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Andonian is a hard guy to use as a benchmark. There are obvious positive to take away for Shapiro. He stayed positional sound the entire match and never gave in to any of the crazy stuff Andonian goes for, but Andonian will happily go down by double digits just to try and put a guy to his back. And the 3 point takedown really punishes sloppy wrestling. Results against him, win or lose, don't translate well to matches against any other wrestlers.

Trent Hidlay... ... and character "Ray" from the Fifth Element . D3.

Aged like milk, lol.

That's a pretty lame excuse. I was still going strong at 10pm ET and I started drinking at 1pm ET.

i think Pyles is one of the best guys to call a match that we have in the sport. he really knows tendencies and arsenals - i.e. what to watch for. the pool is small, but there's not too many wrestling announcers that are better.

its sort of funny how hidlays fire hydrant body prevents his singlet from fitting.

Pyles is fine in my book as an announcer.

Hi Mizzou friends, here’s final brackets in case you can’t find elsewhere. https://theguillotine.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2023-Cougar-Clash-Brackets.pdf Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

IMO more often than not guys do better after moving from 197 to HWT

By what measure… so that someone might evaluate your belief

Nic Bouzakis, after losing in the 1st rnd by a majorD Tyler Smith from Stanford, GOES ON AN BONUS POINT TEAR all the way to the third place bout. That something... do ya think he was slightly motivated? D3

I don't get the really strong anti-Pyles sentiment. He's knowledgable and passionate about the sport, and especially the hundreds of wrestlers who inhabit it, including their past matches, tendencies on the mat, records, and so on. I suspect some folks don't like his asides, wisecracks, and personal opinions, and maybe some of that comes from his FRL FLO show. Who knows? I tend to prefer when he is commenting on a match with someone else as well: Bader, Taylor, Spey, etc. since can balance each other out: PBP vs. color commentary, etc.

Looks like Ohio state is exceeding the experts' predictions thus far this year, rankings wise. So, why are so many Penn State wrestling fans so critical of anything Ohio State wrestling? They've got to be the most insecure fan base in sports

A little under the weather. Warming up some Ghadiali Campbell soup

I should admit that even though I'm right I would not deny that its a cynical position on my part.

Nice to have the video frozen and listen to people argue if it's frozen....then have it continue to be frozen.

Dustin Plott built his house of Bricks - and does not fear big bad Sam Wolf

yeah but none about wrestling....its a not a soap opera

No everything he says is shockingly superficial.

Mendez 11-3. Controlled him.

Few wrestle back “upsets” Zaconne from Campbell knocks out Chelbove 149- Jordan Williams loses to Hofstras Noah Tapia 184- aaron ayzerov majors Foca , Ayzerov then lost to Fisher from V tech , Ayzerov is a tough dude , won NJ states his senior year with a torn Meniscus in a real tough weight , I think 1st thru 7th are all wrestling D1 now 184- Dylan Fishback over Munoz , Fisher over Kane , Bullock over Gavin Hoffman 197- Sonny Sasso was the last seed in the weight and in wrestlebacks beat the 16 seed Striggow, the #11 seed Bates, the 14th seed Hopkins from Campbell and then won by med ff over #4 Luke Surber, he faces #7 Nick Stammet next 285 Boone McDermott beat #4 Trephan , and Fernandes over Catka which is an upset in seed only

If I had one of those prob would've destroyed my TV when Plott attempted to put Pinto in a cradle.

Seltzer, Edmond and Both Elams are shown on the brackets. Big Elam and Seltzer have wrestled already. The Cougar Clash is on espn+, but only showing Mat 1. Still I’ll take that. Espn for the win lol.

Wish I could take back the money I spent for my daughter’s education to Lindenwood. Was super excited win they went D1 on to jump up and down on the sport I’m passionate about. Sons a bitches.

Dake took two losses at this tournament his true frosh season as well, iirc...

Feldman looks like a giant Tomasello

Yeah... But Dake's losses were to a couple 2x All-Americans... Reece Humphrey(4-2) and Zach Bailey (2-1). Both losses were in OT.

After building their Program through the years to finally transition to D1 … then this. This really blows for the State of Missouri & Wrestling in general. Super disappointing.

10pm? You're a wild man. That's an hour past my bedtime.

Bro, you're weak. Snap into it. Get up everyday at 5am and go to work, then come home and work some more... Agreed on Cardenas and on Shapiro's gas tank.

Wish I could like this post more than once. I’ve watched a lot of BA matches over the past few years and you just have to take those results with a grain of salt. He’s so damn fun to watch, but it can also get kind of random with results and how the matches are dictated.

