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Walked away to tell my wife something and missed it like an idiot!

I never realized how much of Pat Pops face is just beard…like a good 40%

Say what you will about him, but at least Chris Bono never forced his crappy album onto my phone and wouldn't let me delete it.

SMH...my guess is that you are very young and have spent your whole life in academia. I sure hope what you wrote makes you feel so much better about yourself...because other than serving that purpose it is nothing but blow hard, victimhood, virtue signaling. In the REAL world, here is the situation...people are different...people have mental health issues (I know I have them at times)...but everybody has equal rights to pretty much everything regardless of their differences. But what people like you and others can't wrap your head around is that it isn't someone's "right" to compete against girls just because they feel they are a girl when in fact they are a biological male. It isn't someone's "right" to use the bathroom at the same time as someone of the opposite biological sex. Etc. As for inferring how I or even a certain group of people actually feel about something, you maybe need to take the victimhood glasses off and just listen to what we/others are saying and quit inferring things that aren't true. I have no problem with anyone who wants to think they are something other than what their biology says they are (that isn't a societal construct by the way). I am 100% support of equal rights for everyone, except criminals of violent crimes. I don't think anyone, or any group of people should be oppressed. I don't think anyone should be judged based on their skin color, race, sexual orientation, etc., but rather judged based on who they are as a person. But here is the kicker...in the real world, there are ALWAYS going to be a-holes who do very bad things...that will never change. We should always be vigilant and stop those people as much as we can, but we also shouldn't play victim at every turn and then blame half the country for those a-holes in society...who more than likely have a genetic defect themselves!

All NCAA sports need their schools.... NIL comes from connections to the schools.... big time donors, business owners, etc. WIthout a connection to the school and sponsored by the school, sports become a separate league or minor league system such as the XFL. I don't think school donors are interested in supporting a minor league team versus their alma mater. Splitting off from the NCAA could be good for schools as well, but it could also have dangerous consequences. If football wants to split off and do their own thing let them do it. Let's see if that money stays there.

Mentor district is The district qualified to after sectionals in that part (Cleveland) of the state. It's been the best district going back decades, to the mid eighties I believe. Located in the NE part of the state. Nicknamed, "The Mentor Meatgrinder."

If you are from Pennsylvania he would be a four -timers.

Why the asterisk? His freshman year would have been a redshirt, but it was the free year, so he wrestled. I don't see any cause for an asterisk.

That is kind of fake stuff slipped in to make Kyle Dake feel like he's having an impact on the staff.

Yes, you absolutely will be seeing more posts from me. We have one child left at home; he chose not to wrestle. We have a blended family, and my boys were wrestlers from a young age. Alas, they are grown and doing amazing things in adulthood; what we miss the most is simply the time with them spent at countless tournaments!!

This would be such a cool dual to be at, NC state has a great following and support it seams! love to see a sold out basketball court with wrestling mats on it

the most underrated antagonist in the history of sports movies. Guys real life story was amazing too.

HEY... Hightail it to the "Separated at Birth" topic and post that w/ Mullet, er, uh MULLEN's pict. (That'll be a winnah!) D3

Sonny Sasso would have put up a better fight This feels like the best version of Trent Hidlay we've ever seen

D3

I feel like a dummy already. He looks good

Never let the wife trick you into having a conversation when wrestling is on.

Smile at her BUT DON'T DO DAT!!! D3

I appreciate the heads up from Brian Smith. It's being blindsided that sucks as a fan

David Carr, junior world champion and NCAA champion, disagrees with your mentality. Here is what he said last year before their first match

I think he's decided just to focus on the Olympic Qualifier next weekend. A big weight cut two weekends in a row probably isn't going to help him. He isn't ducking Lee. The goal is to qualify. He has a reasonable chance of beating Richards if they are on the same side of the bracket. If not, there is always a last chance Qualifier

Didn't you guy see pyles 12 minute definitive breakdown where he broke news like this is still a rivalry, carr is 2-1 against o-toole, but KOT won at NCAAs so even though Carr has more wins it sort of doesn't matter because wrestlers care about who wins the NCAA tournament and KOT won the tournament but that doesn't mean pyles is counting Carr out, because carr can make adjustments but will KOT make adjustments, and anticipated counter adjustments, and adjustments adjustments all over the place...but pyles won't tell us that they are... Jokes aside I think KOT has continually improved. I think he's gonna run the table and win the hodge.

