headshuck Posted January 21 Posted January 21 BREAKING: President Trump confirms MASSIVE Greenland deal for America will be in effect "infinitely"ART OF THE DEAL, in action, overseas!"It gets EVERYTHING we wanted. REAL national security!" [emoji91]"The deal will be put out every soon...it gets us everything we needed to get.""It's the ultimate long-term deal. Minerals too."
red viking Posted January 21 Author Posted January 21 17 minutes ago, headshuck said: BREAKING: President Trump confirms MASSIVE Greenland deal for America will be in effect "infinitely" ART OF THE DEAL, in action, overseas! "It gets EVERYTHING we wanted. REAL national security!" "The deal will be put out every soon...it gets us everything we needed to get." "It's the ultimate long-term deal. Minerals too." Most likely NOT making it a U.S. territory. You're a complete idiot for making assumptions about a "great deal" without hearing any specifics. Fighting the Good Fight Against Non-Stop Winger Lies and Hypocrisy
JimmySpeaks Posted January 21 Posted January 21 43 minutes ago, fishbane said: You are being deceptive. Trump is the only US president that has suggested taking Greenland by force and the war plans you are talking about when you wrote "Seizing Greenland has already been written into Americas war plans and Trump had nothing to do with it." are war plans from before WW2 where the US is fighting every world power without a major ally. That is the context of war plans that involve seizing Greenland. This is a hypothetical war that has never happened and no one is currently predicting. During the biggest war in world history the US sent troops to Greenland and control was returned to Denmark after the war despite the existence of those war plans at the time. Greenlanders should ignore your warning. You don’t think that there are contingency war plans written by every administration? WOW. LIVING the dream in the GREATEST COUNTRY on the planet!!!!
JimmySpeaks Posted January 21 Posted January 21 46 minutes ago, fishbane said: You are being deceptive. Trump is the only US president that has suggested taking Greenland by force and the war plans you are talking about when you wrote "Seizing Greenland has already been written into Americas war plans and Trump had nothing to do with it." are war plans from before WW2 where the US is fighting every world power without a major ally. That is the context of war plans that involve seizing Greenland. This is a hypothetical war that has never happened and no one is currently predicting. During the biggest war in world history the US sent troops to Greenland and control was returned to Denmark after the war despite the existence of those war plans at the time. Greenlanders should ignore your warning. You should read the article of the deal. You just might learn what leverage is. LIVING the dream in the GREATEST COUNTRY on the planet!!!!
red viking Posted January 21 Author Posted January 21 19 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said: You should read the article of the deal. You just might learn what leverage is. Which article? Fighting the Good Fight Against Non-Stop Winger Lies and Hypocrisy
Caveira Posted January 21 Posted January 21 1 hour ago, red viking said: Most likely NOT making it a U.S. territory. You're a complete idiot for making assumptions about a "great deal" without hearing any specifics. Um. Champ. Didn’t you just make assumptions about a “deal” without hearing any specifics ? Pot. Kettle ?
red viking Posted January 21 Author Posted January 21 37 minutes ago, Caveira said: Um. Champ. Didn’t you just make assumptions about a “deal” without hearing any specifics ? Pot. Kettle ? There's almost 0% chance he's gonna make it a u.s. territory. Denmark said no way to that. Fighting the Good Fight Against Non-Stop Winger Lies and Hypocrisy
Caveira Posted January 21 Posted January 21 3 minutes ago, red viking said: There's almost 0% chance he's gonna make it a u.s. territory. Denmark said no way to that. Rumor has it cnn called you to see if you will go on air and give your expert advise
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mspart Posted January 21 Posted January 21 RV, being the Red Viking, I'm thinking you don't want Trump to invade Greenland because you really want to. Am I right? Am I right? mspart
ionel Posted January 22 Posted January 22 5 hours ago, mspart said: RV, being the Red Viking, I'm thinking you don't want Trump to invade Greenland because you really want to. Am I right? Am I right? mspart 110% .
fishbane Posted January 22 Posted January 22 11 hours ago, Scouts Honor said: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c86vvjxe9z7o “The Danish and Greenlandic reiteration that sovereignty is non-negotiable appears to be aimed at rejecting reports in New York Times where anonymous officials said one idea under discussion was for Denmark to cede sovereignty over small areas of Greenland where the US would build military bases.”
juniorvarsity Posted January 22 Posted January 22 22 hours ago, fishbane said: The question was supposed to get you to look at it from a Greenlander’s perspective… What Greenland wants is critical to making a deal. It would be a big win for me if I could purchase my neighbor’s house for 1/100 of its market value. His wants make that not worth pursuing. That's why it is a deal. I am under the assumption that whatever deal Trump makes would be beneficial to the US and Greenland. It seems Greenlanders are not a fan. I can be a fan of it. 22 hours ago, fishbane said: I think Greenlanders would prefer independence with increased US investment as a partner. This is what is likely to happen. A little bit of territory for military. And deals for investing in infrastructure for minerals and ports for seasonal trade routes.
