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Except for the part about this statement being 100% false, you are absolutely correct. Larry Lee on Spencer's recruiting: You have a son that is one of the top high school recruits in the country– walk us through the END of the decision-making process–It gets narrowed down to a couple of different schools — what happens from there? What role did you and your wife play in the decision–or did you leave it entirely to him? It was important to us that Spencer made his own decision. I’m a spreadsheet type of person, so I helped him do research on each school. I answered questions for him. We looked at academics, majors, graduation rates, rankings, etc. I put every factor he considered into a spreadsheet to refer to after each visit. When he would come home, he would talk, and I would type up notes so that he wouldn’t forget. He quickly narrowed his choices to Penn State and Iowa. I used to go for walks with Spencer, and we would talk about where he was at in the process. Again, to be candid, he waffled more than a few times. Toward the end, he would ask me, “what do you think, where do you think I should go, do you have a favorite?” I would tell him that it’s not my choice; it’s yours. He would often say, “Why won’t you tell me what you think.” I told him that I couldn’t because it has to be his decision. I do want to say that he was under so much pressure to pick Penn State. He heard it from his teachers, classmates, neighbors, etc. Coach Sanderson was relentless as well. Because Penn State was so close, Spencer visited the campus six times during the process. He visited Iowa three times. The Penn State staff often found their way to his school or Young Gun workouts to observe or to be a presence. Once, when Spencer visited Penn State, he walked into the practice room and found every athlete on the team, including the coaches, wearing pajama pants in recognition of his visit. As you know, in high school, Spencer always wore pajama pants to warm-up. It was a great move and spoke to how hard Penn State worked to recruit him. Because the rules aren’t what they are now, we paid for each visit to the schools. We wanted Spencer to have full access, so our role was to provide that access and support him as he went through his decision-making process. So obviously we know how the story ended up– and Hawkeye fans are thrilled to say the least- how did it play out– did Spencer come home from practice one day and say– Dad– I’m choosing the Hawkeyes? No one knows this, but he did go back and forth. Every time he would lean one way or the other, I told him to sleep on it and give a little time. He would often come back and say, “I don’t know.” He truly struggled. One day he told me he had made his decision. He said something that I will never forget. I asked, “Which one?” He told me, “Choosing Penn State was the easy decision, but Iowa was the right decision.” I asked him what he meant, and he said, “Going to Penn State would make everyone happy. I love wrestling for the state of PA and I’ve always been a PA boy. I’ve wrestled for the state at every level, Schoolboy, Cadet, Junior, PIAA’s. Penn State has a great team and will be the favorites to win team titles. I know everyone on the Penn State team. I’ve been teammates with a bunch of those guys through Young Guns. I get along with all of them. I’d be closer to home and you guys. It would be so much easier for you to attend my matches. I was a roommate on my first world team with Bo Nickal, on another world team with both Mark Hall and Anthony Cassar. But for me to achieve my long-term goals, I know that Iowa is the right choice even if it’s not as comfortable. Terry and Tom coach each person to their talents and skills. When I visited and watched practices, it was apparent that they are the right coaches for me. I know that for me to have a chance at 4 NCAA titles, and World and Olympic Teams. The easy choice isn’t the right choice. Dad, I’m going to become a Hawkeye.” https://hawkeyewrestlingclub.com/larry-lee/

They fielded a nearly complete lineup, missing only hwt. Didn't see any matches, but they duelled VMI, Navy and Pitt. Suffered blowouts but it looked like they completed hard and won a few individual matches.

Morgan Kopitsky has been doing recaps for Women's wrestling this season! Week One: Week two should be coming soon. Her author profile also has some great preseason content taking a look at what the top teams from last season are looking like. Jason Bryant also puts out daily events for men and women's wrestling. It seems like outside of Iowa a lot of schools have some basic streams on their sites but not sure of the consistency.