Cardenas looked very good, although worth noting that 10 of those points came in like a 10 second span. He also earned a three point nearfall for those wondering if there have been any yet this year.

1 Iowa State 88.5 2 Ohio State 86 3 Nebraska 82.5 4 Cornell 73 5 NC State 72 6 Oregon State 69 7 Michigan 67.5 8 Stanford 65 9 South Dakota State 57.5 10 Oklahoma State 50 11 Virginia Tech 48.5 12 Northern Iowa 47.5 13 Navy 42 14 Campbell 41 15 Ohio 38

That blows

The Shapiro is unbeatable era is over, but don't be too quick to bury him. He is still very talented and can produce big things.

It is the first of December. It's a long time till March and I am not a fly on the wall in the Zou room. As a fan, I would have loved to seen the Elam-Buchanan match up, but wasn't expecting to see it. I'm curious what kind of weight cut Rocky has to do to maintain 197. Could we see him do a Batista and bump up to Hvy next year and open up a slot to alleviate the jam at 184. Also curious about motivation. I can't fathom the physical/mental drain 5 and 6 yrs of college wrestling take. 4 was plenty for me and I came up during the Dan Gable "head wrapped, limping on one leg, running in the middle of the night when the Russians were sleeping", mentality. As athletes, there comes a time when we ask ourselves that philosophical question, "why?" I'm sure there are several forum regulars that know exactly what I'm referencing. Isn't it strange how the "lenses in our glasses" change with each decade?

Hardly a duck when he hasn't wrestled yet this year.

Crazy tournament ... Griffith beat...Munoz out... Shapiro looks unstoppable then looks very stoppable... some tough matches.

I started, but didn't have the strength to finish it. eleven hours and twenty minutes of wrestling.

Has someone started the "I enjoyed the Meyer Shapiro projected 4 timer era" thread yet?

I hope this isn’t the case, but one would have to wonder. It’s happening, not just Rocky and Mizzou, but throughout wrestling.

I HATE PYLES

Jesse Mendez is fun to watch.

I was at the match. Penn wrestled Iowa tough. The crowd showed a lot of support. The Brands brothers of course were bouncing around on the sidelines. Maximus Hale ... what a name.

4-5 years of watching most of BA’s matches

got to love glazier. modest talent with guts.

Okay I have a dumb question. What is HFS? Second, It's okay to HEW. It is especially okay for Griffith to potentially HEW at the end of the semester. He literally saved so many Stanford sports. Not "just" wrestling. He put the team on his back like Greg Jennings in Madden. But he also is smart to get his Ross MBA paid for and then double down by getting paid. He doesn't even have to go to work for 2-4 years before applying like most T1 MBA candidates. I mean look back at his NCAA interview... he was ready to move on but he's a young businessman and $ talks. I hope he wins the whole damn thing as the shining star on top of the stellar career he has already had.

@jross Why is Bill Ackman wrong in his informed opinion? X is treated unfairly and inconsistently by advertisers That is impossible to say. No other company has Musk doing what Musk is doing. Advertisers are responding to his actions, not the other way around. Musk is targeted because the other media organizations view X as a competitor and controversies increase clicks/revenue If the current version of Twitter.com is a competitor, so was the old version of Twitter.com. Little has changed in that respect save for one minor element. Musk. The Disney(s) cave to public pressure in a way that is not in their best interest How do you measure this? They are clearly acting in what they believe to be their own best interests as fiduciaries for the investors. But the definition of that has certainly changed over time. It used to only be about profits (except in extreme cases), but now there are "other stakeholders" to consider. That is a whole other topic. But how do you measure their best interest to determine they are not acting in it. In Musk's case he does not appear to be acting in his own best interest. He hired a CEO specifically charged with getting advertisers back, and one with a background in advertising at one of his target clients, then he goes out of his way to make her job impossible. Musk did not have antisemitic intent when he responded with the ‘actual truth’ tweet I do not know his intent, nor do you I suspect. I do know the impact of his amplification of anti-Semitic messages. It also seems like this is a very predictable outcome. But Musk is nothing if not impulsive when it comes to his Tweeting. It is the reason he has had to apologize for it so many times. Musk is correct in saying that Jews should rethink support for organizations that seek their elimination. I do not know what you are saying here. Earth is fortunate that X is owned by an individual that is largely insulated from financial and other influence. I thoroughly enjoy that Musk bought Twitter. The entertainment value for me is very high. The earth being fortunate seems a bit bombastic. And by a bit I mean a lot.

Drew Pariano is the only correct answer for the pastry imposter

Penultimate's almost the last word. mspart