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Was a multiple placer and state finalist in middle school , underachieved some in hs , 1x SQ, , Wrestled D3 for a top 25 school for 2 years , they went out of way to help me get in and get me set up bc I was on my own , Unfortunately they should’ve just enrolled me in clown college for the way I acted the first year …spent way too much time partying and making 6-7 hr round trip drives home to see my GF , …locked in 2nd year ,made nationals ,won a match ,but working full time /class full time and wrestling full time was too much , that summer got offered a job making real $$ so I left to join the real world …still regret passing up those 2 years I have an impressive hit list of guys that have beat me though lol, Lost to Molinaro and Darrion Caldwell in high school, Alex Meade my first open tournament,beat D3 NC before he was champ Vincent Renaut , also beat Former Rutgers heavyweight Billy Smith before his growth spurt up to heavyweight ,i also once headed locked jimmy Sheptock, got the 2 , he rolled thru and proceeded to beat the daylights out of me for the next 5 minutes

Great thread. I love hearing about everyone's wrestling history, from solid DI guys to JV stars. And it seems most have common themes - suffered and loved it, never as good as I wanted to be, too many injuries. It feels like I stumbled into a bar where people are actually interested in hearing about my "glory years", so I'll keep blabbering. Beat a handful of DII and DIII All Americans in college but never made it to nationals. 3-0 as an alumni v. my college in my forties (mostly shows how much the program declined) Beat Steve Mocco in Judo (he was in HS at the time, but placed in US Judo senior nationals the next year). I actually pinned him ( technically a hold down in Judo) Won Pan Am gold medal in BJJ (brown belt in my age divisions, not quite as impressive as it might sound to wrestlers, but still pretty good)

Never wrestled in a program. A couple times in IMs. However, I'll give you a HOF workout partner list. Bob Zaro- 2x NJ Champ (same HS he was a year behind so his homeroom was right next to mine). Herb Campbell- Undefeated NJ Champ as a senior, Lehigh captain. We were in the same freshman dorm. When he found out I was from Pburg he said let's wrestle. I told him I never wrestled. "It's ok- you're from Pburg". For years I thought he was suggesting that anyone from Pburg could wrestle since Pburg was #1 in the state around then for years (sometimes sharing with Paulsboro during their first big streak). I found out later the real reason was that Herbie's last loss in HS was at regions his junior year to a 2x NJ runnerup from Pburg. Mark Lieberman- Not really a workout as much as he grabbed me and put me in a lap tilt. Somehow I popped out of it. It stunned him and he let me go asking me how I did it. Self-preservation, I guessed. Pete Schuyler- NJ Champ and NCAA AA. Darryl Burley- NJ Champ, 4x NCAA finalist and 2x Champ. Admittedly they were drilling and I was going live (and they weren't having any difficulty)

I remember watching that, live, and being nervous for Kerk after the previous NCAAs where he super under weight and got squashed by Schultz. Then seeing Zeke pull him, when he was already warmed up, headgear on, because they couldn’t win the dual and he feared for Schultz’s NCAA seed. That was pathetic. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Well he beat him before... so...

Justification of the 3 pt TD: I hate tOSU but Feldman deserved to win with the only TD of the match. Catka had a 1 pt escape and 1 pt with riding time secured in the 3rd. Feldman got the late, dramatic TD for THREE and the W. Last year it’s only good for a tie and they go to OT. Some might like that, but I still say the only guy with the TD deserves the W.

Is Bormet allowed in the corner today?

Isn’t his dad a notoriously good dude in the wrestling community? Sounds like it was a bad moment. It happens

I was a mediocre high school wrestler. I ended up going to school at UW-Madison (not for wrestling) but didn’t want my competitive days to be over so decided to try and walk-on even though I knew it would be a long shot. I still remember the first time we went live in preseason thinking holy shit I feel like I’m going to die! Anyway, I initially got cut and was kind of just content with the opportunity to be in the room. But Barry Davis, who was the coach at the time, said something to me like you can come back and wrestle with us once the season is over. That kind of surprised me, like he actually noticed me during preseason. Those words were enough motivation that I really trained my butt off and came back once the season was over. I trained with the team in Spring and summer and was able to walk on my last two years of school. Mostly I was beat up each practice but every now and then would get a takedown on a good guy and make him upset enough to really beat me up! Being in the room for my last two years of school is probably the most formative experience I’ve had in my life and one I’m grateful for.

