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Marty Morgan won a D2 title at NDSU then a D1 title at Minnesota

Busch league.

No PSU fans mentioned Cary Kolat?

I get that Burroughs may be too old now, but lets not pretend that he couldn't of won a challenge tournament to make a team after 2011, he just didn't have to. He sent Dake and Taylor to different weight classes. These are just the list of guys in the challenge tournament which always has multiple time NCAA champs. If JB loses it will be to to father time, not because he had to go through a bracket with Jarrett Jacques in it.

I open every thread.

Without even considering the date I laughed when I read "sources close to Reattack".

Jarod King, Mike Pucillo, Brock Lesnar, Mark Coleman

Until we see Division I de-emphasize conference affiliations across the board, any format that fractures a conference-based structure is a death sentence, IMO. That being said, I like where you're going with it @killdozer, providing balance and logic to the topic - which we know isn't something we always like to apply to the sport.

Going back Joe Gonzales was at Oklahoma before transferring to Cal-St Bakersfield where he won 118 title in 1980.

What's your pastry policy?

You actually can make this up on April Fools Day

Nick Gwiazdowski, Binghamton to NC State

I added hometown in case it can shed any light on locations that might be more favorable for the wrestler in question. Weight WS Rank Athlete 2024-25 Year Hometown Transferring From Transferring To 165 4 Dean Hamiti Senior Joliet, IL Wisconsin Oklahoma State 197 5 Jacob Cardenas Graduate Kearny, NJ Cornell 174 6 Lennox Wolak Graduate Columbus, OH Columbia Virginia Tech 184 6 Chris Foca Graduate Cliffside Park, NJ Cornell 165 16 Caleb Fish Graduate Eaton Rapids, MI Michigan State 157 22 Chase Saldate Senior Gilroy, CA Michigan State Michigan 133 23 Connor McGonagle Graduate Danville, NH Lehigh 197 25 Evan Bockman Graduate Anchorage, AK Utah Valley 165 30 Josh Ogunsanya Graduate River Forest, IL Columbia 184 32 Brock Delsignore Junior Ballston Lake, NY NC State 133 34 Sidney Flores Graduate West Covina, CA Air Force 125 37 Nick Babin Graduate Westwood, NJ Columbia 149 37 Sammy Alvarez Graduate Garfield, NJ Oklahoma State 157 38 Jason Kraisser Graduate Ellicott City, MD Iowa State 197 44 Spencer Mooberry Junior Osage, IA NDSU 141 48 Nathan Higley Sophomore Sullivan County, PA George Mason 157 51 Brock McMillen Junior Coalport, PA Pitt 197 56 Carter Blough Sophomore Lowell, MI Michigan State 125 57 Evan Tallmadge Freshman Brick NJ Navy 197 63 Billy Janzer Junior Elk Township, NJ Rutgers 184 63 James Lledo Graduate Lower Merrion, PA Pitt 125 71 Dominic Chavez Junior Arlington, TX Presbyterian 174 73 Darrien Roberts Graduate Bethlehem, PA Oklahoma Morgan State 285 79 Xavier Doolin Junior Kansas City, MO Northern Colorado 285 80 Ryan Boersma Sophomore Channahon, IL Missouri 141 83 Benjamin Lunn Graduate Shakopee, MN Minnesota 125 85 Zachary Espalin Junior GIlbert, AZ Navy 184 97 Branson Britten Junior Amarillo, TX Northern Colorado 285 102 Billy Brosko Freshman Newtown Square, PA Drexel 174 112 Braden Welch Sophomore Ashland, OH App State 174 113 Devin Wasley Sophomore Hammond, WI Minnesota 165 115 Carson Miller Freshman Granville, OH Pitt 149 116 Bretli Reyna Junior Homestead, FL Iowa 285 119 Gage Cook Sophomore Granger, WA Army 197 123 Cameo Blankenship Graduate McRae, GA Davidson 125 125 Aedyn Concepcion Senior Anchorage, AK Gardner-Webb 157 126 Lorenzo Rajaonarivelo Graduate Arlington, VA George Mason 133 132 Kyle Rowan Graduate Perry, OH Stanford 174 134 Zachary Wells Graduate Sterling Heights, IM Presbyterian 197 137 Coen Grimm Freshman Wadsworth, OH Buffalo 133 139 Giovanni Diaz Graduate Valparaiso, IN Franklin & Marshall 133 140 Korbin Shepherd Junior Blue Springs, MO Missouri 184 144 Damen Pape Junior Hastings, NE Northern Colorado 165 147 Brant Whitaker Junior Boonville, MO Missouri 125 162 Jacob Houpt Freshman Canonsburg, PA Kent State 285 163 Max Acciardi Freshman Woodcliff Lake, NJ Cal Baptist 141 172 Cam Soda Junior Burlington, MA Edinboro 174 173 Hayden Pummel Junior Indian Lake, OH Northern Illinois 157 177 Kaiden Wagner Sophomore Lewisburg, PA Lock Haven 184 182 Anthony DeRosa Junior MIlford, NJ Bloomsburg 184 184 Connor Strong Senior Bel Air, MD Penn 133 185 Braxton Fries Sophomore Easton, PA Ohio State 125 191 Jacob Joyce Freshman Ponaganset, RI Stanford 125 191 Keegan Schlabach Freshman Lagrange, IN Clarion 125 191 Zachary Jacaruso Freshman Milford, PA George Mason 197 196 Macray Klohs Freshman Plymouth, MN NDSU 197 197 Brett Wittman Senior Appleton, WI Clarion 141 209 Peyton Moore Sophomore Fulton, MO Missouri 285 212 Carson Hatch Senior Hughson, CA CSU Bakersfield 133 213 Drew Cooper Freshman Omaha, NE Nebraska 285 224 Peter Casale Sophomore Little Falls, NJ Rutgers 141 245 Hunter Sloan Freshman Doylestown, PA Bucknell 133 249 Spencer Von Savoye Freshman Oakdale, CA Cal Baptist 165 249 Zane Licht Freshman Prairie du Sac, WI NDSU 165 251 Griffin Ray Freshman Hillsboro, MO Nebraska 165 253 Sam Beckett Sophomore Harleysville, PA Stanford 157 258 Aiden Smith Sophomore Brighton, MI Northern Illinois 165 259 Brady Conlin Freshman Williamstown, NJ Rider 174 264 Jacob Yawn Graduate Shreveport, LA Cornell 141 265 Kaiser Simpson Freshman Cushing, OK Cal Baptist 165 268 Tyler Martinez Freshman Plano, IL Northern Illinois 141 269 Tanner Frothinger Freshman Eagle, ID Nebraska 157 291 Michael Duggan Freshman Boiling Springs, PA Bloomsburg

