Dropping to a Knee. Is it stalling?

[scourge165]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

  

Also  thanks for pointing out Ferrari’s fr year bonus percent is 25%.  Fun fact.   Carter starocci’s bonus rate in his first non Rs year (aka freshmen) was literally exactly 18.75%.   Weird right?  The only people he bonused that year were ranked #118, #68, and  #54

the bonus machine also couldn’t take Ferrari down either.   Weird. 

Cool. YOU were complaining about his style AS A SENIOR.

You didn't say, "boy, Starocci really stalled 4 years ago when he won his first NCAA Title," you were saying he stallS now.

That was also with a 2 PT TD and 2 and 3 pt NF.

But NOW, you find Freshmen Ferrari to be more exciting than Sr Starocci?

Also, he went the last 4 years without anyone beating him. His last lost was as a Freshmen vs a 7th year Wrestler who was 6 years removed from taking a 3rd in the NCAAs(and only barely improved upon that). 

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

Ferrari isn’t a 5x ncaa champion who decided his bonus rate sucked so bad over his career he decided to try to bonus people in his 5th year to show some peeps he wasn’t like watching paint dry.

So him NOT being a 5X National Champ makes him more exciting while he Wrestle's on one knee and takes about 3 chances per match?

 

LOL... alright. Like I said, you can just say, "I'm biased." 

[Caveira]

27 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Cool. YOU were complaining about his style AS A SENIOR.

You didn't say, "boy, Starocci really stalled 4 years ago when he won his first NCAA Title," you were saying he stallS now.

That was also with a 2 PT TD and 2 and 3 pt NF.

But NOW, you find Freshmen Ferrari to be more exciting than Sr Starocci?

Also, he went the last 4 years without anyone beating him. His last lost was as a Freshmen vs a 7th year Wrestler who was 6 years removed from taking a 3rd in the NCAAs(and only barely improved upon that). 

So him NOT being a 5X National Champ makes him more exciting while he Wrestle's on one knee and takes about 3 chances per match?

 

LOL... alright. Like I said, you can just say, "I'm biased." 

I said Ferraris style can be boring yes?   You can find the quote if you like.   Also.  Cstall earned his Cstall Nick name.   Own it. 
 

Cstall was called Cstall long before his senior year.  You should know that uncle starroci or Mr starroci.  

Edited December 31, 2025 by Caveira

[scourge165]

52 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I said Ferraris style can be boring yes?   You can find the quote if you like.   Also.  Cstall earned his Cstall Nick name.   Own it. 
 

Cstall was called Cstall long before his senior year.  You should know that uncle starroci or Mr starroci.  

Yeah... and then said "not as boring as stallrocci sitting on an ankle for a week boring."

THAT is the point.

53 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Cstall was called Cstall long before his senior year.  You should know that uncle starroci or Mr starroci.  

LOL... ok, so he's "Cstall," but the guy who Wrestles on his knee is better?
Also YOU were calling him C-Stall SPECIFICALLY for his Sr year as an argument late in the year why he shouldn't be considered for the Hodge(pre-injury).

 

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

You should know that uncle starroci or Mr starroci.  

LOL... cool. 

[Caveira]

8 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Yeah... and then said "not as boring as stallrocci sitting on an ankle for a week boring."

THAT is the point.

LOL... ok, so he's "Cstall," but the guy who Wrestles on his knee is better?
Also YOU were calling him C-Stall SPECIFICALLY for his Sr year as an argument late in the year why he shouldn't be considered for the Hodge(pre-injury).

 

LOL... cool. 

I called him cstall many times over the course of his boring career yes.  So did several other posters.  This is nothing new.    He prolly has a patent on that sit on the ankle stall ride he was good at.  Unfortunately he can’t get a patent on the hide your arm behind your back…. That was someone else. 

Edited January 1 by Caveira

[scourge165]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

I called him cstall many times over the course of his boring career yes.  This is nothing new.    He prolly has a patent on that sit on the ankle stall ride he was good at.  Unfortunately he can’t get a patent on the hide your arm behind your back…. That was someone else. 

I don't care anymore. I was more just taking a little jab at you for running your mouth... as you said, his entire career(while winning 5 National Titles) and now being a fan of... the most boring good Wrestler in the Country. 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

I don't care anymore. I was more just taking a little jab at you for running your mouth... as you said, his entire career(while winning 5 National Titles) and now being a fan of... the most boring good Wrestler in the Country. 

Even ai says he is cstall 

, Carter Starocci is sometimes referred to by the nickname "

Cstall" (or "C-Stall") within the wrestling community. 

The nickname is generally used in reference to his highly tactical, defensive style of wrestling that some fans perceive as employing stalling tactics to secure close wins, often by a single takedown and then riding his opponent out. 

• Origin of the nickname: The name is a pejorative combination of "Carter" or "C." and the term "stall," which is a wrestling rule violation for avoiding action.
• Usage: The nickname is most often used by critics or opposing fans, though some of his supporters have also adopted the nickname in a tongue-in-cheek way.
• Style of wrestling: His style, while very effective and leading to an incredible record, is characterized by a "zero risk game" and exceptional defense, which some find boring to watch. 