In high school (Illinois 2a the big division at the time) I was defensive on my feet. Had ok shots but was better at position and go behinds. Good positional / hand fighting etc. I was tall / lanky and used that to my advantage. Could defend from most I came across in the state etc. I was a good pinner / rider. Had a good leg ride and cradle series. Could turn almost anyone except some of the better kids. I didn’t realize then but I was below average on bottom. I don’t recall getting pinned but I do recall getting ridden a full period quit a bit. in college. Well everyone had good position and could hand fight. And the average to above average we’re taking me down quite a bit. The AAs / national champs in the room at will. Not to bad but defo not high school. Also kids in college can get out from bottom so my riding skills didn’t really translate as I thought they would. Not getting out from bottom was now really exposed. The better kids punished this tremendously. If not for back points but brutally kicking your butt for a period takes its toll on your head kneck arms shoulders etc. I know that now when they hurt when I sleep lol… that or I’m getting old. Also. Not dominating like 70-80% of matches was very new….. I didn’t like that very much lol. I prolly cut to much weight as I tended to have to work more on that than getting out from bottom or developing better offensive capabilities on my feet. When your coaches tell you to work on xyz when your young. Work on it. Kids think but I won?!?!!!?? Or I’m winning!?!!?! Or I placed at state.!?!?!!?! That doesn’t matter. they know what you need to work on. Leave the hubris at the door. No need for that.

Kharchla HANDLED Lewis here. They aren’t far off from each other when Carson’s healthy.

And That is Final The most common final score in an NCAA tournament match (1998 - 2021) that ends with either a decision, major decision or tech fall is (yawn) 3-2 followed by 3-1. Same final score data, but organized differently (single score axis with winning scores color coded and labeled to make it easier to read). MOV It On Over While 3-2 is the most common score, the most common margin of victory is 2 points, though it varies significantly by round. Things tighten up a bit in the semifinals. A full 28.5% of those were 1 point matches. Not surprisingly 8 is more common than either 7 or 9. Similarly 15+ is more common than 12 - 14 combined.

So you wouldn't you say that Bullock could have spent a (Ted) Knight in jail for what he did? OK, I'll stop now...

Fixed it...

Don't forget the swimmer! We'd know nothing of historic stats and fictitious pinfells if not for the swimmer.

Some quick thoughts from the Husker dual. I echo a lot of what @jajensen09said. Shoutout to @Husker_Du on the call last night. 125--Caleb Smith very methodical, workmanlike performance 133-Van Dee looked terrific, aggressive all match, he didn't give Heil a chance to breathe at all. 141/149/157--Dominating performances against overmatched opponents 165--Taylor looked like he was shot out of a cannon in the first period and he came really close to getting a first round TF. It looked like a landed a bit awkwardly during a scramble in the 2p and was limping a bit. 3p he got a little gassy but credit to Baker who had a few really good shots during the match and made it a little more respectable at the end. 174--Thebeau looked great, wrecked his guy 184--Pinto got an early TD but then Hopkins controlled most of the rest of the match, Pinto struggled to get out from the bottom when Hopkins took him down. That being said, Pinto had a nice burst at the end with a couple attacks to get the TD and the W at the end. 197--Allred good solid performance HWT--Some early fireworks with Andrews putting Ghadiali on his back for an early 5 point move, after that Ghadiali really took over. Andrews looks like he maybe weighs 220 out there and he's going to get muscled around a lot. I'm guessing the staff has Andrews eating and working out as much as humanly possible. There is good technique there, he's just really undersized. On to the Navy Classic! GBR!

I believe Karchla has tech falled him before..

Was a good high school wrestler. Was a preferred walk on at a (now defunct) MAC program. Tore ACL freshman year, and then partied too much. Forgot about wrestling for about 15 years. Went back to a local CC and joined the club team around age 33 or 34. Ended up qualifying for NWCA nationals and went 1-2 there. Most fun I had had in a long time, but it nearly broke my body. Now I've been a high school assistant coach for almost a decade.

This is pretty much me as well, although I never ended up starting for the postseason

MSU OPEN Frosh/Soph 125 Kilkeary wrestling for third. 141 Campbell out. 149 Herman in final/Brown loses Semi. Open 133 Gonzales three wins and into Final. 285 Swenski is 1-1. Edinboro coming to CBUS on Sunday. I've got the same team that we saw at VT minus Rogotzke and adding Shumate. Buckeyes win all ten with many majors...