Jason Tsirtis, Andrew Howe

Now that you mention BYU, Chael Sonnen transferred from BYU and never lost another match or even another period.

Jay Borschell

Sam Henson I believe transferred from Missouri to Clemson Aaron Holker transferred from BYU when it dropped their program to ISU

Here is an even rarer one, who already won a title and then transferred? Chuck Jean won 2 titles for Iowa St then finished at Adams St in NAIA. Steve Mocco won at Iowa the OK St

I'm ready.

PAC 12: 1. Can wrestle with 4 teams as a conference for two years - but they only get the champion as an AQ and the rest fall into at large bids. So technically the conference is not done. 2. With the temporary merger with the MW for football, it is possible that AirForce and Wyoming move to the Pac 12 conference for wrestling. There are rumblings that some Big 12 teams are not happy with the conference. 3. The teams could all join the Big 12 for wrestling creating a logical East and West division (as noted by someone else). 4. Will Little Rock stay or join a conference closer to home? That's a good question. 5. As mentioned before, there are rumblings of teams not being happy in the Big 12. Is it possible there is an exodus of a couple of teams? IMO (as well as a majority of people) there are teams that should leave and connect to the Pac 12 as a Western conference - such as UNC, Utah Valley, Wyoming, Air Force, Cal Baptist.

Most of us are happily clueless—ignorance is bliss. Now that it is known, it cannot be unknown. It's not just one day—over 100 days are recognizing a tiny percentage of the population. This seems unreasonable. https://twitter.com/JonSchweppe/status/1774199221895254125 But then again... who knew there were so many parent holidays? https://nationaltoday.com/parents-holidays/ I'm the bitter guy who finds holidays are actually forced shopping days. I'd rather have 100 days of Thanksgiving than any shopping, sexual choice, or whatever weird days people want to celebrate.

I believe Pac12 gets an exception next year and wrestles with 4 teams and only an AQ per weight, no other allocation.

It's a bad look for wrestling in general. MMA/UFC is half WWE, the false bravado, the calling people out. Bo is brining that into his life. It may be a needed piece of his career, now, but it's not necessary in wrestling. And Starocci saying he's going to end Boroughs career... It's all moving to social media click bait.

