’s Nexstar’s decision then that is the timeline I had said. If it’s ABC’s decision then it’s possible that Nexstar’s decision came before Carr’s comments. Fortunately they provide a link which takes us to an article they published earlier. In that article they describe the events as follows, “Kimmel’s comments about the Charlie Kirk shooting during Tuesday’s show drew condemnation from Federal Communications Commission chair Brendan Carr. That, in turn, prompted one group of ABC affiliates, owned by Nexstar Media Group, to declare they will not air Jimmy Kimmel Live! for the immediate future, which then led ABC to announce the show was being taken off the air ‘indefinitely.’ “ That seems pretty clear. Kimmel’s comments>Carr’s condemnation>Nexstar’s declaration>ABC’s announcement. That is the timeline I gave which you disagree with. Which article was it that you read with an alternate timeline?

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That's sort of happening to Russian right now, with a lot of their C team caucus region wrestlers opting for Greco (since it's easier to make the team). The results have not been great.

I have a hard time finding fault with anyone who tried to stay out of going to Vietnam. The worst military debacle in American history. 58,281 names on the Wall in Washington DC. Over 94,000 Vietnam vets died from suicide after coming home. Over 300,000 died from being sprayed with Agent Orange and ingesting it in their food and water. To top it off they were treated (by Americans) like dirt when they arrived home from Vietnam. The way our leadership had our military fight the war the war was criminal. Read up on it. One of the awards I received in high school was in honor of a former wrestler who was killed in Vietnam.

McIlravy was always fun to watch because it was usually all gas and no brakes with him. DeSanto was similar to that.

I can assure you that college wrestlers still preach head/hands defense, and practice downblocking and sprawling. A lot of wrestlers are confident that they can scramble to a North/South ankle grab stalemate, and not get scored on if someone gets in on their legs, but guys like Hardy and prime Sasso put good wrestlers in danger from there.

No she does not. Argue between John Smith and Jordan Burroughs. Also, Adeline has more gold and as many as JB. She just didn't get it at Olympics. Also, I'll probably never mix mens and womens when discussing GOAT. Seems silly. Do we do that with any other sport?

You aren't being honest with yourself if you think the world competition in women's FS is close to the men (and again I'm not talking at all about level of wrestling). John Smith had an easier path to medals and golds than Jordan Burroughs did. This isn't saying that there weren't a bunch of incredible wrestlers in the 1980s. Nobody is saying women's FS isn't good. Nobody is saying that little girls aren't training just as hard as little boys. But a sport with 1 generation isn't close to as competitive as a sport with many generations. This isn't a hot take. It's clear and obvious. The worldwide participation numbers aren't close. If people insist on having a GOAT conversation about JB and Maroulis, then this stuff can't be ignored. Just like it can't be ignored when you talk about John Smith and JB.

This argument is losing steam. All of our girls in their prime right now have grown up in the long-established BOYS system: wrestling boys, getting the same training as the boys, lifting and dieting like the boys, working just as hard as the boys. And we're only the 3rd to 5th best nation in the world in a sport that has 10+ nations contending for medals at each weight, with more nations overall than men's freestyle competing for medals at various weights. This is because all of their girls in their prime right now at this moment (not 1990) have grown up in fully developed systems similar to our system's level. And in that environment, Helen Maroulis is 33 years old and keeps beating all comers.

There has been a rotation of commentators - me, Christian, and Spey have been on Mats A and D for the first session and then on Mat C for the semis/medal rounds. A combination of Shawn Kenney, George Ramm, Eric Olanowski, Bryan Hazard, and Erica Wiebe covered B/C for the first session and B for the semis/medal rounds.

The first five days, Bryan and I rotated sessions, keeping us both fresh and so I had some voice left for the last four days of Greco where I'm announcing here by myself since he's got a job with a school system. The in-house PA on the Croatian side has been shared by two local women, both of whom know the sport. They're pretty much sharing the whole day. Erica Wiebe, Olympic champion from Rio 2016, is the women's color commentator with Shawn Kenney.