Maybe, and hear me out on this, he just doesn't care as much about olympic wrestling as everyone wants him to. He has done it nonstop domestically and globally since he was a child. It's okay to want to do something different. Yes the flip-flopping has left a very sour taste in many mouths but perhaps he has the ex-athlete mindset now: "I miss practice and being with the guys, but I don't miss having to do all the competitions and the travel and the sacrifices. I still like to show up but I only want to do it on my terms going forward." That is a great and understandable mindset. How many rooms had a guy who would come in once or twice every week or two, would help out, and you could see the passion was still there as long as it was in the right space and mindset? And don't forget that Steveson is not "just" an olympic champ. He was a 4x state champ, Fargo champ, 2x NCAA champ (3x if not for covid), 2x cadet world champ, junior world champ, and THEN he won the olympics with what will likely go down as the greatest highlight comeback of all time and did all this before he could even drink a beer with his teammates. He has done everything there is to do in the sport except chase JB/Smith/Snyder/Big Bruce. He has pursued lofty goals for himself and very likely others his entire life. So if he wants to do something new and get paid for it along the way then good for him. That's his decision and not anyone else's.

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I would much rather be the hunter then the hunted. This should be some more great early season wrestling.

To be fair to the title of this thread, I haven't lost to anyone or anywhere since 1990. You have my permission to make a thread.

That is an odd take. He has exactly the resume after beating #6 and then #1.

What do you have against Dom Zaccone!?

It would not surprise me if on Rule 5495.14 section Q subsection 4 subsubsectiion 12 that you find in size 2 font, "Open tournament MFF do not count as a loss."

I’d agree for the most part but I think you’re exaggerating if you’re basing it on what he’s making now. I thought the rumor was $1 million for his WWE contract right? Although not sure of the timeframe. But he got $250k for Olympic Gold. Another of those and he’s already halfway there. Throw in world medals, sponsorships and an RTC salary and he should be able to top $1 million in lifetime earnings from freestyle wrestling alone, not even counting NIL for college or coaching. Of course if he was actually successful in WWE then it’d be a different story.

Moline IL kid he was 5th twice in IL big schools. He was 106 as a SR

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/24682527/hamas-terrorists-gang-raped-israeli/ UTTER BRUTALITY Hamas terrorists gang-raped Israeli before one executed her while still sexually assaulting her, horrified witness says Captured Hamas terrorists also revealed they planned to reach the centre of Israel during their bloody October 7 attacks HAMAS monsters gang-raped a woman before shooting her in the head while still having sex with her, a traumatised witness testified. Israel's FBI, known as Lahav 433, is gathering horrifying evidence of sexual assaults in order to prosecute hundreds of captured terrorists who unleashed hell on Israel on October 7. The investigators spoke to a female witness who claimed to have watched the gang-rape and murder of a young Israeli woman by Hamas terrorists. The witness told Lahav 433 that she hid as the horrors unfolded in front of her, Israeli newspaper Haaretz reports. "As I am hiding, I see in the corner of my eye that [a terrorist] is raping her," she recalled. "They bent her over and I realised they were raping her and simply passing her on to the next [gunman]." The witness said that one of the rapists subsequently "shot her in the head while he was raping her" and "didn't even lift his pants". She then described that several of the gunmen then mutilated her dead body. They were not close to what they wanted to do, that darn IDF got in the way, just too bad eh UB? Too bad they couldn't keep going and control half of Israel in the same brutal manner, eh UB? Hamas kills Israelis. Hamas kills Gazans. Hamas does not want peace. Hamas wants war. Hamas wants Israelis annihilated. They have said this in the last month in no uncertain circumstances. Hamas depends on the blood of their women and children to gain sympathy. These are the same women and children they use as human shields (note UB that this is a war crime). These are the same women and children they don't allow to escape. These are the same women and children they refuse to defend putting that onus on the UN. They don't care about life. They care about killing people, their own, Israeli, they want to kill. Is it wrong for Israel to demand total surrender? Or do they have to accept a situation where they are constantly harassed by rockets and bullets and the occasional incursion with brutal brutal results? Such freedom fighters these pious people are eh UB? Isn't it time for Gazans to rise up and do in Hamas themselves? Or do they still support this terrorist regime they voted in 20 years ago and can't vote out because of no more elections? I say they should do the former. But if the latter is true, then they are complicit with Hamas and are also enemies of Israel as well. mspart

The kid just trained for and peaked for the world two months ago. I wouldn’t get too antsy. I don’t think it would be surprising if he wasn’t 100% into it right now.

