Anyone hear something crazy recently?

[BarSeries]

Happy Jonestown Valley

[Spencerlee]

South Park would have an absolute field day with PSU/Snyder if wrestling wasn’t a niche sport.

[scourge165]

6 hours ago, BarSeries said:

 

I've been saying the same thing...albeit about a different athlete.

There was this Football player, set records, won a Heisman, 2,000 yards in 14 games, one of the 5 greatest backs of all-time. He says, no, no, did you hear about this guy. And I said, you mean the man who gave back as a sideline reporter, who has a genuine and affable personality, who helped a struggling actor stay at his house(in retrospect, maybe not a good move on his his behalf, but he just cared so much), who drew more eyeballs to week long drama about the ills of slavery, who became a millionaire in the NFL and made millions promoting our sport, put smiles on people's faces with Leslie Nielsen. So yeah...I heard about Orenthal James Simpson....a man of faith, a man without an addiction, who broke records, won a Heisman, elevated his sport, elevated the Buffalo Bills, gave back to his sport, brought awareness to people as an actor, brought joy to people as an actor...

So if there is anything else you're talking about when discussing Orenthal Simpson, a man with a life filled with good deeds and take this one "not so good deed," and talk about anything else, then maybe the problem is you...(wow, I'm actually in awe of how deep this is)

 

LOL...for the record, I am NOT equating OJ with Snyder...just this absurd logic. That being a great athlete means you're immune from criticism if it was only the one "not so good deed?" 

 

Also, no way was Gwiz vs Snyder the biggest match in NCAA History. Start with Taylor-Dake and then work back to rank them in terms of anticipation, but I don't care if it was the highest rated(and I can't find evidence it was)...that doesn't make it the "biggest." 

There were like 9 people who saw Snyder win his Gold and yet...we're talking about him because he's an Olympic Champ. 

 

 

6 hours ago, alliseeisgold said:

Everything is going exactly how I said it would. 

- Snyder would get the benefit of the doubt due to his past to where others wouldn't

-this make him more relatable , (everyone seems to be pointing out their own flaws)

Has it now? Did you see the suspension coming?

Who didn't get the "benefit of the doubt" that Snyder has gotten?

And this "relatable" nonsense. Who has this made him more "relatable" to?

 

Why are even comparing Downey to Snyder? One has a much longer list and... did you say was more of a douche bag(without the World or Olympic titles). I'm not seeing a lot of similarities here.

[pokemonster]

1 hour ago, BarSeries said:

 

Hmmm anyone know what this means? Is this dude credible at all?

[billyhoyle]

If Snyder were training at Michigan they'd have him start representing The Netherlands. 

[happyvalet]

3 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Hmmm anyone know what this means? Is this dude credible at all?

let's say he's totally credible... nothing changes because the tweet was completely meaningless. 

[ionel]

6 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Hmmm anyone know what this means? Is this dude credible at all?

Sounds like H3 don't ya think? 

[wrestle87]

The only reason we’re hearing about this is that somebody neglected to show up with a greenback handshake.  

OR…this was the longest of long cons from the buckeyes.

Edited May 15, 2025 by wrestle87

[alliseeisgold]

2 hours ago, scourge165 said:

I've been saying the same thing...albeit about a different athlete.

There was this Football player, set records, won a Heisman, 2,000 yards in 14 games, one of the 5 greatest backs of all-time. He says, no, no, did you hear about this guy. And I said, you mean the man who gave back as a sideline reporter, who has a genuine and affable personality, who helped a struggling actor stay at his house(in retrospect, maybe not a good move on his his behalf, but he just cared so much), who drew more eyeballs to week long drama about the ills of slavery, who became a millionaire in the NFL and made millions promoting our sport, put smiles on people's faces with Leslie Nielsen. So yeah...I heard about Orenthal James Simpson....a man of faith, a man without an addiction, who broke records, won a Heisman, elevated his sport, elevated the Buffalo Bills, gave back to his sport, brought awareness to people as an actor, brought joy to people as an actor...