Pretty low turnout in Fargo. Mostly just NDSU, Minnesota, and mostly nonstarters from SDSU. Minnesota was without McKee, Salazar, Gliva, but had 7 champs and 12 in the finals. Open – 125 1st Place – Tanner Jordan of South Dakota State 2nd Place – Carlos Negrete Jr of North Dakota State 3rd Place – Brandon Meredith of South Dakota State 4th Place – Brandon Morvari of Minnesota Round 1 Carlos Negrete Jr (North Dakota State) decision over Brandon Meredith (South Dakota State) (Dec 6-2) Tanner Jordan (South Dakota State) tech fall over Brandon Morvari (Minnesota) (TF 15-0) Round 2 Brandon Meredith (South Dakota State) major decision over Brandon Morvari (Minnesota) (Maj 17-4) Tanner Jordan (South Dakota State) won in sudden victory – 1 over Carlos Negrete Jr (North Dakota State) (SV-1 6-3) Round 3 Tanner Jordan (South Dakota State) major decision over Brandon Meredith (South Dakota State) (Maj 11-0) Carlos Negrete Jr (North Dakota State) decision over Brandon Morvari (Minnesota) (Dec 2-0) Open – 133 1st Place – Tyler Wells of Minnesota 2nd Place – Jager Eisch of Minnesota 3rd Place – Derrick Cardinal of South Dakota State 4th Place – Chase DeBlaere of Oregon State 5th Place – Ryan Henningson of North Dakota State 6th Place – Amantee Mills of North Dakota State 1st Tyler Wells (Minnesota) major decision over Jager Eisch (Minnesota) (Maj 14-3) 3rd Derrick Cardinal (South Dakota State) major decision over Chase DeBlaere (Oregon State) (Maj 11-0) 5th Ryan Henningson (North Dakota State) injury default over Amantee Mills (North Dakota State) (Inj. 0:00) Open – 141 1st Place – Gavin Drexler of North Dakota State 2nd Place – Vance Vombaur of Minnesota 3rd Place – Caleb Gross of South Dakota State 4th Place – Parker Janssen of South Dakota State 5th Place – Walker Bents of North Dakota State 6th Place – Thomas Moralez of North Dakota State 1st Gavin Drexler (North Dakota State) decision over Vance Vombaur (Minnesota) (Dec 6-4) 3rd Caleb Gross (South Dakota State) major decision over Parker Janssen (South Dakota State) (Maj 8-0) 5th Walker Bents (North Dakota State) tech fall over Thomas Moralez (North Dakota State) (TF 15-0) Open – 149 1st Place – Maxwell Petersen of North Dakota State 2nd Place – Drew Roberts of Minnesota 3rd Place – Daniel Kimball of South Dakota State 4th Place – Tanner Gerber of North Dakota State 5th Place – Clay Radenz of North Dakota State 6th Place – Kellyn March of North Dakota State 1st Maxwell Petersen (North Dakota State) decision over Drew Roberts (Minnesota) (Dec 10-8) 3rd Daniel Kimball (South Dakota State) major decision over Tanner Gerber (North Dakota State) (Maj 11-1) 5th Clay Radenz (North Dakota State) injury default over Kellyn March (North Dakota State) (Inj. 0:00) Open – 157 1st Place – Michael Blockhus of Minnesota 2nd Place – Boeden Greenley of North Dakota State 3rd Place – Landen Johnson of North Dakota State 4th Place – Sebas Swiggum of Minnesota 5th Place – Michael Weber of North Dakota State 6th Place – Ryan Dolezal of South Dakota State 1st Michael Blockhus (Minnesota) major decision over Boeden Greenley (North Dakota State) (Maj 14-1) 3rd Landen Johnson (North Dakota State) decision over Sebas Swiggum (Minnesota) (Dec 12-5) 5th Michael Weber (North Dakota State) major decision over Ryan Dolezal (South Dakota State) (Maj 13-0) Open – 165 1st Place – Blaine Brenner of Minnesota 2nd