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We as a community should fear indifference to bad, evil, or incompetence just as much - if not more - than the acts themselves. Bad is bad. Evil is evil. Incompetence is incompetence. Once a certain line is crossed, it’s unacceptable by any standard. Letting a wrestler stick their thumb up a training partner’s keester is simply bad. Grooming underage people - regardless of gender - is unequivocally evil. Failing to follow proper procedures to ensure a thorough investigation is the definition of incompetence. To act as if these things are not bad, evil, or incompetent is just as damaging as committing the act itself, because you are verbally excusing the acts. Words have value, and so does our courage to call out what’s truly wrong. Yes, there’s a legal process that must play out to determine guilt. But even before that, defending any of these actions - or trying to claim they aren’t evil, bad, or incompetent - is phucking abhorrent.

The Shedeur Sanders slide into Minnesota?

If that happens....

Maybe a crate of HGH because that's the only thing that can explain the size of Brooks enormous Barry Bonds ass lookin head

J Rob got run out for less than this. mspart

It's especially ironic that some of the loudest athlete-preachers in the sport (Brooks, Starocci, Snyder) all appear to be morally bankrupt.

This really sucks for our sport, it truly does.

When Ono gets arrested for espionage they'll have the royal flush

Honestly, with this much happening all at once...doth the dreaded "lack of institutional control" loom?

What about Stephen Abas? Can he coach?

I just want him to go to Columbia, so we have a program with SeaBass, BoBass, and KeeBass. If they can pull Avery Bassett from Lock Haven and Bastida from ISU, they'd also have ABass and YoBas. Unfortunately, Miller will have to find a program that's a better alliterative fit for him.

Corby (pretty connected guy on the Hawkeye board) just wrote that PSU is now back in play? Hard to keep track at this point. Man, God is willing to let a LOT slide.

Looks like CS has been placed on the Safe Sport Interim Membership Suspension list.

As has been suggested, I think Rash is really close to the principals here. His initial response to the discussion about anonymity kinda tipped his hand. The article and the message board pointed out that the women involved might want to remain anonymous bc they feared retaliation. His first objection was that Carter already knew who could speak out, so anonymity an illusion. The assumption is that Carter would be the one to retaliate. what an egomaniacal thing to say. It's like Rash is so distracted by the potential blowback against CStar that he fails to see the all the other (institutional) dangers whistleblowers face. The "retaliation" wouldn't be from Cstar; it would come in the form of university and law enforcement officials "pursuing the facts," making this person's decisions (good and bad) public. Internet misogynists then follow suit with even less info. The fact that this didn't enter Rash's mind makes me think it's him or a close friend.

good point by Dylan here regarding the smoke

Kind of crazy to know that NLWC has had FOUR people suspended within the past 35 days. That is a cold, hard fact. Thomas "Not Retired" Gilman Kyle "QV-BB" Snyder Carter "Watch my 5 on 2" Starocci Aaron "I didn't mean to cheat while I jump up 24 pounds" Brooks

I hope Cael leaves and goes somewhere else because I want to see if he can replicate it. Campbell or Northern Colorado?

NLWC narcissists. Liquor. Women, and Christ. n can be nandrolone too. On the fence Ai make me a t-shirt

I've probably said it before but those that really ride the Jesus train that publicly do seem the most bankrupt and this isn't just in wrestling, we've seen this all over the place. The way Brooks talked about DT that time in the podcast after he left for OSU was crazy to hear. I honestly don't care whether someone is religious or not but the extent that Snyder and Brooks went and to a lesser degree Starocci just goes to show they can justify anything as long as they are of the delusion they can just confess their sins every Sunday... Im really holding out hope that David Carr is not like these guys but he seemed really close to Aaron so we'll see. I just can't imagine people wearing an "Allah Trained" or "Buddha trained" shirt or head band. I mean it's hilarious to even think about... How about guys wearing socks with Shiva on them... Not sure what it is with the US going so hard in that direction.

Ono to OSU?

Aaron Brooks is either definitely a cheater or he's the dumbest person on the planet. Probably both. The amount of compliance training and dieticians they go through in college athletics telling them to know what they're putting in their bodies just for him to say he bought something tainted from a grocery store. What a complete moron. And Basch's response is a joke. I'm surprised he didn't make one of his intro to graphic design class graphics about it. Fkn goober.

I’m just here to take PEDs and insult Muslims…. And I’m all out of groceries….. cause I took them. #praiseJesus

Did he say IN the grocery store or out behind?

Man, God does weird stuff in Happy Valley.

