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Anyone who believes this was an honest mistake is one of the dumbest people out there. Same thing for the Fix situation.

I spent one week at the Olympic Training Center over 25 years ago. It was made very very clear to me in that one week that athletes are not to put ANYTHING in their body without making sure that it didn't have a banned substance. I also spent a weekend with the staff of PSU many years ago. PSU athletic department said the same thing. He has heard this more times than Nelson Brands heard "don't gamble on college sports." It isn't a secret in his world whatsoever. If this was an honest mistake caused by an OTC medicine, he is one of the dumbest people out there. It would also be his second bout of stupidity regarding USADA regulations. He deserves whatever is coming to him.

Why would anyone be taking over the counter meds for pneumonia?

The reality is something is “worth” what someone is willing to pay, IMO

"The New Breed: Living Iowa Wrestling" was written by Lou Banach and published in 1985. I was sports editor of the Cedar Rapids Gazette at the time and a friend of Lou's, and helped put it together. He was kind enough to put my name on the cover with his, and we have stayed in contact all these years. Here is what Mark Johnson, Gable's assistant at the time who went on to a great career as head coach at the U. of Illinois, wrote on the back cover -- "In The New Breed, Lou provides great insight. one no other author could. The high points and the low points, Lou tells it like it is, being a national champion on a national champion team, and coched by a legend." The book has many superb photos but is hard to find for sale anymore. Mike Chapman, author of 32 books (17 on wrestling), creator of WIN magazine, the Dan Hodge Trophy and the Dan Gable Museum.

Apologies then boss that’s why I asked. I don’t think this poster says everyone “should” juice but he thinks juicing should be legal etc etc and no one should care. its prolly in that old long kasak thread when Shapiro accused psu of doping after NCAAs

I mean...I don't want to "like" this post... but this is my understanding as someone who has had it explained to me. Now even a little bit saying this with Ben's case, but the WORST situation is when it's keeping you alive ENOUGH that your body won't let you die and... you're impaired and in pain. I'm watching that right now and it's... already a couple months since it was supposed to be over(this is not the same as a 40 year old with 3 young kids and a wife, just saying, when you're on ECMO, there are very few good outcomes.

idk man, trying to hold off the urge to dance on the dudes reputation....him and usada sure to have a lot of misunderstandings.

Nope, but I thought it was interesting that he basically said that Belichick's GF was a part of the reason AJ didn't get admitted into school.

Ben is not going to believe all the crap he missed out on when he fully recovers lol. I firmly believe he wouldn't pull any "puzzy sh!t" when discussing recent events, unlike certain media personalities

Did he say IN the grocery store or out behind?

Athletes can still get NIL deals outside of the school collective... "Bo Knows Used Cars of Nebraska" could still happen out side of any school payment. Since most wrestling programs won't really share in that pot of money from their school, they will have to depend on what they have already been depending on- outside NIL deals from donors.

Do you think its a wrestling-specific problem? Or a problem that exists in power dynamics everywhere. It's a genuine question.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/Apr2025D1MWR_AnnualReport.pdf

I wasn’t. Someone earlier was defending Carter’s hazing behavior and that was one of his examples. It’s somewhere back in this or one of the other Carter related threads.

Wow I had no idea, thank you!

One of the Tate brothers offering to cover the lung transplant.

The longer I've been around, the more I appreciate 1. How fortunate I was to be where I was when I was introduced to the sport 2. the coaches with good results who don't cheat and acknowledge that pound for pound they're better coaches with "better resumes" but they weren't willing to be POS to "acquire" a kid to get those headline results.. or put up with.. questionable behavior.. to keep those athletes around. And that they're super competitive but understand some people will say they don't actually want to win because they don't want to be a POS 3. The more my antenna goes up when "preachyness" gets involved, my personal experience is that hypocrisy ratio is closer to 4-1 bad than good

Also, when he fully formulates his story and goes on Basch and cries about it, he will get prob 25% of this board to believe his story. Mark my words.

he did express support for the 2020 Minneapolis protests, including the destruction of some local businesses, as a legitimate outlet for racial justice, which drew criticism. Key clarifications: His Support for Minneapolis unrest in 2020 On May 30, 2020, Mamdani wrote on X (formerly Twitter): “While politicians & pundits condemn the uprising in Minneapolis … those at the center of it … understand why it’s happening. And why it has to happen. Black + brown solidarity will overcome white supremacy.” He described the riots—which included burning and looting—as “necessary” and grounded in solidarity. He defended violence broadly as a response to systemic injustice. He is a bad guy.

