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Old Dominion had 8 wrestlers of color in their starting lineup when the AD dropped the sport. One of which is now at ASU. Some people can get uptight talking about diversity and always "making race a topic," but when college presidents want to beat the drum about first generation college students and their acceptance of all types, then they cut the most racially diverse team on a campus, you can best bet they don't want to hear about that. ODU's president has yet to reply to me about his predecessor allowing that to happen. Wrestling is for everyone. All shapes, all sizes, all colors. We really do embrace that in a lot of ways. There's still some stereotypes and tropes that exist in the sport that get repeated too often, mainly out of laziness. There are still groups looking to do things no one who looks like them have ever done, or most recently, like Tamyra Mensah-Stock, became the first to do. Our differences make us unique. Our differences also bond us. No matter how good or bad we were, we are wrestlers, right?

I am implementing some new security questions... hopefully this one stumps the spammers.

@flyingcement and yours truly have teamed up to bore you to tears knock your socks off with our combined wrestling wrestling data sets. Warning: one of us claims to defy the laws of physics and the other can't tell his ass from his elbow, so take it for what it is worth. Using the airborne concrete data listing the hometown state of every D1 wrestler, first we present where all the wrestlers are coming from. The first graph shows the count of wrestlers by hometown state. We already knew about Pennsylvania high school wrestling and why recruiting the NE is so important. But the number of wrestlers coming out of California cannot be ignored. However, this is just half of the story. If I have to fly all the way to California I will need to sift through a lot of people to find the wrestlers. Will it be worth my time? OK, let's see what things look like when we normalize for population. I guess I need to find a connecting flight to California, preferably one with a stop over in Iowa. And every team needs to have a recruiter stationed in Alaska. More to come. I will fold the expected points data in with the location data to see where the points are coming from at NCAAs. Any other ideas? I am open to persuasion.

Recruits from inside the state vs outside. If the wrestler claims a hometown or a high school that is within the same state as the college, they go into column two below. School Out-of-State In-State Duke 100.00% 0.00% Davidson 100.00% 0.00% Army 100.00% 0.00% American 100.00% 0.00% Air Force 97.44% 2.56% Campbell 97.30% 2.70% Sacred Heart 96.49% 3.51% Columbia 94.87% 5.13% Little Rock 94.12% 5.88% North Dakota State 93.94% 6.06% Brown 91.67% 8.33% Navy 90.48% 9.52% North Carolina 90.00% 10.00% Bellarmine 84.38% 15.63% West Virginia 83.78% 16.22% Nebraska 82.35% 17.65% Harvard 82.35% 17.65% Wyoming 81.48% 18.52% Stanford 80.77% 19.23% Garder-Webb 80.77% 19.23% Princeton 79.31% 20.69% Virginia 78.57% 21.43% Arizona State 78.38% 21.62% Presbyterian 78.26% 21.74% South Dakota State 77.14% 22.86% Chattanooga 76.67% 23.33% NC State 76.47% 23.53% Utah Valley 75.00% 25.00% Oregon State 73.17% 26.83% Virginia Tech 72.41% 27.59% Cornell 72.22% 27.78% LIU 72.22% 27.78% Michigan 71.43% 28.57% George Mason 71.43% 28.57% Lindenwood 68.97% 31.03% Northwestern 66.67% 33.33% Maryland 64.52% 35.48% Southern Illinois Edwardsville 64.29% 35.71% Drexel 62.86% 37.14% Minnesota 62.50% 37.50% Citadel 62.50% 37.50% Pennsylvania 61.90% 38.10% Purdue 60.71% 39.29% Appalachian State 60.61% 39.39% Northern Illinois 60.00% 40.00% Iowa State 59.52% 40.48% Penn State 59.38% 40.63% Indiana 58.62% 41.38% Oklahoma 57.14% 42.86% Hofstra 56.52% 43.48% Kent State 55.81% 44.19% Ohio State 54.55% 45.45% Northern Colorado 54.55% 45.45% Franklin & Marshall 51.72% 48.28% Missouri 51.28% 48.72% Iowa 50.00% 50.00% Wisconsin 50.00% 50.00% Oklahoma State 48.72% 51.28% Ohio 48.57% 51.43% Buffalo 46.67% 53.33% Bucknell 45.16% 54.84% California Baptist 44.83% 55.17% Edinboro 42.31% 57.69% Virginia Military 41.94% 58.06% Clarion 41.67% 58.33% Queens 41.67% 58.33% Lehigh 41.46% 58.54% Central Michigan 40.00% 60.00% Michigan State 38.89% 61.11% Binghamton 36.00% 64.00% Rider 35.14% 64.86% Bloomsburg 34.78% 65.22% Northern Iowa 34.29% 65.71% Cal Poly 34.21% 65.79% Pittsburgh 30.30% 69.70% Illinois 21.21% 78.79% Lock Haven 19.35% 80.65% Rutgers 18.75% 81.25% Cleveland State 16.67% 83.33% CSU Bakersfield 0.00% 100.00%