So if there is anything else you're talking about when discussing Orenthal Simpson, a man with a life filled with good deeds and take this one "not so good deed," and talk about anything else, then maybe the problem is you...(wow, I'm actually in awe of how deep this is)

 

LOL...for the record, I am NOT equating OJ with Snyder...just this absurd logic. That being a great athlete means you're immune from criticism if it was only the one "not so good deed?" 

 

Also, no way was Gwiz vs Snyder the biggest match in NCAA History. Start with Taylor-Dake and then work back to rank them in terms of anticipation, but I don't care if it was the highest rated(and I can't find evidence it was)...that doesn't make it the "biggest." 

There were like 9 people who saw Snyder win his Gold and yet...we're talking about him because he's an Olympic Champ. 

 

 

Has it now? Did you see the suspension coming?

Who didn't get the "benefit of the doubt" that Snyder has gotten?

And this "relatable" nonsense. Who has this made him more "relatable" to?

 

Why are even comparing Downey to Snyder? One has a much longer list and... did you say was more of a douche bag(without the World or Olympic titles). I'm not seeing a lot of similarities here.

start with who has been in such a serious situation as snyder within the usa wrestling community ? no one comes to my mind.

Theres a zillion college athletes and different sports. Just within D1 college football with 100 kids on a roster, all backgrounds, some from rough neighborhoods, not all the most lawful perfect citizens. How many of those kids are getting arrested for prostitution a year ?? it doesn't really happen. It's extremely rare and hard to get caught unless your straight up trying to by being on stupid sites like backpage. And now the chick was like 60....... This gets you automatically booted from college teams, pro sports players do it on the regular, and yet they never get caught. If they did probably booted as well. The image is worse then the actuality of the crime. I have no idea how long this suspension from safesport is, but I don't see the duration of any serious length of time listed.

And no one finds it odd that most mainstream wrestling reporters; all they can muster about an opinion on the matter, is just like like everyone has skeletons , forgive, bible verse bible verse.  

I can only offer downey as someone else within usa wrestling as somewhat comparable - I'm sure there are many more - but it's been a clean operation

But as it pertains to usawrestling what the hell did downey do  ? punched another male kid in a fight (doesn't sound as bad as prostitution). 

Rode an injury out at iowa state and piss off jackson ? ...move high schools ? who freakin cares ....this isn't the dream team selection process, getting kicked off college teams or rtcs shouldn't prevent him from competing in tournament brackets for usa wrestling.

Relating downey to being a douchebag rather then the merit of the laws he broke to be suspended within usa sanctioned wrestling only continues to highlight the disparity.

I saw no bible thumpers of forgiveness then being mustered. only the opposite.  If you can't see that i can't help you. 

 

[1032004]

13 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

I don't think so. Maybe a brief thing somewhere, but USA Wrestling considered him a nuisance. 

Found it.  Minnow good for something here with his screenshots. As I suspected, he was not “canceled for his opinion.”  He had domestic violence charges.  So I think we can put the Downey “double standard” claim to rest.

 

 

 

 

[1032004]

2 hours ago, alliseeisgold said:

start with who has been in such a serious situation as snyder within the usa wrestling community ? no one comes to my mind.

Theres a zillion college athletes and different sports. Just within D1 college football with 100 kids on a roster, all backgrounds, some from rough neighborhoods, not all the most lawful perfect citizens. How many of those kids are getting arrested for prostitution a year ?? it doesn't really happen. It's extremely rare and hard to get caught unless your straight up trying to by being on stupid sites like backpage. And now the chick was like 60....... This gets you automatically booted from college teams, pro sports players do it on the regular, and yet they never get caught. If they did probably booted as well. The image is worse then the actuality of the crime. I have no idea how long this suspension from safesport is, but I don't see the duration of any serious length of time listed.

And no one finds it odd that most mainstream wrestling reporters; all they can muster about an opinion on the matter, is just like like everyone has skeletons , forgive, bible verse bible verse.  