Team USA 114 Abram Cline Granite Hills Chula Vista, CA 121-12 - Maryland 121 Beric Jordan Noble Noble, OK 164-4 3X Oklahoma 127 JJ McComas Stillwater Stillwater, OK 136-22 2X Oklahoma St. 133 Adrian Meza Valiant College Prep Laveen, AZ 109-19 - Iowa State 139 Kyler Larkin Valiant College Prep Gilbert, AZ 112-16 - Arizona St. 145 Alex Braun Woodbury Woodbury, MN 256-37 2X Oklahoma 152 Miguel Estrada Frontier Bakersfield, CA 71-3 3X Iowa 160 Charlie Millard Homestead Mequon, WI 175-5. 2X Minnesota 172 Gage Wright Parkersburg South Mineral Wells, WV 149-8 4X Virginia Tech 189 Karson Tompkins Midlothian Midlothian, TX 155-2 3X Air Force 215 Max Shulaw St. Francis DeSales Columbus, OH 187-10 2X Virginia 285 Koy Hopke Amery Amery, WI 168-2 4X Minnesota 1,803-140 25X Team PA College Attending 114 Ayden Smith Notre Dame-Green Pond 152-18 2X 1st / 1st Rutgers 121 Louie Gill Reynolds 143-17 1X 1st / 4th NC State 127 Chris Vargo Bentworth 133-12 - 1st / 2nd Edinboro 133 Mason Gibson Bishop McCort 72-10 - 1st / 4th Penn State 139 Cooper Hornack Burrell 156-27 1X 2nd / 6th Columbia 145 Jack Consiglio Malvern Prep 131-18 3X 1st / 1st Stanford 152 Ryan Garvick Central Dauphin 162-19 - 1st / 2nd Indiana 160 Conner Harer Montgomery 188-5 3X 1st / 1st Rutgers 172 Hunter Hohman Grove City 136-15 - 1st / 4th American 189 Tucker Hogan Daniel Boone 155-5 2X 1st / 1st Lock Haven 215 Rune Lawrence Frazier 145-8 4X 1st / 1st West Virginia 285 Sean Kinney Nazareth 125-5 3X 1st / 1st Lafayette (FB) 1,698-159 19X I have it 26-16 team USA luke simcox got hurt so he is out at 139 I think that could be a 7 point swing potentially

Wait, isn't that the NICE thing to do? Attack the wounded leg? Leaving him his good leg for support? I'd attack his good leg and make him hop around on the crippled one.

Penn St has had an amazing run atop of college wrestling. He made his money in the upper weights, pioneering financing and special medical practices. He recruited amazing talent (especially in the upper weights) and for the most part, took them to higher levels and developed the most dominate multi-time champions in recent memory. However, the arms race has been legalized and competition by Michigan, Iowa and other schools is making an impact - the field has been leveled. Cael still owns the coaching advantage and will win ties. Cael also is a younger coach beating out the old blue bloods of Smith, Brands and Ryan. Over the next 5 years, these three coaches will likely turn over to the likes of Askren, Taylor, Burroughs, Snyder, Dake....Iowa style will be reinvented, recruiting against an aging John Smith will end, and who knows what happens at Ohio State, but the money and facilities are in place. Penn State has now had to dip into the portal instead of its recruiting prowess and talent development. Casey Cunningham likely retires after his son finishes in 5 years. After this olympic cycle, we will see elite athletes make their move. Askren to Wisconsin, Taylor + Dake to Iowa and Burroughs officially on staff at Penn to take over the ivy league. These big time coaching changes will spread the recruits around and level the playing field. These changes will hurt Penn State and benefit Ohio State the most, not because it is getting the next best set of recruits but because Penn State will drop down to sub 100 points which then makes them beatable.

Just joking about the blue colored glasses people on this board that don’t see anything other than their Iowa hatred. I’m shocked 0 discussion occurred about Cstar’s wrestling IQ in injuring himself. Secured the tech fall…. Against a team they beat what like 43-0 (I didn’t look it up). Putting your knee in that position is pretty silly if you think about it. Take the tech and move on.

Are you sure that is all Jenkins and Suriano did? Just outplaced?

Plus Arizona State and South Dakota State in Big 12.

ULR wants to join the Big XII and my guess is Oregon State would want to for all sports. I think what may happen is when Tarleton State joins D-I. They make the WAC which has Utah Valley, Tarleton State and Cal Baptist in the conference. Then have the Cal teams join in Bakersfield and Cal Poly. Then possibly Wyoming, Northern Colorado and Air Force join to make the WAC. So it would be WAC- Air Force, Cal Baptist, Cal Poly, CSU-Bakersfield, Northern Colorado, Tarleton State, Utah Valley, Wyoming Big XII - Iowa State, Little Rock, Missouri, North Dakota State, Northern Iowa, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, Northern Iowa, West Virginia Or what I would like just add all to the Big XII. An 18 team conference. Also, I think Morgan State will join the EIWA before either the MAC or the SoCon

Obviously your point is still valid, but did Burroughs have to go through a bracket in 2017 after losing at the olympics? I think we saw a realistic view of what Burroughs has left last year vs Marstellar. He is certainly not my favorite to even make the finals against Dake, but if you aren't on your game he will get you. If he makes the finals it will be from championship experience.