the irony is so thick i can not hardly stand it...

Trying to distance yourself from AJ, but like the orange and black? Wrestling coach got you down for not signing your waiver? Tired of hearing about PSU and Iowa? Get off that ankle ride, quit stalling and order your Beaver wrestling gear. OSU Beaver wrestling with a new line of hoodies and t-shirts. This has been a shameless plug from Idaho. https://oregonstatewrestling23.itemorder.com/shop/home/

Thanks guys! Trying to clean it up now.

And people are right! So many of their top wrestlers, unlike in years past, are wrestling close matches constantly, and yet they (almost) always win them, and none of their top guys ever seem to lose. Very frustrating as a fan of an opposing team, but impressive nonetheless. We've all seen their stats in the NCAA semis and such. I'm not even sure what the point of this thread is, I was just watching some videos during my lunch break and thinking about how, normally, if guy's wrestle always close matches, we think of it as living dangerously, especially at the NCAA tournament, but none of us think that about the Penn State guys in that way BECAUSE THEY NEVER LOSE THOSE MATCHES. Even when they do lose a close match, like Brooks last year to Amine or this year to Coleman, we always expect them to win the next time they meet, and will always win at NCAAs. Sigh.

I generally go to a wrestling forum for medical advice but its nice to know can also shop flights.

Bob, please reinstate that post. i need airline assistance and the first place i think to look is a college wrestling message board. tia.

I know Pennsylvania and Iowa like to debate which state is the Mecca of wrestling. Well, @flyingcement and I are here to tell you that they are a pair of pretenders. If you want to score points we have some time tested advice for you. Go West, young man, Go West. Get ye to the north of the Dakotas. Combining flyingcement's geographic data (I cannot imagine how much work that was) with Intermat's latest rankings and my expected points per seed tells us how many points per million residents each state is expected to contribute to their team's totals. So, @VakAttack if you really want to put an end to Penn State's despotic rule you need to get the Brands brothers (Brands of Brothers?) to recruit a ND wrestler at every weight.

May the wrath of @jajensen09 be merciful in its swift administration of justice.

You kids are on fire tonight. Thanks, I needed it.

I was trying to take a light jab at his arrogance but, 1) I'm just some faceless entity on the internet. Meanwhile, he is on track to be a college great, 2) his attitude has served him well this far, and 3) I have no reason to believe that his positive traits don't far outweigh his negative ones

Ive never felt so transparent

this thread would better served trying to guess @Mr. PeanutButter actual gender or ethnicity... i will start... Puerto Rican Jew... gender fluid... no doubt

Think I speak for many on these here new boards in saying we are glad Mr. PB changed his identification.

Holy crap guys. Can we please keep the posts to under 49.5 words? Asking for a friend. One who don't read words good.

any chance PSU could get the other 3 Caucasian wrestlers to identify as some other ethnic group? 10 for 10 be another quality thread...

clearly

Data behind the location graph. Nigeria really needs to step it up.

