Anyone hear something crazy recently?

[Lordnelson]

There's some real brilliance in this thread.

PD3 and Snyder are on two totally different wavelengths.  Comparing the two based on a simple credit system, it is insulting to even point to PD3 as a viable comparison.  

Media outlets can't say much, because there are still a ton of legal implications, the hunger for people to hear "takes" and "moral outrage" speaks to how far our media has fallen in general. People think moral outrage is actual journalism.  

There is still a lot out there to be determined.  Prostitution is not a good look, I get it, but unless the person in question is underage it is a victimless crime.  

Feeling great about calling Snyder on his outward faith is certainly on the table for those that like to dunk on people when all they have is a keyboard in their win column.  Can't object to it but it's low hanging fruit.  

Snyder needs help.  He also has a mountain and a half of personal issues to resolve.  I hope he figures things out.  To me the whole thing is just a bummer.

1. He embarrassed himself and worse his family.  Tied in secondarily is the representation of wrestling he carries with tOSU and now NLWC.  No winners here.

2. The further embarrassment of the sport on socials by mouth breathers coming out to dunk on him for the behaviors or his faith.  

[Winners Circle]

6 minutes ago, Lordnelson said:

There's some real brilliance in this thread.

PD3 and Snyder are on two totally different wavelengths.  Comparing the two based on a simple credit system, it is insulting to even point to PD3 as a viable comparison.  

Media outlets can't say much, because there are still a ton of legal implications, the hunger for people to hear "takes" and "moral outrage" speaks to how far our media has fallen in general. People think moral outrage is actual journalism.  

There is still a lot out there to be determined.  Prostitution is not a good look, I get it, but unless the person in question is underage it is a victimless crime.  

Feeling great about calling Snyder on his outward faith is certainly on the table for those that like to dunk on people when all they have is a keyboard in their win column.  Can't object to it but it's low hanging fruit.  

Snyder needs help.  He also has a mountain and a half of personal issues to resolve.  I hope he figures things out.  To me the whole thing is just a bummer.

1. He embarrassed himself and worse his family.  Tied in secondarily is the representation of wrestling he carries with tOSU and now NLWC.  No winners here.

2. The further embarrassment of the sport on socials by mouth breathers coming out to dunk on him for the behaviors or his faith.  

The only person who was trying to compare PD3 to Snyder was @alliseeisgold, who we've established is in fact PD3 himself.

[BuckyBadger]

7 minutes ago, Lordnelson said:

There's some real brilliance in this thread.

PD3 and Snyder are on two totally different wavelengths.  Comparing the two based on a simple credit system, it is insulting to even point to PD3 as a viable comparison.  

Media outlets can't say much, because there are still a ton of legal implications, the hunger for people to hear "takes" and "moral outrage" speaks to how far our media has fallen in general. People think moral outrage is actual journalism.  

There is still a lot out there to be determined.  Prostitution is not a good look, I get it, but unless the person in question is underage it is a victimless crime.  

Feeling great about calling Snyder on his outward faith is certainly on the table for those that like to dunk on people when all they have is a keyboard in their win column.  Can't object to it but it's low hanging fruit.  

Snyder needs help.  He also has a mountain and a half of personal issues to resolve.  I hope he figures things out.  To me the whole thing is just a bummer.

1. He embarrassed himself and worse his family.  Tied in secondarily is the representation of wrestling he carries with tOSU and now NLWC.  No winners here.

2. The further embarrassment of the sport on socials by mouth breathers coming out to dunk on him for the behaviors or his faith.  

You get a lot right here, but I have to take issue with the idea that people are just calling out his faith. They aren’t. 
 

They are calling out the hypocrisy of what he says and preaches to others and how what he does behind closed doors goes completely against it.

If he wasn’t so outspoken about lifestyle, morality, the right path, then I’d be with you.

[Dogbone]

2 hours ago, fishbane said:

This board didn't exist in 2009-2011 for people to write essays on Pat Downey.  And he barely would have registered with the audience on its predecessor, themat.com.  Downey graduated high school in 2011 and he didn't win Fargo until the summer of 2011.  He won senior national the spring of 2011. He wasn't really a top recruit prior to that and was #80 in the class of 2011 recruiting rankings.  No one on the biggest college wrestling forums at the time would have known who he was to write an essay in his defense.   Tyrel Miller is #80 on the 2025 big board.  I know nothing about him.  Do you?

Still I am sure Downey had his supporters defending him locally during that time period.  He attended three different high schools and was recruited to the University of Nebraska, so he received multiple chances to start over fresh.  Of course he would get booted out of Nebraska without wrestling a match for excessive partying and breaking his hand in a street fight...

So if there is a difference in how a college wrestling forum treats Downey and Snyder it comes down to Downey having three strikes against him before he even wrestled a college match and Snyder being a model citizen for over a decade on the national scene before his indiscretion. To me those facts explain it far better than your feeling that one is "real" and the other is "fake" contributing to a double standard.

Not that it is matters to your point, but Downey did win a Junior Silver medal.  Maybe the recruiting rankings weren't as accurate as today but its not like he was a nobody.

Does it really matter that it is talked about in the college forum?  This is the biggest story in wrestling and the college forum is the most active.