This is about 4x NCAA champs at the freestyle world level. Your heresey cannot be allowed to persist on the international board and must be cast out down to the depths of the College Forum!

They do at 125 and heavyweight as well under Cael. Care to keep going with that equivalency, or shall we look a little deeper than just one number?

Similarly, Karchla MFFed out of the Clarion Open and Wrestlestat has his record at 4-1 only counting the Lewis loss.

I am not sure what the latest policy with the USAW Living the Dream Fund but in 2016 when JB was going for a repeat Olympic Gold medal it was announced that a repeat Olympic Gold would get the winner $500K. Now JB did not repeat - also Kyle Snyder and Helen M failed to repeat in 2020(1) - This year Steveson and David Taylor could repeat as OG Medalists. I don't know if the higher amount is still being considered for repeat Olympic golds.

So does it also count as a head to head win for the other guy?

How did I denigrate him? I have zero respect for WWE and Vince McMahon. If anything, I have more respect for him for not being what WWE wants. It's not surprising at all that WWE made this choice because Gable isn't roided up, doesn't look like a freak, and isn't obnoxious like Logan Paul. It's very easy to see somebody this talented doing backyard WWE shows, when he is the best at the world at something else, and recognize that it wasn't a great decision. Of course he can do whatever he wants, but we can't make an obvious observation on a message board? Are you going to be offended if I also say Aaron Pico might have made a mistake in foregoing college and international wrestling?

I had already considered Crookham to be at a similar level (Mid podium) to Latona who defeated Arujau regular season last year. I would bet heavily that Vito will win the next several rematches but I will be rooting for Crookham anyway

It’s been about 15-20 a weekend (I don’t have the exact numbers in front of me) so far between D-1 opponents. It’ll become fewer as the season goes on due to dual meets becoming more prevalent than tournaments later in the season, though.

If you are the one responsible for Vince Cornella's match getting turned to a medical forfeit loss on trackwrestling (and however many more there should be which is probably a much bigger number than I realize), than I appreciate the time and work you are putting into this.

Let's not get into actual facts and statistics here.

Doesn't Penn State have the same number of titles at 133 as 141?

If "snitches get stitches", I'll need to spend the entire gross domestic product of a mid-sized country to turn my skin into a mess consisting of more stitch than epidermis. Basically, I've been sending listings of matches every Monday that need to be changed from MFF to MFFL to the NWCA, as one of the two major software systems (Arena) doesn't have the functionality to log the countable medical forfeit, and I've seen the MFFL in a bracket on Track exactly once. In short, send all hate mail to me.

Ummm…..

To do that, he'll have to beat Vito at least twice and perhaps three times this year. January and twice in March.

