First time champ over two returning champions

[500 wrestler]

There are four seniors (among others) who have an opportunity to win their first championship if they can outplace two returning champions. In order of likelihood:

1. Bartlett, over Menendez and Allirez (possible)
2. Hamiti, over Haines and O’Toole (possible, I think)
3. Hendrickson, over Steveson and Kerkvliet (very unlikely)
4. Plott, over Starocci and Keckeisen (not really a possibility)

 

Two questions:

1. I’m sure there have been a bunch of wrestlers who have won over two returning champions, for example Starocci last year. But has there ever been anyone who has won their first title over two prior champions?
2. If one of the above were to run go undefeated, continue/improve their high bonus %, and take out both previous champions in the semis and finals, would they be a frontrunner for the Hodge?

Note: although I give Bartlett a higher chance because he was one scramble away from being a returning champion, my gut tells me that Hamiti has jumped levels and could take out both Haines and O’Toole. Please forget this prediction in the likely event that this does not happen.

[Phantom]

13 minutes ago, 500 wrestler said:

There are four seniors (among others) who have an opportunity to win their first championship if they can outplace two returning champions. In order of likelihood:

1. Bartlett, over Menendez and Allirez (possible)
2. Hamiti, over Haines and O’Toole (possible, I think)
3. Hendrickson, over Steveson and Kerkvliet (very unlikely)
4. Plott, over Starocci and Keckeisen (not really a possibility)

 

Two questions:

1. I’m sure there have been a bunch of wrestlers who have won over two returning champions, for example Starocci last year. But has there ever been anyone who has won their first title over two prior champions?
2. If one of the above were to run go undefeated, continue/improve their high bonus %, and take out both previous champions in the semis and finals, would they be a frontrunner for the Hodge?

Note: although I give Bartlett a higher chance because he was one scramble away from being a returning champion, my gut tells me that Hamiti has jumped levels and could take out both Haines and O’Toole. Please forget this prediction in the likely event that this does not happen.

Th beauty of folkstyle wrestling. I think Hendrickson is a better mat wrestler and if he can steal a td and get the match on the mat...it's possible. Also like his chain wrestling ability, in flurry situations. DT and this program seem to fit him perfectly..

[gimpeltf]

Ed Hamer Lehigh 1959 167. Beat Duane Murty Ok State champ 1958 in semis. Finals beat Tom Alberts Pitt champ in 1957.

[BruceyB]

3 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:

Ed Hamer Lehigh 1959 167. Beat Duane Murty Ok State champ 1958 in semis. Finals beat Tom Alberts Pitt champ in 1957.

Matt McDonough in 2010 won his first title in a bracket with two returning champs (Escobedo and Nickerson). He didn't have to wrestle either of them, however. And it's also worth noting that I believe both Angel and Troy were wrestling with one shoulder each. OP said "outplace" two former national champs.

[VakAttack]

The great Jordan Burroughs win his first title in a bracket with Gregor Gillespie and Jordan Leen (and future champ JP O'Connor). None of them met him in the finals where he faced Mike Poeta.

[D3 for LU]

500 wrestler(s?)...

is that supposed to be like:

SPARTANS ?

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[D3 for LU]

Pardon my having fun here... your forum name, if I'm guessing correctly, describe you as a .500 wrestler in your past wrestling days, yes?

I was above average and good looking on the Lake Wobegone HS wrestling team... 

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[500 wrestler]

I think I explained this a while back in another thread. I started wrestling as a freshman in high school, and I was thrown to the wolves right away as I was the best option at varsity. I won a few but lost many. Then steadily got better, finished over .500 for my 4 years but first season skewed my winning percentage

 

[500 wrestler]

Maybe a better name would have been Undefeated JV Wrestler as I was 3-0 at JV my freshman year (my coach took pity on me and had me duck a few senior studs)

[D3 for LU]

I was that senior stud in my day... beat a future NJSIAA state runner-up, I did.

(ps  He was a freshman at the time, though. Still developing... )

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[1032004]

Bo Nickal 2017 had 2 returning champs in the bracket in Gabe Dean and Myles Martin

[gimpeltf]

4 hours ago, BruceyB said:

 OP said "outplace" two former national champs.

Does that change anything I said? Hamer won- obviously outplacing the other two.

[PortaJohn]

6 hours ago, 500 wrestler said:

I’m sure there have been a bunch of wrestlers who have won over two returning champions, for example Starocci last year. But has there ever been anyone who has won their first title over two prior champions?

"Over" meaning they beat two champs on the way to claiming their first or just winning the title.  Spencer Lee did it in 2018 and beat Suriano (a future champ) in the finals.  He took out NATO but never wrestled Cruz 

[Caveira]

Jesse Whitmer …. Similar to the one above had in his bracket:

 

Sheldon Thomas 3x aa 1x champ 

Teague Moore.  Okla (Future champ)

[500 wrestler]

I see there are a lot of different ways to interpret what I wrote. What I meant was first time champ with two other returning (not future) champs in the same bracket. But even more impressive than that would be beating each of those 2 returning champs on the way to winning the championship.

[Phantom]

Troy Nickerson 09'

[ionel]

12 minutes ago, Phantom said:

Troy Nickerson 09'

Who'd he beat?

[Phantom]

41 minutes ago, ionel said:

Who'd he beat?

Donahoe finals & Escobedo semis.. both were returning champs, i think at the time.

[Hammerlock3]

Daryl Weber beat Mollica and Branch en route to his title. Both returning champs and both would add a 2nd title.

[scourge165]

2 hours ago, VakAttack said:

The great Jordan Burroughs win his first title in a bracket with Gregor Gillespie and Jordan Leen (and future champ JP O'Connor). None of them met him in the finals where he faced Mike Poeta.

Mike Poeta is one of the best Wrestlers to not win a title since 2000.

That's...really got nothing to do with anything, but he was so explosive, so smooth. 

[Gus]

7 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Mike Poeta is one of the best Wrestlers to not win a title since 2000.

That's...really got nothing to do with anything, but he was so explosive, so smooth. 

For the past 20 years who are the best wrestlers to never win a title? Fix and Gilman come to mind. 

[ionel]

10 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said:

Daryl Weber beat Mollica and Branch en route to his title. Both returning champs and both would add a 2nd title.

"beat" is a strong word don't you think?  Branch tore his acl in the finals and had to default. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, Gus said:

For the past 20 years who are the best wrestlers to never win a title? Fix and Gilman come to mind. 

I would put Tyler Caldwell, Dylan Ness, and Trent Hidlay up there as two time runner-ups and four time AAs.

For guys who also got it done on the international scene I would include Myles Amine, Sebastian Rivera, and James Green.

Greatest brother pair has to be Hayden and Trent Hidlay. Both four time AAs.

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, Gus said:

For the past 20 years who are the best wrestlers to never win a title? Fix and Gilman come to mind. 

Brandon Sorensen and Michael kemerer

[11986]

Jim Gibbons Iowa St 1981 134. Bracket had returning champs Darryl Burley and Randy Lewis. Gibbons beat Lewis in quarters and Burley in finals.   

Zach Roberson Iowa St 2004. 133 bracket had returning champs Travis Lee and Johnny Thompson. Roberson beat Lee in semis, did not face Thompson.

Edited 8 hours ago by 11986