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SO, John was still training and still pretty much in his prime of wrestling. TJ, obviously tough as hell. RUMOR has it, TJ got the better of him in a few goes and John injured TJ, his ankle. This is a rumor that I have heard from a few people that were in the program. TJ said he was leaving, and John said he would never allow him to transfer out. This part is fact: The team was gone out of town on a dual, and TJ went into the AD's office and said, I am here to sign my transfer papers. AD says, I have no idea what you are talking about. TJ acts pissed, and says, John said they would be ready for me to sign. AD says, I cannot do that without John approving. TJ says, I will call him right now, acts like he is on the phone, does the "yep, i am in here and he says he didn't know about it etc" Obviously didn't talk to JOhn, but hangs up the phone. TJ says there you go, he said go ahead and draft them up and let me sign. AD does it. TJ signs transfer out. TJ is gone, heading to North Carolina and John gets back and is pissed...All sounds nuts, but it was way back before social media etc. That part about the transfer, I was told is a fact. I have never asked TJ directly about this, but I do have a friend that wrestled with him, that told me the story.

You at one point said you partially live off of your girlfriends salary.

Ian Miller was like a kid who only hit the cool looking homerun moves, but then when he made it all the way to the top level of college wrestling with that stuff, coaches have to re-think what they call "junk moves". Dylan Ness is probably the only wrestler to get to the level he did without learning how to sprawl. I'm going to throw out a name to discuss: Tony Davis. He, Drew Foster, and Parker Keckeisen are the most recent modern era NCAA champs from UNI, but something that made Tony's story different is that he didn't wrestle his senior year of HS and was caught up in Chicago gang lifestyle, which was WAAAY worse in the 90's. JUCO and Mark Manning helped him turn it around and win a natty. He was considered one of the best kid's wrestlers in IL history and I don't think he lost at all through youth, middle school, and his first 3 years of high school. He lost in the IL state final to Reggie Wright as a junior (one of the best HS matches ever), and his life completely spun out of control after the loss.

Dang..St marks was good back then. I lost to him twice, and won once, both times he got me at the buzzer, he could scramble. Kinda "Cooperman" like. Hard to score on...

Rickie Durso from F&M

While combing through all of these brackets, one stuck out in particular as maybe the most broken bracket I've ever seen. This is the 2006 157 pound bracket. #1 seed Trent Paulson upset in the 1/4's by #9 Joe Johnston (he would go on to take 4th) #2 seed C.P. Schlatter upset in R16 by (US) Andrew Flanagan, wins one match on the backside before being eliminated by (US) Tony Hook. #3 seed Alex Tirapelle upset in 1/4's by #11 Derek Zinck, and then is eliminated after his next match in R12 by #7 Dustin Manotti #4 seed Matt Lebe upset in the R16 by (US) Michael Chandler, and is eliminated after dropping his next match to #7 Manotti #5 seed Ben Cherrington is your national champion #6 seed Brandon Becker upset in R16 by #11 Derek Zinck (he would go on to take 7th) #7 seed Dustin Manotti upset in R32 by (US) Tony Hook, he would then battle all the way back for 3rd taking out #3 and #4 en route #8 Craig Henning wrestled to his seed with an 8th place finish Some interesting facts that come out of this bracket.. The #2, #3, and #4 wrestlers failed to place None of the top 4 seeds reached the semis The semis were #5 vs #9 and #10 vs #11 #5 Ben Cherrington won a national title without facing a wrestler seeded above him #10 Brian Stith made it to the finals without facing a wrestler seeded above him So, you had a national finals between a #5 and #10 and neither wrestler faced anyone seeded higher than #9 to get there. I'd be surprised if this has happened any other time in the modern era. Can anyone think of any other brackets that compare to this kind of combustibility?

In another thread, I posted a vid of the dc major asking for control over the national guard to combat crime in front of congress….. two years ago. The whining is just hatred for anything that T does.

25 years ago my wife and I linked red food dye to our young son’s migraines. Skittles, Nibs, Doritos… stuff he didn’t need, but our son had to suffer through the migraines until we found the pattern.

Jason Tsirtsis and Andrew Howe were coaching against each other at freestyle state this past summer I was pointing them out to some of my kids, who asked "who are those people"

You forgot to say something there boss

This post right here says WAY more about you then the person you are writing about.

I always did/do the same thing when on the treadmill or any other torture device. Helps disassociate, especially helpful when miserably cutting weight or doubling up workouts on the lungs and brain.

Nah, I was talking about Men of Honor. By this response you prove you don't qualify.

Words mean things. These words mean one thing. All else is BS, quibbling, prevaricating, weasel-words, and unbecoming of men of honor. I have enough respect and honor for any Iranian to believe him when he says Death to America that he means exactly what those words mean.

Your prediction history is sketchy and full of things that don’t occur.