This was a great read and brought back memories of a high school teammate that was one of our team captains and totally blind. Regardless of his handicap, he was just one of the boys on the team and one hell of a sense of humor. I can remember one particular incident when one of my teammates came into the locker room and asked if anyone had seen "so and so?" This voice pipes up from the row over, "I saw him walk by just a minute ago!" Recognizing the voice, I broke out in a big belly laugh. Mike had been a source of motivation to me when I started wrestling as he accomplished so much regardless of his handicap and always positive and encouraging. After HS, Mike enrolled at the University of Missouri where he completed his undergraduate degree and then Law degree and then went home to the Raytown area and opened a law practice. He has continued to practice law over 40 years and has served as a municipal judge. He has also been active holding various leadership positions on local charities and civic organizations. I couldn't tell you what his win and loss record was while he was a HS wrestler, but as a contributing member of our society, he was 100-0. He too, was one of my life heroes.

I'd swap Oklahoma for Oregon St and West Virginia for Little Rock. Maybe let Maryland, Rutgers, Northwestern, Indiana and Michigan St join the Non Power conference.

My two favorites

Are you talking about Soapy Dubler?

And I’m a fan of Bo. But that’s a bad take.

Yeah, Snyder is an anomaly. I'm happy to admit I am wrong. Did Bastida and Davison weigh less than 230? And what did Caesar weigh? Aside from Snyder, we don't usually see college heavyweights go down to 97kg. Again, happy to admit I am wrong here, but I can't think of anyone. Even if you are small heavyweight, you commit to staying big and don't go down to 97kg. I hope Carroll looks great next week. I am a fan, I just thought he would be an immediate threat at heavyweight next year with a lot of guys graduating.

Seth is great at this stuff. i just can't stand that cadence of talking that is ubiquitous on youtube vids. ughh. nails on a chalkboard. why! i wrestled with his oldest brother, Andy. And middle brother Matt was as good as a high school wrestler as i've ever seen. he absolutely torched Darrell Vasquez the year Vasquez won his 3rd or 4th title in CA. watching Matt in practice was so much fun. he was electric.

true story, i'm in a fantasy football league (ran by David Taylor) with Suds Dubler's dad.

Stephon Breedlove was one of my first mentors out of law school. I wanted to help the disabled and those who were considered poor. I met him at Advocacy Inc. in Lubbock. He was a great inspiration. He did not let the difficulties of not being able to see distract him. He amazed me with his knowledge of the law; he had to know by reading braille (now considered outdated by technology). The technology we have today has gone leaps and bounds since 1996. He told me about swimming competitions where he had to be hit on the hit to know that he was about to hit the wall. He was very competitive. He loved his wife who was blind also. And she was beautiful. One year, he wanted a good Christmas tree and asked me to help him pick it out so the salesman did not cheat him on an ugly tree. I asked why he wanted to put lights on a tree and decorate a tree. He wanted to repeat decorating a tree like what he had his whole life from a loving family. And he said the lights on the tree make it smell like the pine tree it is. He was a remarkable person and wonderful person.

When was the last time Carter cut to 163 two days in a row?

Injuries only occur in the Iowa room I thought. This sounds sus

The thing I like about Cayden and Crosby on "Clash of Combat", is that they are the same age and going through the same grind (albeit at the Division 2 level) as the college wrestling stars they interview. So there is a more familiar, casual, sometimes goofy, and candid conversational vibe about it rather than the interviewee acting like he or she is talking to some media figure. It's college wrestlers talking to other college wrestlers and it's pretty unfiltered. A good example was when they just hung out on Real Woods' front porch and shot the shit for an hour. Still, the best wrestling podcast I've ever heard was the multi-part "Wrestling Changed My Life" show where they talked about Northern Iowa NCAA champ Tony Davis' VERY rough backstory in Chicago. That was eye opening, and unique storytelling for a sport that historically has stronger ties to predominantly white rural and suburban locations.

It’s more accurate to say that Easter fell on Trans Day of Visibility. Only one of them is on the same day every year. TDV is always on March 31st. Easter falls between late March and late April and is different every year. If you are legitimately upset about this, you are a giant baby. I’m assuming this is why @Husker_Du was crying on twitter again?