Does your data explain how Mendez will be able to beat RBY?

i've said the last few years that iowa has a path. the problem is penn state never falters. ever. it defies logic, really. you'd expect them to lose a few 1pt matches along the line.

you self-identify as one of my favorite food staples - so I give you the benefit right off the bat

shockingly real, intelligent, and either she really does feel a deep sense of civic duty or she is a total psychopath and fooled me... she hits every check mark but one... veteran considerably above average intelligence extremely articulate extremely well informed female being attractive does not hurt interested in actual civil service does not play the game shit... hold on... can't have that... and she has a chance for the nomination against one of the scummiest families in american politics? that was not ever going to happen, so, they just smeared her with lies and the trite propaganda that clearly still works with the average citizen in this country while propping up the someone who satan would not invite to dinner... this is all a game with the highest of stakes and we will never be allowed to play... just get moved around the board and used as fodder...

only a major, odd ... just did a search of one of your favorite "words" and got:

Love it when we get dueling dictionaries. I have Oxford English in a major decision over Merriam-Webster. Noah Webster was a punk.

Is there a wrong answer?

Ron Paul Andrew Yang There are many more. They have zero chance of serious presidential consideration. Independent thought is too big a risk to profits to the 1%ers.

This is your yukiest thread yet. It's hard for me to read what the OP wrote and not boil it down to "oh wow, the wrestlers on PSU are black AND good at wrestling! Mind blown!!!" I strongly doubt Cael and company Look at a wrestler's ethnicity, religious beliefs, sexual orientation, etc when making recruiting decisions. I assume they take character into consideration but I doubt they look at skin color when making that evaluation. The PSU team is full of really great wrestlers who, as far as I can tell, are great men in general (except for Carter). They have reached the pinnacle of the sport, doubtlessly overcoming countless set backs and challenges. That's what they should be celebrated for. As long as they continue to work hard, wrestle hard, do their schoolwork, and avoid getting into trouble, why even factor in diversity? Someone will inevitably take this to mean that I'm against diversity or some crackpot. To that, all I have to say is: bold of you to assume my gender or ethnicity

Speaking of Atari … these were delivered from back home last week. Still gotta spend the time to get the consoles working/plugged in to see if they work.

Australia- DEFINITELY not "ZERO evidence, logic, data and/or facts that support banning any gun will stop the shootings from happening." Of course as bump stocks are still legal in this country...meaning, you CAN effectively get the same gun the US Military uses is pretty telling. They're not gonna do anything. It took a mass shooting in which nearly 500 people were shot and ~60 were killed before we even tried to ban them...but of course you had the Gun Lobby funding an appeal claiming that was unconstitutional...and they were successful. But here's your evidence that...it absolutely does work. And yet, I don't think anyone's suggesting going THIS far. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-can-australias-reaction-to-a-mass-shooting-teach-us-about-guns-and-gun-control/ -Registration, just like drivers Ed, Gun Education. Hunter's safety, but you could simply add some self defense components. -No extended magazines. You can go hunting for deer with 10 rounds(or you really shouldn't be hunting). -No private sales as I previously suggested. -Ballistics tests on all guns. Do you think people who sell guns may be a BIT more selective about who they sell guns to. I'm not advocating for an Australian like ban, but you can't say there's your long winded way of saying there's no evidence that banning guns will lead to a reduction in mass shooting events. I own 36 guns. I've accumulated them from Grandparents, my Father...I even got my CC. The class was laughable. I also learned how to shoot when I was young. But the suggestion that NOBODY knows what an assault weapon is or that if a gun can kill someone, then it throws the whole, "a gun ban will work," argument out of the window...just like the silly list of guns that have been used in War, literally going back to the gun Custer used. -Oh, and hollow point are not really necessary in handguns. I carry it with me when I go up to my Cabin because there are wolves and Cougars and things like that...but mainly because they were passed down when my Grandpa died. People have fetishized guns and it's strange. None of these things will ever happen because of my prior statement, and because of the NRA which has gotten so extreme and out of control, Bush Sr wrote a letter condemning them in a public way of cancelling his membership.