Carr’s losses are in tournaments, he excels in duals. I’ll pick Carr.

Carr has been looking really good having fun and its in Ames so Carr this time.

Yep... as soon as the system is disconnected from the school, it will become like that minor league baseball team that you have in your town that has Balloon Clown night to try to get families to attend. There is a huge difference between a community of people who support a school VS. community support for an amateur minor league team. The financial bottom line will be very ugly. But perhaps that's what needs to happen???? There is a lot to that conversation, but I will leave it there for now. Agree 100% ... attendance is down and what used to be the students competing for spots in a program is now colleges competing for the students. We have friends who have their kids in the local JC doing apprenticeships in their various trade schools. Cheap tuition, 1 class a week for 3 hours, the rest is on the job training full-time while being paid. Good route to go. Lot's of companies are also now doing their own training and apprenticeships. My son in law got accepted into an apprenticeship program with a local air company. He learned to work on Jets, got his certificates and got paid a decent full time wage while doing it. He will be making 6 figures in a couple years. Not bad for a mid-twenties kid to be trained for free, no school loans and making a good wage.

I thought it was military service, I'll have to check again. BTW, these questions are great. Even though I have tons of the data at my disposal, some of these questions don't jump out at me and when you post something that I have to look up, it often leads me down a different rabbit hole. Every educational, not just for me, but for everyone. It's important that we share our "pre-internet" history of the sport, because there's a lot of great stories and situations that unfolded in those times.

Interviewed Al last year for Rummy Macias’ 100th birthday. Interesting guy.

Honestly I just remembered I wrote in a different thread that I wouldn’t be shocked if they got 7. But then I did the math and the probability based on my own personal odds was like 0.1%, so I guess that “should” be shocking. But that was a few weeks ago and my odds for Bartlett and Haines would increase since then.

If they get the calls like they did with Max Dean’s title walk, 7 or 8 is definitely possible.

Taylor was simply destroying people - all the time. He seemed like the unstoppable force. Had this huge aura about him. Neither KOT nor Star have that. Dake was a riddle. Often won by a little. But was doing the 4 weight class thing with no redshirt. Still - didn’t have the hype that DT had. Then two super close matches leading up to NCAAs where it seemed so many had predicted DT wins but Dake had found a way each time. Then Taylor destroys to the finals — seemed to be on A game, Dake not so much. All came together for a some real excitement.

Why an asterisk? No redshirt. 4 in five years. Just like Cael, Pat Smith, Steiber.

I'll call it a trilogy for Dave Schultz....2 were mentioned Foxcatcher and Team Foxcatcher, but I didn't see the third one mentioned....ESPN's "Prince of Pennsylvania".....Fadz

Killer O'Toole bumping up to take out the DBOAT while putting his 4th title on the line would be more epic than watching any college Kyle Dake match This is assuming Killer goes undefeated from here on out.

Dake-DT would be bigger if Taylor hadn't gotten stuck in the finals his RSFR year. Yeah yeah, Dake did it at four different weights but KOT prevailed in what was arguably the toughest weight class each year. But we're getting waaaay ahead of ourselves in this debate.

...yes, nobody will see them coming.

This .

Personally I presume all high level athletes are using PEDs in some form.

You have become very dull.

So they are juicing? That explains it.

After Thomas Gilman tried to fight the entire Okie State team, Chandler Rogers and a couple of the other OSU guys laughed it off at the post-dual presser and said Gilman wasn't a very bright guy