I combined the current portal in Flo with guys who announced mid season they were entering the portal, and the guys who entered early last year knowing their Ivy eligibilty was coming to an end. Added Spencer Mooberry who posted his own news but it hasn't yet been captured by Flo or WS. And then sorted by WS Rank: Weight WS Rank Athlete 2024-25 Year Transferring From Transferring To 165 4 Dean Hamiti Senior Wisconsin Oklahoma State 197 5 Jacob Cardenas Graduate Cornell 174 6 Lennox Wolak Graduate Columbia Virginia Tech 184 6 Chris Foca Graduate Cornell 165 16 Caleb Fish Graduate Michigan State 157 22 Chase Saldate Senior Michigan State Michigan 133 23 Connor McGonagle Graduate Lehigh 197 25 Evan Bockman Graduate Utah Valley 165 30 Josh Ogunsanya Graduate Columbia 184 32 Brock Delsignore Junior NC State 133 34 Sidney Flores Graduate Air Force 125 37 Nick Babin Graduate Columbia 149 37 Sammy Alvarez Graduate Oklahoma State 157 38 Jason Kraisser Graduate Iowa State 197 44 Spencer Mooberry Junior NDSU 141 48 Nathan Higley Sophomore George Mason 157 51 Brock McMillen Junior Pitt 197 56 Carter Blough Sophomore Michigan State 125 57 Evan Tallmadge Freshman Navy 197 63 Billy Janzer Junior Rutgers 184 63 James Lledo Graduate Pitt 125 71 Dominic Chavez Junior Presbyterian 174 73 Darrien Roberts Graduate Oklahoma Morgan State 285 79 Xavier Doolin Junior Northern Colorado 285 80 Ryan Boersma Sophomore Missouri 141 83 Benjamin Lunn Graduate Minnesota 125 85 Zachary Espalin Junior Navy 184 97 Branson Britten Junior Northern Colorado 285 102 Billy Brosko Freshman Drexel 174 112 Braden Welch Sophomore App State 174 113 Devin Wasley Sophomore Minnesota 165 115 Carson Miller Freshman Pitt 149 116 Bretli Reyna Junior Iowa 285 119 Gage Cook Sophomore Army 197 123 Cameo Blankenship Graduate Davidson 125 125 Aedyn Concepcion Senior Gardner-Webb 157 126 Lorenzo Rajaonarivelo Graduate George Mason 133 132 Kyle Rowan Graduate Stanford 174 134 Zachary Wells Graduate Presbyterian 197 137 Coen Grimm Freshman Buffalo 133 139 Giovanni Diaz Graduate Franklin & Marshall 133 140 Korbin Shepherd Junior Missouri 184 144 Damen Pape Junior Northern Colorado 165 147 Brant Whitaker Junior Missouri 125 162 Jacob Houpt Freshman Kent State 285 163 Max Acciardi Freshman Cal Baptist 141 172 Cam Soda Junior Edinboro 174 173 Hayden Pummel Junior Northern Illinois 157 177 Kaiden Wagner Sophomore Lock Haven 184 182 Anthony DeRosa Junior Bloomsburg 184 184 Connor Strong Senior Penn 133 185 Braxton Fries Sophomore Ohio State 125 191 Jacob Joyce Freshman Stanford 125 191 Keegan Schlabach Freshman Clarion 125 191 Zachary Jacaruso Freshman George Mason 197 196 Macray Klohs Freshman NDSU 197 197 Brett Wittman Senior Clarion 141 209 Peyton Moore Sophomore Missouri 285 212 Carson Hatch Senior CSU Bakersfield 133 213 Drew Cooper Freshman Nebraska 285 224 Peter Casale Sophomore Rutgers 141 245 Hunter Sloan Freshman Bucknell 133 249 Spencer Von Savoye Freshman Cal Baptist 165 249 Zane Licht Freshman NDSU 165 251 Griffin Ray Freshman Nebraska 165 253 Sam Beckett Sophomore Stanford 157 258 Aiden Smith Sophomore Northern Illinois 165 259 Brady Conlin Freshman Rider 174 264 Jacob Yawn Graduate Cornell 141 265 Kaiser Simpson Freshman Cal Baptist 165 268 Tyler Martinez Freshman Northern Illinois 141 269 Tanner Frothinger Freshman Nebraska 157 291 Michael Duggan Freshman Bloomsburg

Every program Dresser touches improves immensely. He took a small high school in Grundy, VA (coal country) and turned it into a decade long state championship team. Then went to Christiansburg high school just outside of Blacksburg and turned into a nationally ranked program. Then took VT from a near last place team finish at NCAA’s to a trophy team. Now he’s got the cyclones clicking on all cylinders