Place – Brendan Howes of North Dakota State 3rd Place – Hunter Lyden of Minnesota 4th Place – Marcus Espinoza-Owens of South Dakota State 5th Place – Brock Fettig of South Dakota State 6th Place – Tim Stapleton of Minnesota 1st Blaine Brenner (Minnesota) decision over Brendan Howes (North Dakota State) (Dec 7-1) 3rd Hunter Lyden (Minnesota) decision over Marcus Espinoza-Owens (South Dakota State) (Dec 10-7) 5th Brock Fettig (South Dakota State) fall over Tim Stapleton (Minnesota) (Fall 6:54) Open – 174 1st Place – Sam Skillings of Minnesota 2nd Place – Andrew Sparks of Minnesota 3rd Place – Ethan Riddle of Minnesota 4th Place – Devin Wasley of Minnesota 5th Place – Riggin Boger of South Dakota State 6th Place – Mason Gode of North Dakota State 1st Sam Skillings (Minnesota) injury default over Andrew Sparks (Minnesota) (Inj. 3:00) 3rd Ethan Riddle (Minnesota) fall over Devin Wasley (Minnesota) (Fall 6:35) 5th Riggin Boger (South Dakota State) decision over Mason Gode (North Dakota State) (Dec 8-5) Open – 184 1st Place – Max McEnelly of Minnesota 2nd Place – Adam Cherne of North Dakota State 3rd Place – Aidan Brenot of North Dakota State 4th Place – Jaxon Bowes of South Dakota State 5th Place – Shane McConville of Jackrabbit Wrestling Club Round 1 Adam Cherne (North Dakota State) fall over Shane McConville (Jackrabbit Wrestling Club) (Fall 2:04) Max McEnelly (Minnesota) tech fall over Aidan Brenot (North Dakota State) (TF 19-4) Round 2 Aidan Brenot (North Dakota State) major decision over Jaxon Bowes (South Dakota State) (Maj 13-5) Max McEnelly (Minnesota) tech fall over Shane McConville (Jackrabbit Wrestling Club) (TF 21-6) Round 3 Max McEnelly (Minnesota) tech fall over Jaxon Bowes (South Dakota State) (TF 21-6) Adam Cherne (North Dakota State) decision over Aidan Brenot (North Dakota State) (Dec 8-4) Round 4 Adam Cherne (North Dakota State) major decision over Jaxon Bowes (South Dakota State) (Maj 13-4) Aidan Brenot (North Dakota State) tech fall over Shane McConville (Jackrabbit Wrestling Club) (TF 21-4) Round 5 Jaxon Bowes (South Dakota State) decision over Shane McConville (Jackrabbit Wrestling Club) (Dec 9-2) Max McEnelly (Minnesota) tech fall over Adam Cherne (North Dakota State) (TF 19-4) Open – 197 1st Place – Garrett Joles of Minnesota 2nd Place – Gavin Nelson of Minnesota 3rd Place – Spencer Mooberry of North Dakota State 4th Place – Brett Mower of Oregon State 5th Place – Rowan Morgan of Minnesota 6th Place – Cody Donnelly of South Dakota State 1st Garrett Joles (Minnesota) won in sudden victory – 1 over Gavin Nelson (Minnesota) (SV-1 8-5) 3rd Spencer Mooberry (North Dakota State) major decision over Brett Mower (Oregon State) (Maj 17-3) 5th Rowan Morgan (Minnesota) fall over Cody Donnelly (South Dakota State) (Fall 3:46) Open – 285 1st Place – Bennett Tabor of Minnesota 2nd Place – Bowen McConville of South Dakota State 3rd Place – Kail Wynia of South Dakota State 4th Place – Devon Dawson of North Dakota State 5th Place – Spencer Trenary of South Dakota State 6th Place – Regan Bollweg of South Dakota State 1st Bennett Tabor (Minnesota) decision over Bowen McConville (South Dakota State) (Dec 4-0) 3rd Kail Wynia (South Dakota State) won in sudden victory – 1 over Devon Dawson (North Dakota State) (SV-1 4-1) 5th Spencer Trenary (South Dakota State) fall over Regan Bollweg (South Dakota State) (Fall 4:15)

