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I thought this was about the Vikings MNF performance …

Nursing an injury. Reported to not be serious.

I'm better, but I wish I had his broker.

Per Flo... a few surprises and some not. https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/11545893-2023-cliff-keen-las-vegas-invitational-pre-seeds

Let's start with the questions: Will PSU break the all-time scoring record? In 1997 Dan Gable's Iowa team scored 170 points. But the scoring rules were different back then. Adjusted for today's advancement, placement, and bonus points the total would be 170.5. That is the easy adjustment. The more difficult adjustment is deciding what impact the 3 point TD might have had in 1997. My back of the envelope math puts it at +4.5 to +7 based on some assumptions about regular decisions that may have tipped to majors, and majors that may have become tech falls. The pinfalls remain the same. Now we have 175 to 177.5 as the new target for PSU. That means something like 55 to 57 bonus points. Hmmmm. Last year's team scored 19 bonus points (inserting Nagao for Bravo-Young) and would have scored 30 bonus points with the 3 point TD. Even with the additions this year I just cannot see it happening via the bonus point route. This is not a team of David Taylors. So to beat Iowa's point total (adjusted or otherwise) PSU will have to outperform their seeds. Yikes. Is this the year of parity? Stay with me here. OK, so let's ignore that PSU is looking to more than double the second place total for a minute. The #2 through #10 teams are separated by only 14.8 points. Any of combination of these nine teams (and probably more) could round out the podium positions. Which three will it be? Based on pre-season rankings Cornell would join Nebraska and Michigan. Now it looks like Michigan, NC State, and Nebraska. More shake ups to come. What will Iowa's lineup look like come the tournament and how will it impact the podium race? Right now Intermat has Kennedy at 174 and Arnold nowhere to be found. That seems likely to evolve as the season evolves. I have the feeling Arnold will be a factor somewhere, and with Iowa currently sitting in sixth position without him, they kind of feel like a podium team with him. With apologies to @MPhillips, is it too early to talk about Ohio State's vaunted recruiting classes of 2019 and 2022? With two #1 ranked recruiting classes hitting at the same time I was a bit surprised to not see then among the top 10. Where for art thou? They came in at 11 on my list. Notes: I am only using Intermat rankings this year. Because reasons. My projected points are based on the average points a given seed typically scores. Rather than assume that the one seed will score 20, I look at actual historical outcomes to account for the fact that sometimes the #1 seed does not win. In this way you can think of it as a probabilistic statement about points. On average a #1 seed only scores about 16.9 points. A lot, but not 20. This also means that wrestlers outside the top 8 get credit for some number of projected points.

At 157, they have Andonian at #3, and Shapiro at #14 (do the math).

The reason is that given five minutes to contain any questions, he can stammer and wax irrelevant till the time runs out and then a dimocrat can spread praise and glory on him for the next five minutes.

I’d love to have him up north in his home state Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Boyd never threatened to score. Shooting from space without much of a setup. First period. Lovett hit a snap-down setup into an outside head single-leg. Elevated the single-leg and then had poor technique in an attempt to finish. Boyd didn't mule kick... rather kept his body squared, and his leg came free when Lovett switched from two arms on Boyd's leg to one arm on the leg and a long reach attempt to Boyd's head. Lovett seemingly could have shot in again as when he would change levels and fake step shot, Boyd didn't seem to respond. Second Period. Lovett stands up. Lovett hits the Granby as Boyd attempts a mat return and escapes. Lovett captures a front headlock off a lazy shot attempt from Boyd. Lovett switches to double underhooks as Boyd comes to his feet. Boyd backs away hard and clears the double under position after Lovett attempts an inside trip. The inside trip attempt was too late as Boyd had already backed out to an almost clear position. Third Period. Boyd picks neutral. Lovett took the first shot. Lovett slowly backs away throughout the final minute and is finally warned for stalling at the end of the period. Boyd could have been given a stalling point with 'activity' stall calls if done by the book. Lovett took one kind of legit shot and one sloppy shot. Boyd took three bad shots and two almost shots. I have no problems with the no-call, given Boyd's overall lack of engagement in the first two periods... and he never engaged aggressively, even when trailing, even when shooting.

I'm not sure if Anthony scores many points, but I'm guessing he's a better option than Voinovich at this point

Penn RTC website doesn't say he was a world team member it says National team. Rich never made a world team. The top 3 guys at each weight are on the national team and all attend team training camp

Calling @nowrestlinggenius, your cousin would like a word.

New release. https://rumble.com/v3vyvzv-the-fall-of-minneapolis.html

Right, but both links posted were not to the proper link. No worries, I did find it - see my edited post.

Minnow embarrasses himself enough. Please don't tie him in an official manner to those two programs. They are better than him in every single way imaginable.

Obama doesn’t believe you. He’s spent millions on two oceanfront properties since leaving the White House. He doesn’t believe you and neither do I.