I was a perennial in youth (placed every year at state, won 2 state titles) and at the HS level (Mediapolis, IA) I am likely known as a bit of an underachiever considering I placed just one time at the Iowa HS State Wrestling Tournament. I ended up competing D3 for Loras College in Dubuque, IA for 3.5 years and was up and down. Had the capacity to pin the national champ at my weight, but also routinely lost to guys who weren’t even varsity. One time at the Loras Open I pinned Wartburg’s starter who had just won the Harold Nichols at Iowa State the week before and in the finals I got my butt kicked by the guy who was 3rd string behind him! I was able to effectively Hit a lot of; carries, cradles, headlocks and Merkles at every level; youth, HS and college. I Competed at Loras College until I dinged my knee in practice 4th year and while checking that, my doctor discovered I actually had hip dysplasia my entire life and ordered emergency reconstructive surgery on my hips… career was done, but my hips to this day feel like heaven and I am much more mobile now than I was before the surgery…. And that was about 15 years ago! My hips were maybe part of the reason I didn’t meet expectations in HS/college, for there were certain things I could not force my body to do… like, it felt structurally impossible trying to do them… for example: hitting a successful standup, turning the corner on high crotches, etc. seemed impossible. On the other hand, I was able to be more flexible while using my legs on top and in sprawl positions because my hips/legs would bend in ways that wouldn’t more most ppl. The PRIMARY reasons for not meeting expectations were; 1.) I thought 100X more about how to make weight than I did actually learning how to get better and 2.) I started going out/partying really hard as a Freshman in HS and this carried over to basically until I was 35 or so. I prioritized my social life above and beyond in comparison to wrestling and paid the price for it. Bright side with all that is that I’m the oldest of 4 brothers and was rather vocal to at least the youngest 2 bros who are 14 and 16 years younger than me about my experiences and always pounded it into their heads to not make the same mistakes as me. The one close to my age (Justin) was a 3X Iowa HS State Finalist/1X Champ/1X Folkstyle National Champ/2X Fargo AA who competed at UNI. The one 14 years younger than me (Shea) was a 3X Iowa HS State Placer and 4-year starter at NAIA Graceland. The youngest one (Brennan) placed 6-3-2-2 at state and after he couldn’t even get a D1 coach to email him back or respond to his applications, he initially went to Graceland University on a full ride for football (he was 1st team all state football, a 6X placer at state track in sprinting events and was even a state champ in Art of all things)… He went out for wrestling on a whim during Christmas break his Freshman year because he just couldn’t stand going to watch meets without competing… he would go on to win 2 NAIA titles there before transferring to Iowa to see what he could do at the D1 level and is in his final season this year… He’s one of these guys who may have been adversely affected by being a multi-sport wrestler who took his other sports just as serious as wrestling. That was a frustrating experience for him, but I doubt he would ever take back his football and track experiences for the world. Very happy that my brothers didn’t follow my path when it came to prioritizing wrestling/education/etc. As anxious as it makes me to merely THINK about any of the 3 doing what I did, it makes me feel that much more guilty for putting my parents through the stress I did. You live and learn I guess. Happy to at least been blessed with the chance to learn from it. Short Answer: Yes, I competed in D3 and won probably 65-70% of my matches there if I had to take a guess.

The first TD he was literally looking to run the lace as part of his chain wrestling. I have a hunch the returning freestyle world champ with an eye toward making the olympic freestyle team had a lapse in judgment at his first folk competition. I bet he also didn't expose his shoulders despite the fact you can basically pin yourself and still come out ahead 3-0 (twoooooo!). He still shouldn't be too worried, the only two people who can beat him in March are 1) himself and 2) another senior world silver medalist that he properly dismantled in the lesser style last March.

I don't know if he's the most overhyped US wrestler ever, but he's certainly the most overhyped 4 time NCAA champ world silver medalist 23 year old american wrestler ever.

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/a-big-deal-for-voting-pennsylvania-relaxes-mail-in-ballot-rules-will-no-longer-match-voters-signatures/ ‘A Big Deal for Voting’: Pennsylvania Relaxes Mail-in Ballot Rules, Will No Longer Match Voters’ Signatures Colin Kalmbacher Sep 15th, 2020, 4:51 pm 49 comments The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania relaxed controversial verification rules for the processing of mail-in ballots last week in a decided victory and boon for voting rights advocates. The decision also short-circuits a voting access lawsuit already in progress. Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar (D) issued guidance to counties that local election officials cannot perform on-the-spot signature analysis. Effectively, this means that ballots cannot be rejected because an election official believes the voter’s signature on a ballot envelope does not match the signature on file. “Once the qualified voter’s absentee or mail-in application is approved, the voter is mailed a ballot with instructions and two envelopes,” the memo explains. “The outer envelope includes both a unique correspondence ID barcode that links the envelope to the qualified voter’s application and a pre-printed Voter’s Declaration that the voter must sign representing that the voter is qualified to vote the enclosed ballot and has not already voted.” ... But “signature analysis” is specifically mentioned as a no-go area for election workers. So how do you prevent fraud when this is the standard? SOS Boockvar broke PA state law but issuing this guidance in my opinion. Even a whacko left wing state like mine (WA) does signature matching. And if signature matching is not sufficient, then how does anyone propose to preclude fraudulent votes from coming in and being counted? mspart