Viktor Sveda Jeff Knupp Sonny Marchette

Watched him wrestle a bunch at St. Edward. He was 1 of 2 people to ever beat David Taylor in high school. Didnt have the mindset/heart to continue with wrestling once he got to Illinois.

And it all comes down to depth. While 2018 has higher point totals at the top, 2014 blows 2018 away with higher point totals for 21 of the 25 scoring wrestlers in each bracket (with one tie).

I like to give people some time to respond before spoiling a good conversation with a bunch of nerd talk. Speaking of nerd talk... 2014 does run away with it here.

HOLY $hit. Dude. Those that don't know, need to go look him up. Newby was one of the most dominant highschool wrestlers I've ever laid eyes on. The other for me was TJ Jaworski and I would honestly say Newby was better in highschool, and I know that is a mouth full. EVERYONE wanted him, he goes to OSU, fought with Smith about what weight to go, and then left and went to OU and fizzled out. Like to play in his band and party. I ran into him prolly 3-4 years ago, and I was kinda a fanboy to be honest. My gawd he was good...Thank you for bringing that one up. If anyone can find film on him, please look it up. He was slick man

You are correct, we don’t know. And we should ignore particular context clues such as, for example, yelling out prayer sayings that are exclusive to the Muslim faith. Because what we all do know, is that being a follower of the Muslim faith creates an internal immunity to schizophrenia. (Which, we don’t even know if he has schizophrenia, we just know that someone somewhere said that). He’s been arrested, he’s been charged, he’s been and will again be in front of the courts….regardless of his faith or medical status. I think we can all move on now.

Pham went from barely speaking English in 1992 to majoring in ceramic engineering at UofI in 2000. That is some brains.

Viewership is up because of Taylor and Travis.

Twan Pham - Illinois. Born in Vietnam and raised Siamese fighting fish (I'll never forget that fun fact). Moved to Hong Kong then the Philippines then the Chicago burbs. Became a very good gymnast and decent wrestler in HS. Started at Northern IL. Transferred to Illinois and sat behind 2x finalist Kyle Ott. Finally cracked varsity and became a 2x NQ.

Parris > Hillger, so that is better for us going forward, to have Parris and Pindrickson making one another the best versions of themselves that they can. I know Kerk is in the mix, too - but he needs to get healthy/stay healthy before I consider him to be a threat at the senior level.

Dang.....interesting. You would know....

David Craig

Then prove it.

Picktown guy eh...

Lol. Bring it. Except my statements are 100% true.

Yeah I reckon Tazhudinov fills out to 125 by 2032 he is too big to not eventually go to heavy weight. So I think that's why Bahrain didn't go for him.

Hokit did NOT like Bo Nickal offering to help him up at NCAAs - not at all

Lehigh: 125: Sheldon Seymour 133: Ryan Crookham 141: Carter Bailey 149: Luke Stanich 157: Logan Rozynski 165: Max Brignola 174: Rylan Rogers 184: Caden Rogers 197: JT Davis 285: Nathan Taylor

I remember responding once to a long post about what death to America means to those saying it and how it’s different for those who hear it. I found that those saying it don’t care how the people hearing it feel. They don’t want to understand that using the term negates what they believe they intended it to mean. When you question them they run straight to the “you have a full belly and will never understand” card. They also don’t understand that just because you’re rural or maybe a wrestler that you may be educated but just have different viewpoints than they do. Especially different beliefs than the countries they live in, complain about yet do nothing about. They tend to talk while sitting on their hands letting it continue even though they have no freedom to speak of. And they certainly don’t understand that even the worst extremists in America are nothing compared to extremists in the rest of the world. And that in America we’re allowed to be extreme based on our beliefs unlike other places around the world. It’s called free speech, something treasured more than anything else in the world. And here’s something I figured out: They will never do anything about it. They will continue allowing things like arranged marriages, electing puppet Presidents and bowing down to a crooked and corrupt regime.

Omar Ayoub is going to have a battle to start but I think he could be great. Wrestled Larkin tough at Pan ams and I think is probably a better folk guy. Beat Diversent last year 7-4 and Diversent beat Noto,Burwick,Grice.

I wonder if there is concern for him that Taz ends up at heavy.

Some of these modern day weed strains, just sitting in a bag in a drawer wrapped in a sock - brand new and not having been smoked at all - can not only stink up a room, it can be smelled on different floors of a house. Incredibly pungent. These days, dogs are not necessarily required to detect unsmoked pot...a human nose suffices.

It sounds like he had flower and not vapes/carts. A tiny little jar of today's nugs will stink up an entire room, much less a car. In terms of marijuana consumption, smoking flower is absolutely the least discreet way of going about it. Vape pens and especially edibles barely have any odor that a human (K9 might be different) would notice in a routine stop.

The most busted bracket of all time is all ten in 2020:

@Jon_Kozak glad we were on the same wavelength! https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/14459990-2025-u20-world-championships-preview-predictions-mens-freestyle

You guarantee that for sure.