Negron looks like he filled into 184 nicely.

https://arena.flowrestling.org/event/eeb9e61b-3666-4d57-bd50-60a25a80d027

Z Elam 8-1 over Nevills. No Mizzou rep at 197 for the tournament

Joey Blaze PURDUE beats Ed Scott NCST in SV.

I'll go with dummy.

OMG. I never want to hear "headlock" and "Sheptock" in my mind at the same time ever again. Robin Ficker would scream that every four seconds for however long that particular match lasted. I have to say, though, that you having headlocked Sheptock makes me laugh! Irony. Cheers!

Hopefully this thread helps with this. Doesn’t seem there are a ton of 4x AA multi time finalize / champs for a reason. When people say things like …. So and so stinks he is barely a r12 guy…. Or is only 2-8 in the big 10 or whatever. It’s pretty sad sometimes. It’s like we eat our own sometimes. I say sometimes to much.

Kharch won 9-2 in the RTC Cup in 2020 FS

The data is for all rounds. The 33-19 was Tom Brands over Joey Gilbert in the 133 semifinal in 1991. After winning 23-8, 25-10, 12-6, and 33-19, the final was a 5-3 affair.

Le duke knows all this, he's just, "jerkin' chains." Or he's a dummy...

ASU is known to . See Shultz.

Anything is possible, but it is not likely. It is possible that you might honor your bets, but it is not likely.

When was the 33-19 final?

Good stuff.

It actually was close. Having a grip on someone's leg does not prevent you from being taken down or even pinned. There is a picture in the high school rulebook (rule 5-25-1) that illustrates this. Feldman had Catka's leg hooked. He just needed to get his own right knee on the mat beyond reaction time from what I remember. http://owoa.org/pdf files/2016-17RuleBookIillustrations.pdf

I will be happy to eat crow at the end of this season, but I’ve always felt Bouzakis reminded me of Grajales. Way stronger than his competition when he was in HS and then when he got to college his strength was no longer such an advantage. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You can't discuss an issue and ignore the crux of the issue, which - ironically - was the crux of your post!

Why not let Jessica Croissant run with this thread?

On the docks in south Florida brother. All are always welcome. Chuck eye is a very underrated hunk of meat.

Nope. Not in college. Not in high school. Not in junior high. Not in grade school. Come to think of it, I never wrestled.

That comb-over [emoji23]

So, how does Tom compare to Tom Ryan at THE Ohio State University? Ryan is 198-66 with One NCAA Title. Brands is 265-25-1 with Four NCAA Titles. Both coaches have one major problem - Cael Sanderson. He has changed the landscape much as Gery Kurelmeier/Dan Gable did.

As an Iowa fan, I actually find myself gravitating more towards your point of view than that of a lot of message board active Iowa fans. It does feel like, despite being consistently a trophy hunting team, that Iowa has underperformed and more often than I care to recall. Not having a champion every year stinks even if that might be due to PSU's success clouding my judgment. It also stinks that some of our highly touted recruits have come up short (Marinelli, Evans, Warner, Moore, come to mind) and that we seem to be beleaguered by injuries every year. I've heard many different rationalizations for these things from the fans over the years and some of them even make sense. Still, it stinks. Even admitting to all that, I'm not sure which coaching staff out there could be expected to do much better than the Brands have. It would be interesting to get someone outside of the program on staff, just to see what they could do. Iowa has gotten a very solid corps of recruits over the last half a dozen years or so but they are still behind PSU in this regard. Moreover, I would argue that they haven't even consistently been the #2 recruiting team during this time period. The last time I looked at the data I felt that that distinction belonged to The University. But my glasses may have been foggy. The transfer portal has been good to them. But, unfortunately, that seems to be our new reality and if you don't use it you'll find yourself falling behind. Even so it's not like this has played to their great advantage, either. I think PSU, and more recently, Michigan, have scooped bounties out of the portal just as much, as if not more, than Iowa.

In the last 14 tournaments they have 3 team titles, 2 seconds, 4 thirds, 4 fourths, and 1 fifth. No other team, including PSU has finished in the top 5 each of the last 14 tournaments.

I wouldn’t say he’s that much more suspect than other Russians. I think all Russian athletes in that time period, earned the suspicion. However, when you look like Geduev did, it also raises some questions. JB is ripped for sure, but Geduev looked unworldly. Plus @Interviewed_at_Weehawken hit the nail on the head that he’s still on USA fans radar because of how it affected Burroughs. He’s not going to let that go because it really affected his legacy. Some other (alleged) cheaters may be forgotten, but not ones that have monumental impacts like that.

As a Burroughs fan, I’m still bitter about a Geduev. I believe there about a 99% chance he was doping, and that there’s about a 99% chance JB wins Olympic gold in 2016 if he wasn’t!

https://www.essentiallysports.com/us-sports-news-olympics-news-wrestling-news-russian-wrestlers-doping-scandal-unravels-after-a-marathon-of-nine-years-court-of-arbitration-for-sport-drops-the-hammer/ Now do Geduev.