I can only offer downey as someone else within usa wrestling as somewhat comparable - I'm sure there are many more - but it's been a clean operation

But as it pertains to usawrestling what the hell did downey do  ? punched another male kid in a fight (doesn't sound as bad as prostitution). 

Rode an injury out at iowa state and piss off jackson ? ...move high schools ? who freakin cares ....this isn't the dream team selection process, getting kicked off college teams or rtcs shouldn't prevent him from competing in tournament brackets for usa wrestling.

Relating downey to being a douchebag rather then the merit of the laws he broke to be suspended within usa sanctioned wrestling only continues to highlight the disparity.

I saw no bible thumpers of forgiveness then being mustered. only the opposite.  If you can't see that i can't help you. 

 

This does bring up a good point.  Other than Downey, I can’t think of any notable MFS wrestler in recent memory that was arrested while competing on the senior level.   I think Marsteller’s arrests were all in college right?  Seth Gross could be another example (also in college) and he’s a big God guy too, although sure if he also was before or if he turned to God after his issues.

Not sure where doping/drug violations rank on the scale with soliciting prostitutes but we’ve certainly had a few of those (Fix, Valencia, Oliver come to mind).

Overall I feel like for the most part all of the above mentioned wrestlers except for probably Downey (and he’s really the only one with a repeated history of issues) have been “forgiven” by the wrestling community, so maybe we’re just a forgiving bunch.

[lisa morales]

Wonder if Snyder was hired to work in any of Diddy's freakoffs?

[BigRedFan]

8 hours ago, alliseeisgold said:

Everyone is exposing themselves

Well, not everyone.

[fishbane]

10 hours ago, alliseeisgold said:

Did wrestling people write essays about how they have made mistakes as well , and Downey needs grace back in 2009 ??  (No)

 Just a bit much seeing ppl prop themselves up as moral authorities with paragraphs of versus in essays all of a sudden for Snyder. 

And yes a double standard exists since it wasn't done in 09-11.

This board didn't exist in 2009-2011 for people to write essays on Pat Downey.  And he barely would have registered with the audience on its predecessor, themat.com.  Downey graduated high school in 2011 and he didn't win Fargo until the summer of 2011.  He won senior national the spring of 2011. He wasn't really a top recruit prior to that and was #80 in the class of 2011 recruiting rankings.  No one on the biggest college wrestling forums at the time would have known who he was to write an essay in his defense.   Tyrel Miller is #80 on the 2025 big board.  I know nothing about him.  Do you?

Still I am sure Downey had his supporters defending him locally during that time period.  He attended three different high schools and was recruited to the University of Nebraska, so he received multiple chances to start over fresh.  Of course he would get booted out of Nebraska without wrestling a match for excessive partying and breaking his hand in a street fight...

So if there is a difference in how a college wrestling forum treats Downey and Snyder it comes down to Downey having three strikes against him before he even wrestled a college match and Snyder being a model citizen for over a decade on the national scene before his indiscretion. To me those facts explain it far better than your feeling that one is "real" and the other is "fake" contributing to a double standard.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

8 hours ago, billyhoyle said:

If Snyder were training at Michigan they'd have him start representing The Netherlands. 

Too big of a country.  How about Lichtenstein?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

7 minutes ago, fishbane said:

This board didn't exist in 2009-2011 for people to write essays on Pat Downey.  And he barely would have registered with the audience on its predecessor, themat.com.  Downey graduated high school in 2011 and he didn't win Fargo until the summer of 2011.  He won senior national the spring of 2011. He wasn't really a top recruit prior to that and was #80 in the class of 2011 recruiting rankings.  No one on the biggest college wrestling forums at the time would have known who he was to write an essay in his defense.   Tyrel Miller is #80 on the 2025 big board.  I know nothing about him.  Do you?

Still I am sure Downey had his supporters defending him locally during that time period.  He attended three different high schools and was recruited to the University of Nebraska, so he received multiple chances to start over fresh.  Of course he would get booted out of Nebraska without wrestling a match for excessive partying and breaking his hand in a street fight...