fishbane Posted January 22 Posted January 22 50 minutes ago, juniorvarsity said: That's why it is a deal. I am under the assumption that whatever deal Trump makes would be beneficial to the US and Greenland. It seems Greenlanders are not a fan. I can be a fan of it. But why would you be a fan of something that Denmark doesn't want and Greenland doesn't want? Denmark is our ally so forcing something they don't want with either through use of the military or economic penalties could be a problem. And if the net result is adding a population of people to this country that don't want to be part of the US that could also be problematic in the future. Sure we could make it happen in the short term, but long terms problems could make it ill advised. This will not be our last dealings with Denmark and if Greenlanders become Americans we will be stuck with them in perpetuity. 1 hour ago, juniorvarsity said: This is what is likely to happen. A little bit of territory for military. And deals for investing in infrastructure for minerals and ports for seasonal trade routes. The US is already a partner with both Greenland and Denmark. If they wanted different terms or increased military presence all Trump really needed to do was ask. His methods likely gain nothing and alienate Greenland, Denmark, and our European allies. It is also unclear if the US will actually gain any territory in the framework of a deal Trump might have reached. Danish and Greenland officials seemed to push back on NYT's reporting on that. Trump's meeting was with the NATO Secretary General. NATO cannot negotiate to give any part of Greenland to anyone just like Denmark couldn't meet with Rutte and strike a deal to acquire part of North Carolina to build a military base. It just isn't how it works.
JimmySpeaks Posted January 22 Posted January 22 22 hours ago, red viking said: Which article? All of them. LIVING the dream in the GREATEST COUNTRY on the planet!!!!
JimmySpeaks Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) Negotiating from a position of power is usually highly beneficial. It’s how it works. Edited January 22 by JimmySpeaks LIVING the dream in the GREATEST COUNTRY on the planet!!!!
red viking Posted January 22 Author Posted January 22 44 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said: All of them. Zero details on the "framework." Fighting the Good Fight Against Non-Stop Winger Lies and Hypocrisy
red viking Posted January 22 Author Posted January 22 TACO Trump Always Chickens Out (if u stand up to that coward) Fighting the Good Fight Against Non-Stop Winger Lies and Hypocrisy
fishbane Posted January 22 Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said: Negotiating from a position of power is usually highly beneficial. It’s how it works. It useful to have leverage in a negotiation, but if you are going to have future dealings with that person/entity it is wise to use it with care. Sure you might have them over a barrel and be able to get exactly what you want now, but if that is a really bad outcome for the other side then they will be angry, resentful, and more difficult to deal with in the future. A classic example of this is the Treaty of Versailles to end WWI. The central powers were defeated had no leverage with which to bargain as a result Germany was dealt significant territorial and financial losses in the deal. Resentment over this in Germany is one of the things that lead to WWII. The allied powers got their reparations, but also another war. At the time President Wilson felt the allied powers should be lenient with Germany. The other day President Trump suggested the US had erred in giving Greenland back to their ally after WWII. It's an absurd position. The Kingdom of Denmark losing 98% of their land to an ally. With friends like that who needs enemies? Making threats to get what would be given willingly serves no purpose. Denmark and Greenland allow the US military access to the island. Threatening to either take the island by force or to coerce them into giving it up through economic penalties is counter productive. The US can achieve its security objectives without owning the island.
JimmySpeaks Posted January 22 Posted January 22 20 minutes ago, red viking said: Zero details on the "framework." Hey idiot it was a typo LIVING the dream in the GREATEST COUNTRY on the planet!!!!
JimmySpeaks Posted January 22 Posted January 22 17 minutes ago, fishbane said: It useful to have leverage in a negotiation, but if you are going to have future dealings with that person/entity it is wise to use it with care. Sure you might have them over a barrel and be able to get exactly what you want now, but if that is a really bad outcome for the other side then they will be angry, resentful, and more difficult to deal with in the future. A classic example of this is the Treaty of Versailles to end WWI. The central powers were defeated had no leverage with which to bargain as a result Germany was dealt significant territorial and financial losses in the deal. Resentment over this in Germany is one of the things that lead to WWII. The allied powers got their reparations, but also another war. At the time President Wilson felt the allied powers should be lenient with Germany. The other day President Trump suggested the US had erred in giving Greenland back to their ally after WWII. It's an absurd position. The Kingdom of Denmark losing 98% of their land to an ally. With friends like that who needs enemies? Making threats to get what would be given willingly serves no purpose. Denmark and Greenland allow the US military access to the island. Threatening to either take the island by force or to coerce them into giving it up through economic penalties is counter productive. The US can achieve its security objectives without owning the island. It’s Greenland. There’s 60,000 people there. It will never be in a position of power against most any country let alone America. It’s how it works. LIVING the dream in the GREATEST COUNTRY on the planet!!!!
JimmySpeaks Posted January 22 Posted January 22 19 minutes ago, fishbane said: The US can achieve its security objectives without owning the island. Which it sounds like is exactly what Trump is working on. LIVING the dream in the GREATEST COUNTRY on the planet!!!!
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