You can though. You LITERALLY can and we were literally given the power to do EXACTLY that. Scotus voted 5-4...so if the GOP hadn't kinda stolen SCOTUS, it could have easily gone the other way and LITERALLY interpreted the 2nd. "In order to maintain a WELL REGULATED MILITIA,".... But yes, you ABSOLUTELY can pick and choose. See how black people are no longer slaves and no longer 3/5th of a human being? That's because we pick and choose. See how we all get to vote for President instead of 68 people like in the first couple elections? That's because we get to pick and choose. We've got to pick and choose. That was kinda the ENTIRE point of the Constitution. Oh, and we're not the "most free" Country. Those pesky "socialist" Countries in Scandinavia are the most free...plus Canada, England, among others. We're the 23rd most free; https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index/2022 If you didn't have private prisons and Judges who get kickbacks for sending kids to prison, we may be higher, but I think having the most people in prison in the world lowers our rankings in the "most free country" category.

When they kiiled 20 kids and absolutely nothing changed...that's when I knew this was a lost issue. I figured...MAYBE after Vegas I was wrong, but...same end result effectively. Special interests going to bat for "bump stocks," using proxies to do it. It's almost funny. What's also funny is how "crime is up," because a guy had a story about someone laying under his truck to steal gas, but you point to these mass shootings(there have been a string of about 6 big ones in a ~3-4 day period) and that's statistically irrelevant if you add up ALL the days kids go to school and then you add all the schools... Jesus Christ...people think it's normal and healthy to have kids doing active shooter drills. Like that in and of itself won't have an impact on kids. Reading through this thread is just depressing and it explains how Joe Biden and the Ds have won the Oval and then basically won in the Mid Terms. Lying means NOTHING anymore. If it did...George Santos would NOT be a member of Congress(nor would Trump be worshiped with a literal Gold Statue people rub at Cpac, but that's another issue). MTG, Boebert, Jordan... So if lying to get elected to congress means nothing, why are people gonna care about lying or giving..."alternative facts," on message boards?

Holy shit LJB is embarrassing

Please leave starting stupid topics to me please. Stay in your lane dude.

Okay if RBY wins, I'll change my avatar for one month to a picture of your choosing if Mendez wins, you have to change to your avatar to any picture of Ethan Lizak (also for a month)

Yes, people realize that. And every single time, it is a pathetic display of poor sportsmanship that should be rectified. Every single time.

Yes, in addition to what I always say, they're devoted to keeping stupid people angry and uninformed.

Whatever happened to the scary Caravans of Immigrants or Welfare Queens? Is it possible that people are being lead from topic to topic on an Outrage Tour?

Exactly. Had the homicide rate rapidly plummeted a few months before midterms, not a one of the 30 percenters would have applauded it, but, rather, lamented it. I once asked a question to a group of 30 percenters a few years back during an election season that told me all that I needed to know. I clarified their views at that time about their illusion that crime is up, libruls support welfare, undocumenteds are flooding across, etc, etc., to which they all verified. I then followed it up by asking if all of these imagined "problems" suddenly reversed and Democrats and libberols were in power when the reversal occurred, would you be happy with that outcome. Sheepishly, they all answered "no," as it would mean that they would likely lose the upcoming election. Conclusion to be drawn? The 30 percenters aren't interested in seeing "problems" go away, but, rather, winning elections and everyone be damned. And people wonder why I don't vote, nor aprticipate in this charade that we call a "political system?"

As I posted in my initial reply to you. Yes, the homicide rate IS temporarily up, but CRIME, overall, is down, as it has been for decades (homicide rate was down for decades too). The problem is is that Tattletale "News" and the criminals on AM radyo only drum beated crime in general, over and over again, as you continued to parrot, as you were told to do, but never specified that ONLY the homicide rate is up. Furthermore, not all cities saw increases in their homicide rates, many of which were deliberately incorrectly conveyed to the 30 percenters. I simply clarified that crime is NOT up, but, yes, the homicide rate is temporarily up.

The point of bringing up rising crime was to blame the president, right?

I live an hour south of San Francisco. I have suffered no crime here. Therefore San Francisco is totally without crime, right?

Probably.

I live less than a half an hour from Baltimore and I've had no crimes committed against me (unless you count god awful driving). So clearly crime is down.

The plural of anecdote is not data.