If I were Tom Brands....

[Hammerlock3]

Instead of always talking about how great their medical staff is, I'd go another route and insinuate that they suck all the time. Would help the narrative a lot!

Ex: Instead of saying "We have the best medical staff in the country" say, "No way we get teched at 125 if our trainer hadn't screwed the pooch with Ayala and Lee, sometimes I think the guy is a dam junky!"

Edited November 27, 2022 by Hammerlock3

[Le duke]

Instead of always talking about how great their medical staff is, I'd go another route and insinuate that they suck all the time. Would help the narrative a lot!
Ex: Instead of saying "We have the best medical staff in the country" say, "No way we get teched at 125 if our trainer hadn't screwed the pooch with Ayala and Lee, sometimes I think the guy is a dam junky!"

Trainer? No. Trainers don’t injure people through overuse injuries or poor training methods. They tape them back together again, if possible, and salvage some performance.

Head and associate head coach. That’s who you need to point fingers at when it comes to injuries.


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[ionel]

I'd brag about how im a quarter inch taller than my twin brother.

[dragit]

I don't know what to think about the injuries or Iowa in general.

D1 wrestling is a minefield of injuries.  But it seems worse at Iowa.  And it's consistent with the stereotype of the Brands being old school full speed ahead training guys.

More generally, it feels like they did try to get a little more modern in their approach which helped with a few years of great recruits, but (thanks to covid) they only got one somewhat anticlimactic championship out of it and then they were out of the top two again last year.

It just feels like something's missing.  They haven't sustained the momentum that their PA recruits started, they've got no significant post-grads, and other than Lee I don't think they've had a champ since Ramos. (?)

Not saying that the sky is falling, but between the losses in Austin and the injuries being the biggest story of the season again, it just feels like they're stuck and that they are at best just competing to be the most consistent team trophy winner in the not PSU bracket.

[ionel]

6 minutes ago, dragit said:

I don't know what to think about the injuries or Iowa in general.

D1 wrestling is a minefield of injuries.  But it seems worse at Iowa.  And it's consistent with the stereotype of the Brands being old school full speed ahead training guys.

More generally, it feels like they did try to get a little more modern in their approach which helped with a few years of great recruits, but (thanks to covid) they only got one somewhat anticlimactic championship out of it and then they were out of the top two again last year.

It just feels like something's missing.  They haven't sustained the momentum that their PA recruits started, they've got no significant post-grads, and other than Lee I don't think they've had a champ since Ramos. (?)

Not saying that the sky is falling, but between the losses in Austin and the injuries being the biggest story of the season again, it just feels like they're stuck and that they are at best just competing to be the most consistent team trophy winner in the not PSU bracket.

Maybe Brands and Smith are both doing too much old school Gable type stuff in practice, they both seem to be well above average in injuries every year.    

Edited November 27, 2022 by ionel

[Hammerlock3]

4 minutes ago, ionel said:

Maybe Brands and Smith are both doing too much old school Gable type stuff in practice, they both seem to be well above average in injuries every year.    

there is definitely a dated feeling...

[Hammerlock3]

40 minutes ago, Le duke said:

 

Trainer? No. Trainers don’t injure people through overuse injuries or poor training methods. They tape them back together again, if possible, and salvage some performance.

Head and associate head coach. That’s who you need to point fingers at when it comes to injuries.


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wow...the sense of humor on this guy.

[sstark46]

33 minutes ago, dragit said:

and other than Lee I don't think they've had a champ since Ramos. (?)

Same weight, 3 years later - Clark

[buckshot]

I'd try to get a wrestler who just won a national title to throw me so I can get more attention.

 

(I know it was Terry but they're both goofs)

[Hammerlock3]

4 minutes ago, sstark46 said:

Same weight, 3 years later - Clark

still the most damning stat i've heard....

[dragit]

1 hour ago, sstark46 said:

Same weight, 3 years later - Clark

Geez!! One of my all time favorites!  Maybe my worst example yet of memory loss.  

[MPhillips]

8 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said:

wow...the sense of humor on this guy.

He hated to miss an opportunity...

[headshuck]

Falling out of deer hunting blinds is real.

[Husker_Du]

Tom Brands is a sharp dude. While they have seemingly experienced a rash of injuries, i don't think for one second that it's b/c of Tom's methods.  1) Tom's too smart for that and 2) think of the group w/ McDonough, Ramos, Metcalf, etc. none of them ever missed time and they were as just as much 'run through a wall' types as any of these guys. 