I get I haven't gotten a quarter of the way through the thread.. but pretending this "culture" hasn't been growing and growing and growing in wrestling.. is goddamn naive or out of touch Yes, obviously there is an element of wait and see. But anyone shocked by this or actually expecting safesport or USA wrestling to intervene... and for all the people who say "why don't they name names more or whatever when things like this or coaches cheating, poaching and tolerating Starocci behavior happens there has been a culture of silence in wrestling about this stuff. because no one wants more college programs or funding cut. And in a weird way, loyalty to the health of the sport has overridden everything else about this stuff. And if people have the right friends, the behavior just continues. But people who have tried to sound the alarm, get ignored or silenced. And then everyone knows everyone on top of it. i just had a conversation with someone in the know about this earlier today. Regardless of the scandal, the same three reactions combine to perpetuate nothing being done about.. hazing, inappropriate behavior/relationships, steroids, poaching, etc 1. 10-20% - eh that just how it be at da high level, you just a naive pussy if you have a problem with it 2. 30-40% - eh nothing will actually punish them and it'll just cause me and mine problems and nothing will actually address it, so I'll just run my program clean 3. Rest, OMG how could this happen. "iT wOUlD hAvE BeEN RePORted" TLDR: you shouldn't be surprised at stories like this, and no one does anything because they are loyal to the sport

Lol I don’t Jesus hard enough to be allowed to be the bearer of the syringe of the holy Trenity.

I like moving up the start of Session 6 by 30 minutes. Having attended 25 of these Championships, I have always been of the opinion that there is too much “dead time” between the conclusion of Session 5 & the start of Session 6”.

USADA tells you in excruciating what to avoid and there are nearly endless appeals in the process. He's dirty.

why are all of Iran's 'peaceful' nuclear sites underground ?

Cause it’s a story written by his pr team and they prolly had to link it to something that really happened. Guessing he had pneumonia and they can document that …. And Wiola. I was just trying to feel better. Toats not cheating.

Na downey told him to knock off the raping

A noun... a verb ... Pat Downey!

Ben's situation is terrible. ECMO requires anti-coagulants at very high levels. You need to keep clots from forming without inducing a brain bleed. Titration is difficult as situations can develop quickly. ECMO, by it's very nature, induces clotting in the blood stream. Micro clots get stuck in the lungs and the brain and there's not much you can do about it. These brain injuries stack up and the longer you're on ECMO, the more damage you take. The only thing worse than ECMO is needing it and not getting it. I was a bit surprised he was even listed given his condition and I doubt he's listed at 1A or 1B status. Organ transplant is a long, ugly road and I hope he and his family come out of it OK.

Kind of crazy to know that NLWC has had FOUR people suspended within the past 35 days. That is a cold, hard fact. Thomas "Not Retired" Gilman Kyle "QV-BB" Snyder Carter "Watch my 5 on 2" Starocci Aaron "I didn't mean to cheat while I jump up 24 pounds" Brooks

For the record I think both were juicing. It’s gotta be super rare to accidentally take something.

Half serious question. Half joke. is it worse than drinking your dads accidental steroids bottle on the fridge ? Ha

It's especially ironic that some of the loudest athlete-preachers in the sport (Brooks, Starocci, Snyder) all appear to be morally bankrupt.

Just another "nothingburger" don't ya think?

He gained like 20lbs of tissue from 23-24 year olds while cutting wait for over half the year and claims he does not weight train. He then proceeded to take the following year off without showing any proof of surgery. Not to be a conspiracy theorist but that’s a lot of smoke.

Pat seems to be digging his hand pretty deep in there

If CStar has been removed from NWLC this quickly after the article came out, I think it points to there being substance behind article. I doubt Cael would remove the only 5x Champ in NCAA history only a few months after accomplishing that feet if this was a nothing burger.

The immediate cost in dollars sure... long term dollars is unclear... but blind amnesty has a higher cost with regard to culture, trust, and rule of law.

The documentary that is already out??

Yes, and "handling things internally" isn't going to work out well for anyone.

and pretty sure the Baylor football coach didn't know what was going on and it took down the president as well who clearly wasn't in the loop. There's a range of behavior from protecting to ignoring to knowing nothing that is not acceptable.

If that were me at my job, I would be fired.

Analysis is on the money. Once coaches report it is out of their hands and presumably in the hands of those trained to investigate and make related decisions.

I'm not saying Cael will be gone, but if he is, the whole staff will probably have to follow.

if he shows up, I will give him the login info and let him take it back.

Wonder if Zerban follows. Would like to see him at Mizzou, close to home and he spent 3 yrs at CBC in Mo Also.