So if there is a difference in how a college wrestling forum treats Downey and Snyder it comes down to Downey having three strikes against him before he even wrestled a college match and Snyder being a model citizen for over a decade on the national scene before his indiscretion. To me those facts explain it far better than your feeling that one is "real" and the other is "fake" contributing to a double standard.

There was plenty of Downey talk on TheMat.com, especially with his daddy participating.

[fishbane]

3 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

There was plenty of Downey talk on TheMat.com, especially with his daddy participating.

On the college forum before he won senior nationals?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, fishbane said:

On the college forum before he won senior nationals?

Yes.  I also remember him breaking a Naval Academy students jaw during a brawl in Baltimore back when PD3 was in high school.

Edited May 15, 2025 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[RawDog]

Yea....but Downey is hilarious, we need more PD3!

[fishbane]

10 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Yes.  I also remember him breaking a Naval Academy students jaw during a brawl in Baltimore back when PD3 was in high school.

I am sure he was discussed extensively prior to wrestling a college match, I just don't think he was discussed before he started getting in trouble on the college forum.  His wrestling really didn't warrant it.  The forum is archived somewhere so it might be possible to check.  

The navy football players incident happened in 2010.  He already had an assault charge in 2009 from a previous incident.  

[lisa morales]

It was a sucker punch.  

32 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Yes.  I also remember him breaking a Naval Academy students jaw during a brawl in Baltimore back when PD3 was in high school.

Always fun to smash someone when they're not looking.  

[BloodRound]

I have come around to the idea of a Kyle Snyder heel turn being a fun arc after this.

[BarSeries]

1 minute ago, BloodRound said:

I have come around to the idea of a Kyle Snyder heel turn being a fun arc after this.

It's being set up perfectly for his debut in Real American Freestyle 

[Lordnelson]

There's some real brilliance in this thread.

PD3 and Snyder are on two totally different wavelengths.  Comparing the two based on a simple credit system, it is insulting to even point to PD3 as a viable comparison.  

Media outlets can't say much, because there are still a ton of legal implications, the hunger for people to hear "takes" and "moral outrage" speaks to how far our media has fallen in general. People think moral outrage is actual journalism.  

There is still a lot out there to be determined.  Prostitution is not a good look, I get it, but unless the person in question is underage it is a victimless crime.  

Feeling great about calling Snyder on his outward faith is certainly on the table for those that like to dunk on people when all they have is a keyboard in their win column.  Can't object to it but it's low hanging fruit.  

Snyder needs help.  He also has a mountain and a half of personal issues to resolve.  I hope he figures things out.  To me the whole thing is just a bummer.

1. He embarrassed himself and worse his family.  Tied in secondarily is the representation of wrestling he carries with tOSU and now NLWC.  No winners here.

2. The further embarrassment of the sport on socials by mouth breathers coming out to dunk on him for the behaviors or his faith.  

[Winners Circle]

6 minutes ago, Lordnelson said:

There's some real brilliance in this thread.

PD3 and Snyder are on two totally different wavelengths.  Comparing the two based on a simple credit system, it is insulting to even point to PD3 as a viable comparison.  

Media outlets can't say much, because there are still a ton of legal implications, the hunger for people to hear "takes" and "moral outrage" speaks to how far our media has fallen in general. People think moral outrage is actual journalism.  

There is still a lot out there to be determined.  Prostitution is not a good look, I get it, but unless the person in question is underage it is a victimless crime.  

Feeling great about calling Snyder on his outward faith is certainly on the table for those that like to dunk on people when all they have is a keyboard in their win column.  Can't object to it but it's low hanging fruit.  

Snyder needs help.  He also has a mountain and a half of personal issues to resolve.  I hope he figures things out.  To me the whole thing is just a bummer.

1. He embarrassed himself and worse his family.  Tied in secondarily is the representation of wrestling he carries with tOSU and now NLWC.  No winners here.

2. The further embarrassment of the sport on socials by mouth breathers coming out to dunk on him for the behaviors or his faith.  

The only person who was trying to compare PD3 to Snyder was @alliseeisgold, who we've established is in fact PD3 himself.