Actually let's take inventory or Iowa's injuries

1) Spencer (but he still won 3 so they didn't miss any points at all)

2) Murin wore an arm brace for a short period of time but he didn't experience any drop in ability 

3) Kemerer - could certainly argue his placements could have been higher - particularly the years he took 6th and 5th - but i also don't think it was shocking. 174 last year was crazy last year and he lost to CStarr when he was healthy.  

is that it? who am i missing? Nelson, i guess but he's kinda been in a platoon most of his career.

 

 

 

[Pinnacle]

1 hour ago, headshuck said:

Falling out of deer hunting blinds is real.

That is what these are for.

[headshuck]

Kentucky Mudflap was a big hunter.

[Hurricane Wrestling]

Those ground blinds work really well...

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, Husker_Du said:

Tom Brands is a sharp dude. While they have seemingly experienced a rash of injuries, i don't think for one second that it's b/c of Tom's methods.  1) Tom's too smart for that and 2) think of the group w/ McDonough, Ramos, Metcalf, etc. none of them ever missed time and they were as just as much 'run through a wall' types as any of these guys. 

Actually let's take inventory or Iowa's injuries

1) Spencer (but he still won 3 so they didn't miss any points at all)

2) Murin wore an arm brace for a short period of time but he didn't experience any drop in ability 

3) Kemerer - could certainly argue his placements could have been higher - particularly the years he took 6th and 5th - but i also don't think it was shocking. 174 last year was crazy last year and he lost to CStarr when he was healthy.  

is that it? who am i missing? Nelson, i guess but he's kinda been in a platoon most of his career.

 

 

 

Last year:

Eierman - Probably has as much to do with his style as anything. If you are always giving up the leg, there is a greater chance the leg gets hurt?

Cassioppi - finished 7th after projecting in the 2nd - 5th range.

 

[Wrestej]

1 hour ago, Husker_Du said:

Tom Brands is a sharp dude. While they have seemingly experienced a rash of injuries, i don't think for one second that it's b/c of Tom's methods.  1) Tom's too smart for that and 2) think of the group w/ McDonough, Ramos, Metcalf, etc. none of them ever missed time and they were as just as much 'run through a wall' types as any of these guys. 

Actually let's take inventory or Iowa's injuries

1) Spencer (but he still won 3 so they didn't miss any points at all)

2) Murin wore an arm brace for a short period of time but he didn't experience any drop in ability 

3) Kemerer - could certainly argue his placements could have been higher - particularly the years he took 6th and 5th - but i also don't think it was shocking. 174 last year was crazy last year and he lost to CStarr when he was healthy.  

is that it? who am i missing? Nelson, i guess but he's kinda been in a platoon most of his career.

 

 

 

McDonough was hurt the year he threw his trophy for second or third, can’t remember, in the trash after the picture of the podium at big ten tournament.  Can’t remember year.  2007 or 2008?  Somewhere in that Time frame.  Shoulder.

Edited November 27, 2022 by Wrestej

[Husker_Du]

ah yes. you're right. i forgot about that last year.

M* was walking wounded one year too (i think his SR year)

that being said, everyone is hurt in post season.

Nolf was. Cassar lost a year. Kerk was going through so stuff. etc. 

[nhs67]

1 hour ago, headshuck said:

Kentucky Mudflap was a big hunter.

IS

[nhs67]

14 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said:

wow...the sense of humor on this guy.

LADY

That is Levi Haines's mum.  Show some respect.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

18 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

ah yes. you're right. i forgot about that last year.

M* was walking wounded one year too (i think his SR year)

that being said, everyone is hurt in post season.

Nolf was. Cassar lost a year. Kerk was going through so stuff. etc. 

I feel as if Cassar lost more than a year. His last year, he was hurt wrestling Dom Bradley (?) during a freestyle tournament in the middle of folk style season. Career ending. 
 

Dont forget Robbie Howard, Suriano, rasheed,  etc. 

Like you said, this stuff happens  

Edited November 27, 2022 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[Wrestleknownothing]

20 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

ah yes. you're right. i forgot about that last year.

M* was walking wounded one year too (i think his SR year)

that being said, everyone is hurt in post season.

Nolf was. Cassar lost a year. Kerk was going through so stuff. etc. 

Agreed. It is a sport where injury is a near guarantee, so we should not be surprised when there are injuries. The difference is probably that none of those injuries cost PSU a team title.

For Iowa in 2021 I think it is less about the fact of individual injury and more about them all happening together such that it cost Iowa a team title. Or at least that is the way some of the HR community see it. First, COVID stole their back-to-back in 2020, then injury stole it in 2021.

[VakAttack]

Iowa's injuries get held out more because of the perceptions about the Brands style.  As mentioned, lots of injuries in this sport, including at Penn State.  It's a tough sport.