Miller still rolling with kids--fantastic guy. He smashes everything he touches. He's a monster.

Proof please.

Sammy Brooks' mullet

My boy knew about this one and was involved in his move. This came down to a few different schools, Carter is good, he should be at 149 I believe.

Ian Miller coached my kid, and that is one bad MOFO. I think you could ask Jon Jon Millner and he would agree. My kid said there are coaches that are great at going through technique and then will "roll with you" then there is Ian Miller who is gonna beat the hell out of you. He said, we would be warming up, and if we saw Coach Miller tying his shoes, we knew we were screwed.

And a Dailey Bacon Fry is even better.

It may or may not work out, but how is it an awful idea for sure? Igor Rosotorotsky was the second best wrestler on the planet when he was a young man. He should have been at minimum a 2 or 3 time Olympic medalist with many World and European medals. But because of wrestling's unfair ways of selecting athletes to compete and the lack of transferring in his era, he was denied a full career (retired at 26). Now he's just a foot note, a trivia question about someone else's career. I wish transferring was a thing back in the 80s and 90s. I think Igor would have been part of many special moments. Other sports don't do this. They let people compete from more than one country if they're that good. Why do wrestlers have to sacrifice themselves for seemingly these arbitrarily designed processes (when there is an obvious out). You're only young once and time goes quickly. If you want to have a wrestling career and you can go somewhere where you can qualify, what's the downside exactly? Unless Masoumi is angling to be a politician in Iran after he retires? But you still need to have a good career even for that to happen. Well Ali Arslan is not a 2 meter tall super heavyweight, I don't know why he transfered. Masoumi can't chop his leg off and make 97 to help Iran. So he's either not on the team or he beats Zare (or whoever else comes up). Either way, a really good wrestler is not contributing (besides other countries not having them). It's not just about beating Zare. There's more to wrestling than beating one opponent. What if Zare is just a bad match up for him? What if someone else can beats Zare for him in a tournament? Masoumi can never beat Zare again and win an Olympic, it's not that far fetched. Plus he can win silver and bronze medals at all the biggest tournaments even if Zare stops him every time. He has the option of trying to beat Zare or aging him out. But Zare is only 24. Are you going to wait 10 years for a guy you're only 3 years the junior of. And you won't be getting that time back. Personally, I'd just be proud that my nation produced a great athlete like that. I'd be mad at the dumb rules that forced his hand to transfer and cheer for them anyways.

This is great analysis- thank you! Here's what I'm thinking...you can book it now! 57kg - I think DNP is a little hard on Knox. I think he takes BRONZE. I think Sakamoto (JPN) is the favorite and beats Knox H2H. Other Challengers: Aitanov (KAZ)- he wrestled Lilledahl tough at Cadets two different years. I haven't seen Ozdamirov (RUS) enough and I'm not ready to anoint Zangaladze (GEO) quite yet. 61kg - Blaze for GOLD. Besides Toktamotov (KRG), I think Begoyan (ARM) is toughest (and beat Saitiev at Euro U20). Khateri (IRI) is capable of medaling here too. 65kg - is TOUGH TOUGH! Stanich is BRONZE. I think Dhzandubaev (RUS) is the favorite, followed by Toprak (TUR), but I can also easily see Uulu (KRG - U17 World Champ who beat Jordyn Raney) or Ashwani (IND) finding their way to Gold- neither will be an easy out. Sleeper is Karimov (AZE) who is former U17 Euro Champ and beat Magomedov in a wild one. 70kg - As strong as 65kg is, 70kg is just as weak. Duke for GOLD. I think Elahi (IRI) will be his biggest test, and maybe Ito (JPN) who beat Melvin Miller at U17 last year. 74kg - This weight is also underwhelming to me. Lockett for GOLD. Khaniev (RUS), Wagin (GER - who I still can't get behind) and Mamivand (IRI) will be his stiffest tests but keep an eye out for Yamaguchi (JPN), a former U17 Silver medalist. 79kg - I don't think Henckel finds the podium DNP. Too many tough guys here- Yousefi (IRI) is the favorite. Begenjov (TRK) and Amit (IND) will also be factors. Sleepers are Omarov (AZE) and Tchetchelashvili (GEO). 86kg - McEnelly for SILVER. If he can avoid being turned in par terre, he beats everyone in this group except Rahmani (IRI) who is my pick to win this weight. 92kg - Conner for BRONZE/DNP. Depends on the draw. Poyonov (UZB) is the favorite, and Sachin (IND) is one to watch out for- I think both beat Conner H2H. I don't recognize too many of the other guys 97kg - Rademacher for SILVER. He always looks undersized, and I can't figure out why?!? Alizadeh (IRI) gets this one done. Iran sending a strong team. Petriashvili (GEO) and Magamedov (RUS) are neck and neck but neither quite there yet. 125kg - I didn't pay too much attention to HWT so I'll pass on prediction.