@Jeffkern126

Thursday, February 22: Presbyterian at The Citadel 3:00 PM ESPN+ Cleveland State at Kent State 7:00 PM Boxcast Rider at Pittsburgh 7:00 PM ESPN+ Friday, February 23: Rider at Cleveland State 2:00 PM FloWrestling Queens at Davidson 5:00 PM FloWrestling Central Michigan at Michigan State 6:30 PM B1G+ Harvard at Brown 7:00 PM ESPN+ Presbyterian at Davidson 7:00 PM Chattanooga at Indiana 7:00 PM B1G+ Drexel at Maryland 7:00 PM B1G+ Virginia Tech at NC State 7:00 PM ACC Network Duke at North Carolina 7:00 PM ACC Network Extra Morgan State at Penn 7:00 PM ESPN+ Virginia at Pittsburgh 7:00 PM ACC Network Extra Bucknell at Princeton 7:00 PM ESPN+ SIU Edwardsville at Northern Illinois 8:00 PM ESPN+ Missouri at Northern Iowa 8:00 PM FloWrestling Saturday, February 24: California Baptist at Utah Valley 1:00 PM GoUVU YouTube Franklin & Marshall, Maryland at F&M Scramble 2:00 PM Centennial Digital Network Sacred Heart at Brown 3:00 PM ESPN+ Hofstra at Drexel 4:00 PM FloWrestling Campbell at VMI 5:00 PM Buffalo at Ohio 7:00 PM ESPN+ Lehigh at Arizona State 9:00 PM Pac-12 Arizona Sunday, February 25: Davidson at Wildcat Open 10:00 AM George Mason, Indiana at Patriot Last Chance Open 10:00 AM Queens, Utah Valley at National Collegiate Open, Smyrna, DE 10:00 AM American at Columbia 12:00 PM ESPN+ Chattanooga at Bellarmine 1:00 PM ESPN+ Binghamton at Cornell 1:00 PM ESPN+ Little Rock at Lindenwood 1:00 PM ESPN+ Gardner-Webb at Appalachian State 2:00 PM AppState YouTube Michigan at Central Michigan 2:00 PM ESPN+ Wisconsin at Northern Iowa 2:00 PM FloWrestling Edinboro at Penn State 2:00 PM B1G+ Nebraska at Arizona State 3:00 PM Pac-12 Insider Missouri at Iowa State 3:00 PM ESPN+ Iowa at Oklahoma State 3:00 PM FS1 North Dakota State at South Dakota State 3:00 PM FloWrestling American at Army West Point 5:00 PM Army West Point Athletics YouTube

A Brands brother finding something to be mad about? Say it ain't so For a long time Iowa and Oklahoma State were the top dawgs in college wrestling. No surprise a rivalry started.

"Mentor District"-Wadsworth, Brecksville, Perrysburg, Elyria, STED... Teams can change. "Cleveland" OH. Guys like Burnett and Darmstadt and others would also make the list. The list of all the college wrestlers from that District would have to be outrageous. Just a list of the STED guys because they're easiest. NCAA Champions Jim Heffernan (Iowa) – Division I 1986 Greg Wright (Edinboro) – Division II 1986 Alan Fried (Oklahoma State) – Division I 1994 Ryan Bertin (Michigan) – Division I 2003, 2005 Dean Heil (Oklahoma State) – Division I 2016 NAIA Champions Duke McKean (Olivet Nazarene) 1992, 1993 College All-Americans 1980: Jeff Golz 1982: Mike Elinsky 1983: Jim Heffernan 1984: Tom Diamond, Greg Elinsky, Jim Mason 1985: Greg Elinsky, Jim Heffernan, David Held 1986: Greg Elinsky, Jim Heffernan, Greg Wright, David Held 1987: Greg Elinsky, Jim Heffernan, John Heffernan 1988: John Heffernan, Terry Kennedy 1989: Terry Kennedy 1990: Mike Mason 1991: Alan Fried 1992: Alan Fried, Duke McKean 1993: Rick Hepp, Duke McKean 1994: Alan Fried, Rick Hepp 1995: Roger Chandler, Rick Hepp1996: Roger Chandler 1997: Roger Chandler 1998: Sam Neider 1999: Andy Hrovat, Sam Neider, Zach Thompson 2000: Zach Thompson 2001: Andy Hrovat, Mike Kulczycki, Gray Maynard, Yoshi Nakamura 2002: Ryan Bertin, Andy Hrovat, Gray Maynard, Yoshi Nakamura 2003: Ryan Bertin, Gray Maynard 2004: Ryan Bertin, Mark Jayne 2005: Ryan Bertin, Mark Jayne 2006: Ryan Lang 2007: Ryan Lang, Lance Palmer 2008: Lance Palmer 2009: Lance Palmer 2010: Lance Palmer 2011: Chris Honeycutt 2012: Chris Honeycutt 2013: Nick Sulzer 2014: Nick Sulzer 2015: Dean Heil, Nick Sulzer, Ty Walz 2016: Dean Heil, Ty Walz 2017: Dean Heil, Ty Walz 2018: Dominic Abounader 2022: Bryce Andonian

Age is just a number! Kind of nice being my age....great career/life including 45 NCAA Championships/39 in a row, many Big Tens, World Cups, State tournaments in 2 states, dual and individual, and much more. Uncountable number of clinics both worked and attended. Aches and pains, but would do it all over again.