Now that would be a hell of a Halloween costume (ghost-suriano)

I think that's the definition of parity, not depth. Eventually another Fadzaev will come along and run the weight for half a decade, and it won't mean there's less depth. Just less parity.

Or, why not just put Crookham at #1 now since Fix will have a chance to take it from him in December? In all honesty, I’d be fine with 1. Fix, 2. Crookham, 3. Vito. You can argue it either way though… how does Fix go above Vito, or how does Crookham go above Fix (if you put Crookham #1)? I predict that Vito will win it all in March, but rankings and predictions are different. I’d be disappointed if they keep Vito ranked ahead of Crookham. Otherwise, it’s debatable how it should be right now.

I think Crookham should be 1st. If it was just a dual and he pulled an upset over the #1, I’d say it’s not enough to put him that high. But he won a tough tournament and also beat the #6. If rankings are to reflect current results (which they are), I’d say he’s #1

Yep-it seems exactly as if they signed him to a contract and are giving him the shittiest assignments possible to try to get him to quit, but he knows if he just shows up, the checks will keep coming in. I don't know why anybody thought WWE would suddenly care about Olympic wrestling credentials and why this would be a better career choice than continuing to be the best freestyle HWT wrestler in the world.

I can sympathize with this! I wrestled D1 and made it to the NCAA tournament 3 times… never AA’d though. I know how hard I had to work to even just get there, so I feel bad for all the guys falling short of their goals and then having to hear crap from us fans! I’m sure it’s much worse today with social media… it’s probably hard for the athletes to avoid

I could certainly see Fix adding to the collection of his favorite color

arujau, who i think is a great sportsman, looked like he got a little annoyed by how hard that kid wrestled back. maybe a little bit of hubris in there.

Now that is funny.

I was a mediocre high school wrestler. I ended up going to school at UW-Madison (not for wrestling) but didn’t want my competitive days to be over so decided to try and walk-on even though I knew it would be a long shot. I still remember the first time we went live in preseason thinking holy shit I feel like I’m going to die! Anyway, I initially got cut and was kind of just content with the opportunity to be in the room. But Barry Davis, who was the coach at the time, said something to me like you can come back and wrestle with us once the season is over. That kind of surprised me, like he actually noticed me during preseason. Those words were enough motivation that I really trained my butt off and came back once the season was over. I trained with the team in Spring and summer and was able to walk on my last two years of school. Mostly I was beat up each practice but every now and then would get a takedown on a good guy and make him upset enough to really beat me up! Being in the room for my last two years of school is probably the most formative experience I’ve had in my life and one I’m grateful for.

Welcome to the board, Mark.

Not going to lie I have been waiting a couple weeks for the right opportunity to post those tweets because they were pure gold. What have you Flo? Nevermind, I'm sure they will only poach the topics they "like" from this here message board before reminding us it is a "cesspool."

The only reason I subscribe to Flo is because they have some actual wrestling tournaments streamed at points throughout the season. I don't read their articles or rankings (unless otherwise prompted) and would appreciate if they reallocated some of those "resources" toward enhancing the user experience for streaming wrestling tournaments and duals. I use the monthly subscription to Flo because I choose a month or two here and there where there a bunch of streamed events and am basically a part-time customer.

I like the current arrangement where I know the information already but I pay them to recite it back to me and they get it wrong.

Espo took the otc job last week. Hard to say what the time-line is for smith to retire.