No way! I’m totally shocked by this. Now do Kasak, Haines, and all the other juice heads who jumped two weights last off-season with zero issues. I guess Shapiro wasn’t lying lol.

the last week makes it obvious brands is way less "win at all costs" than cael.

Bac is the biggest psu apologist on this board. That snippet of the article has been shared with him at least 10 times in this thread. He doesn’t want to see what he doesn’t want to see.

Penn State University police investigating? Nothing has changed since Paterno and Sandusky. It’s a community driven by athletic department interests. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Anyone else surprised given the history that Penn St doesn't run every new head coach thru the 3 day Paterno-Sandusky seminar series?

Uncle Carter. This isn’t gonna end well for you or your nephew.

grown men don't tell the nation they were getting their butt fingered against their will just for the hell of it

Just another "nothingburger" don't ya think?

He gained like 20lbs of tissue from 23-24 year olds while cutting wait for over half the year and claims he does not weight train. He then proceeded to take the following year off without showing any proof of surgery. Not to be a conspiracy theorist but that’s a lot of smoke.

I wish the absolute worst on PSU

Pat seems to be digging his hand pretty deep in there

Funny that Mark Hall's only response is to make sure everyone knows he's not a snitch. This would be the time to say "I never saw anything and would've stopped it if I did" or "I condemn these actions if true"

If CStar has been removed from NWLC this quickly after the article came out, I think it points to there being substance behind article. I doubt Cael would remove the only 5x Champ in NCAA history only a few months after accomplishing that feet if this was a nothing burger.

That would be something if listening to God has him in Tempe wrestling for the devil (no, not Zeke, but Sparky).

Carter might drag the coaches down with him.

Wow, I read a couple of pages of comments, then went back and read the article. I expected the article to be way more damning, especially of Cael. While a fan of Penn State, I was never a big fan of Starocci. He was always a bit too much, a la AJ. What is amazing is the level of Schadenfreude on this forum, including the Iowa/Bo Bassett divorce. I imagine Caveira to be a guy who sits at his computer, types a comment, then does a little dance around the basement, then back to keyboard to write another troll post about the Penn State situation. Let me know when he hits 100 posts on the subject. Another observation is all the comments about wrestlers and their proclamations of their faith. Lots of schadenfreude every time one of them has a failure. But, I never thought Straocci was one of those guys of faith. Like AJ, it would seem more like a facade, whereas Kirk was far more genuine and quiet about it. Cael isn't outspoken about it either, maybe because Mormonism isn't quite the same. So, Starocci was one of those guys. It's pretty common in high school and even in college. Cocky a-hole that does s*** that he thinks is funny or cool and people and teammates put up with, even pretend to like the stuff they do. I remember being a lowly sophomore running back on the varsity team and feeling this warm water hitting my leg in the big group shower area. It was the all-conference lineman peeing on my leg, laughing the whole time. That crap has been going on for a hundred years. (Ironically, we were friends later while on the wrestling team) At this point in time, he has been found guilty of nothing, charged with nothing. He is accused of something or things. As for Cael, it is easy to second guess his inaction, but I'm not really sure it's reasonable to expect him to have done much else. We will know more later.

As much as I dislike the PSU fan base. This isn't the way I want to see it come tumbling down.

Do you think its a wrestling-specific problem? Or a problem that exists in power dynamics everywhere. It's a genuine question.

I want their fakeness to be exposed. The aww shucks we are just grateful to be here thing is an act for most of them. Would love to see Carter charged if he is guilty of the extremely heinous behavior towards women.

Following the Kyle Snyder thing and the "Surviving Ohio State" doc on Hbo, this is like icing on the cake. Wrestling is gonna have a horrible reputation... Especially when all the defenders start saying that getting your ass fingered and d*ck grabbed in practice is normal wrestling, or snapping naked pics of your teammates to send to the group chat is just good ole fun. Are we having fun yet?

I know for a verified fact that an ESPN journalist and a Defector journalist are now looking into this which means others are going to start sniffing too. I bet we find out very soon if this story has real legs to it. I'll give you a hint: one of them was an absolute bulldog on the Larry Nassar/MSU stuff.

thats some Emperor's New Clothes level cringe

Or... you could have kept your mouths shut, listen to the coaches, and generally perform as relatively normal parents and student athletes...

Stop shaming women for reporting rape and you’d be on point.

I give Mekhi the win bc of Carter locking hands during rideouts but that has nothing to do with Covid years and everything to do with me being an extreme homer.

Ironic that after years of being criticized for not having enough offense, Bartlett may have just taken down Carter Starocci and Cael Sanderson simultaneously.