Right now i'd still have JB #1 because of the Gold's and never losing in the finals. Appears both Snyder and Helen have a chance to add to their count for a few more years.

vito teched pat glory and then lost to him 2 weeks later!

It is just very hard for me to unsee the destruction Mendez put on him. I would think that Hardy will do the same.

lol.....do you really believe that nonsense propaganda?

The real question is what ages you faster: Hookers or blow?

You also have to remember that amateur athletics in general have made a tremendous shift in the USA. Without Foxcatcher and Dupont it is hard to say how long any of those guys remain active in wrestling. It is an interesting question about what you think might happen.

Haruntunyan is super legit, no doubt. He was definitely one of the favorites for gold, and there was very little reason, on paper, to say Lee was better than him. Lee was hyped, the Armenian was not, and people overlooked him for no good reason. That part I agree with. That said, writing off Lee's loss by saying Haruntunyan is "just that amazingly good" isn't particularly convincing. Haruntunyan got pinned in the semis, and barely squeaked by RBY in the 3rd place match. Just a quarter-second more, and RBY would've been awarded the winning TD. Haruntunyan lost to Fix 10-0 in Fix's silver medal run of a few years ago, and lost at the Olympics to Abdullaev, who Spencer beat. I guess it's possible Haruntunyan was just a bad matchup for Lee, but I dunno. It's hard to look at Spencer's match against Haruntunyan, and how he got outwrestled in every position, and not conclude that this tournament's version of Spencer is worse than the Olympics version of him. And it's hard not to expect that trajectory will continue, or at least not reverse itself, if he/Brands doesn't make a change.

This part. One of the most helpful things Brands could do for Spencer right now is watch tape with him. Lee is notorious for spending exactly zero time gameplanning against opponents, and it's a skill that he's never developed. While it's a flex for sure to just do your own thing and force wrestlers to have to adjust to you, this approach has bitten him in the past and now we're talking about World level best-of-the-best caliber competition. Going into matches blind and having to figure things out in real-time puts him at an automatic disadvantage no matter how good you are. It was a good move by Brands to allow the Otoguros to come train with Lee & DeSanto, but he needs to be smarter with his "don't overthink it" philosophy. Yes, Spencer shouldn't overthink all the what-ifs and let anxiety take over his game. OTOH, I think it would help to go a level deeper and study some film and learn a thing of two. Hell, bring in Kozak, have him teach Spencer how to analyze and break down match footage. That would be a tremendous help.

Greetings All, I thought it might be fun to get a look-see on how the depth charge currently looks compared to what we think it might look like later on in the season. Here is the eligibility breakdown per Wrestlestat: https://www.wrestlestat.com/team/40/michigan/profile

Right? Why doesn't someone just fly to Tuscaloosa and start a program at Alabama?

seems like a tall task

I was joking with you WNK. I max out my 401k every year and have a pension so personally haven't dabbled in the stock market myself or with a financial advisor. I have invested in land to help augment my retirement and if all goes well and the economy continues to improve I should be able to retire when I am 60 and have the same take home pay I have now.

Jimmy makes an excellent point. It is absolutely worth the money to have a good financial advisor. As for me, I am comfortable with equity market risk and long term investment horizons. Therefore, I am heavily invested in the stock market. I am not a stock picker (mostly) so I use low cost index funds for my stock and bond exposure. I preached to my children that if you do this from a very early age with a very long investment horizon you will certainly be happy with the results. For example, if you start at 22 years old saving $100 per month, just $1,200 per year, and invest it in the S&P500 with dividends reinvested, assuming the future return equals the historic return (they won't), then in 40 years you will have deposited $48,000, but it will be worth ~$1,000,000. Why wouldn't you do this trade? Given that I know nothing about your personal circumstances, I would not tell you how to invest. But I will definitely tell you that you need to save, live below your means, and find that good financial advisor.

If you haven’t already find yourself a good financial advisor that will diversify your portfolio and find the right risk factor based on your age and needs. It’s well worth the money IMO.

So is property

He didn’t say pf.. his accent sounded as he did, but he said pin further on the mat … or something like it. He goes “what does that even mean? I’d never said that in my life”

@lisa morales do you think I should be taken off the air?

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