Edited January 1 by Caveira

[Hammerlock3]

7 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

I don't care anymore.

you need to argue a little more honestly its exhausting for everyone.

[Lordnelson]

To the OP, yes. Start swiping any time they take a knee and are not clearly engaged with their opponent.  

[Lordnelson]

The argument over which is more boring to watch between Ferrari and Starocci is like arguing the 8/9 seed in a 16 man bracket.

[pmilk]

Scourge...where to start...obviously I don't know your vintage nor your level of experience, but to claim that there is more chain wrestling and counters now than ever before is...well, rather uninformed, to be kind. Been around a long time as a competitor and coach at virtually every level. Man's arms, legs, and head are in the exact same spots as they have been since the beginning of time. Give a man the correct stimulus and he will give you a predictable response. That's wrestling in a nutshell. 

And I hardly believe that you are "aware of them all," as some of those names/techniques were unique to our team and I have seen virtually no-one use several of them...ever, regardless of the label. You can cherry pick one technique (e.g.boot scoot -perhaps your boot scoot is a different technique than ours) and claim that it is not "automatic." Correct, our philosophy and coaching had us in the mindset that when an opp goes to his knees, we have enough firepower/options to make scoring damn near automatic. That's the point. The guy on his knees doesn't have to push or anything else...just being on his knees makes him vulnerable IF you have an arsenal of techniques from which to draw. If your opp is not "wrestling," your job is to expose it. That's what we were taught. Just because a guy is on his knees doesn't make it stalling. Plenty of guys on their feet stall. Furthermore, stalling a part of good strategy for winning. Fortunately for me, I had only four coaches from HS thru college and they are all in the National Wrestling Hall of Fame. 

[Scouts Honor]

very well said 

[flyingcement]

On 1/1/2026 at 8:03 AM, pmilk said:

Scourge...where to start...obviously I don't know your vintage nor your level of experience, but to claim that there is more chain wrestling and counters now than ever before is...well, rather uninformed, to be kind. Been around a long time as a competitor and coach at virtually every level. Man's arms, legs, and head are in the exact same spots as they have been since the beginning of time. Give a man the correct stimulus and he will give you a predictable response. That's wrestling in a nutshell. 

And I hardly believe that you are "aware of them all," as some of those names/techniques were unique to our team and I have seen virtually no-one use several of them...ever, regardless of the label. You can cherry pick one technique (e.g.boot scoot -perhaps your boot scoot is a different technique than ours) and claim that it is not "automatic." Correct, our philosophy and coaching had us in the mindset that when an opp goes to his knees, we have enough firepower/options to make scoring damn near automatic. That's the point. The guy on his knees doesn't have to push or anything else...just being on his knees makes him vulnerable IF you have an arsenal of techniques from which to draw. If your opp is not "wrestling," your job is to expose it. That's what we were taught. Just because a guy is on his knees doesn't make it stalling. Plenty of guys on their feet stall. Furthermore, stalling a part of good strategy for winning. Fortunately for me, I had only four coaches from HS thru college and they are all in the National Wrestling Hall of Fame. 

[Truzzcat]

If you are an advocate for this do not watch ungar vs Rivera.

[flyingcement]

Just now, Truzzcat said:

If you are an advocate for this do not watch ungar vs Rivera.

I was just thinking the same thing.  Horrible match.  

[Truzzcat]

2 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

I was just thinking the same thing.  Horrible match.  

As a ref how do you let them both post on each others head for like 40% of the match on two knees and not hit them with a double stall. I think Ferrera is the guy for Cornell but Ungar will probably be in every match he wrestles because hes stingy on top and does not do a single thing from neutral.

[ionel]

39 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

As a ref how do you let them both post on each others head for like 40% of the match on two knees and not hit them with a double stall. 

I say if both guys want to stall let em.  No need for a double stall.  

[ugarles]

Watching Max Leete of American wrestle on one knee for almost the entire seven minutes against Ferrara was driving me insane. Credit to the kid for winning the match (and getting the takedown he needed to come from behind) but there is no way the ref should allow anyone but Robles to scoot around on a knee for the whole match.

[MPhillips]

10 hours ago, Truzzcat said:

and not hit them with a double stall.

 

9 hours ago, ionel said:

No need for a double stall. 

Not after JH...

[BarSeries]

Wrestling from a knee wearing out shoes

 

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, BarSeries said:

Wrestling from a knee wearing out shoes

 

Ok but what about the knee pads.?  

[Scouts Honor]

first off

those are nikes.

enough said.

 

[jdalu75]

I used to hate seeing Mason Beckman wrestle from one knee all match.  But he wasn't able to back up easily from that position.  Now, that would have been stalling.

[WrestlingRash]

Wrestling from the knee is not stalling and if you don't like it, figure out how to score on the guy. If not, quit yer belly achin 

[GimJustafan]