Gabriel Arnold @Gabe174Arnold You da man Willie and I got tons of love for ya, but 184 was only a one time thing…I’m 5’7 bro

Really? There is an actual definition. One of my college roommates/training partners was on the national team for over a decade. Never was the #1 guy. He would never say he was a world team member. (but he wanted to be one) Like it REALLY is a thing to be on the World Team or Olympic Team. People aspire to it. You wouldn't call am Olympic Team alternate an Olympian, would you? https://pennsylvaniartc.org/athletes/richard-perry/ Says "national team." You could say Brooks and McKenna were World Team members. They both made age group teams, so not technically incorrect. However the Penn RTC does make the "age group" qualifier. https://pennsylvaniartc.org/athletes/joey-mckenna/

The victors did write the history books. Now the losers are trying to change that.

No one is as obsessed with semantics as I at W.

If we are going off the way it should be gone off of - with the victors writing the books, then it was a flop that Sta(l)rocci 100% anticipated and stuck him with. I believe Sta(l)rocci even eluded to him anticipating that.

No, he was not on the World Team. Only one guy per weight is on the World Team. He was on the "national team."

Username is already taken. I was going to actually make it and it won't let me because it already exists.

I'm literally not coming out of the house until the climate crisis is solved. i'm paralyzed with fear over the future of this planet. also this:

The Bloom head job pays around 75K

I agree with you 1000% here. I don’t want Folkstyle to get as bad in terms of chasing shiny things with rule changes is my point.

Do you see any team doing very well against Psu?

This just in. I read the wrong post on HR (blcoach80 is not his dad ao_coachpil is). His dad thinks he is too small for 184 and gave him a B- for his match yesterday. Changing my username to wrestlehashisheaduphisass

For what it is worth, I just read Arnold's father's comment on HR saying he thinks his son should go 184.

If I were Bloomsburg I would be trying to bring Rich Perry in, he’s a world team member , alum that won over 100 matches 4x ncaa qualifier lost in R12 and was the captain of the last winning Bloomsburg team..he’s only 2 hrs away right now on the penn RTC staff , he may not be the biggest name but guys like Jordan Burroughs arent coaching at Bloomsburg or sacred heart anytime soon

And let's not forget Starocci has a mean streak.

Surprised so many folks forget about all of that. That shit was bonkers.

I'm telling you life will move forward, energy sources will change AND you will not lose heat to your house. Anyway, is this most definitely not a reason to deny climate change.

Oops, missed that. Looking at it again, they put that note in between 86 and 97. I was just looking at 97. Thanks for the correction. I guess we won't see him at US Nats. mspart

He is too on the list.

The other way to look at it is that Iowa got at least 1 takedown in 6 matches, and Iowa State in 5. Even in the matches where they were outgunned, like 165 and 285, they were still working and taking shots. Gaitan likely gets teched if Kennedy isn't coming off injury, he's not typically a gasser. Even at 133, Teske was attacking and taking shots....he's just not that great, especially at 133.

A big part of Iowa States takedown advantage was David Carr and Yonger Batista who wrestled the two more overmatched opponents of the night. Iowa didn't really face any individuals that they were capable of running up the score on. Kennedy tried and ended up fading.

Which is precisely why there should be an independent review team. I understand not doing it for duals, because that is a lot of extra overhead, but for large tournaments. On the international level you see it. It keeps refs honest. Edit: If it is one thing aside for Dresser getting completely outcoached that we all can agree on, I think it is that the refs last night were not honest. How does Iowa outpace Iowa State in takedowns yet get called twelve times for stalling where Iowa State got zero calls? Please refer to the Carr-Caliendo match for example. Caliendo first got called for stalling while he was actively attempting to circle, set up a shot, and shoot... WHILE SHOOTING!

Correct. His argument doesn’t really make any sense under the circumstances (incredibly close call based on reaction time that wins the match against number one ranked guy if reversed). And his sub-argument about the lung break was exactly wrong based on others' immediate and firm reaction. Burroughs very clearly and forcefully said that they should challenge because Echemendia was gassed from the flurry, and Woods obviously saw it too because he shot on the whistle when OT started. Combine this with the brain fart at 174 (I can't picture Tom Brands not knowing the score and the riding time of a match in the final seconds, nor do I think he would have failed to challenge at 141 if the roles were reversed) and Coach Orange had a very bad day. He said in his press conference that everything had gone against them, but they were the ones who screwed up, whereas Iowa lost two AAs and a seasoned starter to the vagaries of the NCAA, made a canny move at 174/184, and got the job done on a day that many thought a torch would be passed.

Criteria question - he is not really behind the shoulder and doesn't control hips or legs. Factor?

Pretty safe to say dresser was outcoached.

I don’t think Echemendia had the TD. End of Chittum was reviewed. What other situation would’ve made a difference to challenge?

I wanted to see Iowa state win so bad. Without Cassioppi and Brands Iowa gets it done. Hats off to them, they came more prepared and more war ready.

Final score ... Iowa 18-14 Iowa St. D3

Nice win for the Hawks. That's 19 straight.

Brands out coaching Dresser.

Part of this conversation might potentially benefit from discussing which schools do and don’t care about their wrestling programs. Hate to say it, but it often feels like if wrestling programs aren’t actively adding to the reputation of their respective schools they start running the risk of being shut down. Doesn’t help that wrestlers tend to be a rowdy bunch who don’t always pay the most attention to their schoolwork.

I’ll be quite happy if they finish close to this. Very young team, we saw how they performed against VT, now let’s see how they perform against quality wrestlers in a tournament format. Most intrigued to see where Geog finishes.

Me likey

Drove through it today. It’s still standing.