And we really don't know Synder was a model citizen for over a decade. Only his public imagine has been squeaky clean but as someone else pointed out OJ Simpson had a great image but it tuns out he wasn't a very good dude.   Maybe Downy is just more honest with his public image and doesn't try to put on a fake image?   Does that mean we should treat the guy who is managing his image better than the guy who shows you his true self, warts and all.

[ionel]

Crazy:

https://nypost.com/2025/05/12/us-news/utah-oil-magnate-charged-with-working-with-cartels-to-smuggle-illegal-mexican-oil/

[Lordnelson]

1 hour ago, BuckyBadger said:

You get a lot right here, but I have to take issue with the idea that people are just calling out his faith. They aren’t. 
 

They are calling out the hypocrisy of what he says and preaches to others and how what he does behind closed doors goes completely against it.

If he wasn’t so outspoken about lifestyle, morality, the right path, then I’d be with you.

Does he preach to others? or does he just attribute his success to his faith?

[fishbane]

4 minutes ago, Dogbone said:

Not that it is matters to your point, but Downey did win a Junior Silver medal.  Maybe the recruiting rankings weren't as accurate as today but its not like he was a nobody.

You are correct about the silver medal.  At the time of his first run in with the law he was a nobody on the national scene.  He was arrested in the summer of 2009 which I think is the only one of his the three high school assault incidents he was found guilty.  Before that he had placed 3rd in MD as a freshman and was 6th at national preps in 2009.  He had won MD states in 2010.  His biggest pre-college accomplishments were winning NHSCA Senior nationals in March 2011 and Fargo junior national the summer of 2011.  He was #80 in the recruiting rankings that came out before those events took place.

11 minutes ago, Dogbone said:

Does it really matter that it is talked about in the college forum?  This is the biggest story in wrestling and the college forum is the most active.

I have no issue in discussing this here even if it is off topic.  Alliseeisgold was saying there is a double standard in people wanting to give Snyder a chance at redemption and not Snyder.  Presumably he is talking about people on this forum, USA wrestling, and the national wrestling media.  By the time Pat Downey would have been a relevant topic for a forum like this, USA Wrestling leadership, or national wrestling media he already had multiple assault charges and was on his 2nd, 3rd, or 4th high school.  Snyder had over a decade of problem free outstanding performance.  

16 minutes ago, Dogbone said:

And we really don't know Synder was a model citizen for over a decade. Only his public imagine has been squeaky clean but as someone else pointed out OJ Simpson had a great image but it tuns out he wasn't a very good dude.  

No run ins with the law.  Was never shown the door at a high school, college, or RTC.  Simpson's first run in with the law was a double murder not soliciting a prostitute...

24 minutes ago, Dogbone said:

Maybe Downy is just more honest with his public image and doesn't try to put on a fake image?   Does that mean we should treat the guy who is managing his image better than the guy who shows you his true self, warts and all.

Yes.  Downey has a *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me*ty violent personality for such people being fake would result in better outcomes for both the individual and society.  It is better for such a person to be fake than real.  Being fake for this Downey is walking away from a street fight instead of breaking your hand and kicked out of Nebraska or shaking your opponents hand after a match instead of escalating things/throwing punches and being disqualified/suspended.  Downey should try and be more fake and less real.

[1032004]

29 minutes ago, Lordnelson said:

Does he preach to others? 

Yes.  Well, he did 

[BuckyBadger]

8 minutes ago, Lordnelson said:

Does he preach to others? or does he just attribute his success to his faith?

He is the face of FCA in the wrestling world, he puts on camps mixing wrestling and Christian belief. That goes way beyond just attributing success to faith. 

 

[WrestlingRasta]

On 5/13/2025 at 1:46 PM, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

My brother is a pretty successful businessman (it doesn't run in the family) and was invited by one of his corporate partners to go on aa multi-city road trip with an NBA team.  He stayed in the same hotel, flew on the plane, etc.  He was sitting on a flight with an ex-player (current announcer) who has a relative in the league.  He couldn't believe how openly the announcer was talking about how all the players have different girls in each town.  It was very matter of fact.

Drake's rendition of "Side Pieces" at the ESPY's is classic.

[UsedToBe103]

1 hour ago, Lordnelson said:

Does he preach to others? or does he just attribute his success to his faith?

Apparently he led bible studies with the PSU team.

[OMW]

Coincidentally, Snyder and PD3 are both from Maryland.

[AgaveMaria]

BuckyBadger wrote:

They are calling out the hypocrisy of what he says and preaches to others and how what he does behind closed doors goes completely against it.

If he wasn’t so outspoken about lifestyle, morality, the right path, then I’d be with you.

-------------------------------

He's a "Christian".

Jim Bakker

Catholic Priests

Mormon molesters

so very many others.

Want to bet he will be a "Miracle of Forgiveness" type & eventually go on the preaching circuit talking about how "Satan had me but now I'm saved"?

As for "no problem with consenting adults" - in general it is right. Big problem is when you start going to hookers you stand a very good chance of ending up with someone forced into the life. Too often working off some kind of debt to dirtbags who take advantage of them.

It isn't like many in Nevada in the Counties where prositution is legal, licensed and inspected. Even there you have problems.

Face it, the Golden boy has feet of clay & has been lying to us - but worse is lying to his Family.

[BarSeries]

[Window12]

On 5/13/2025 at 10:41 PM, alliseeisgold said:

Putin would never let this happen to sadulaev. And I doubt a real Christian family man like sadulaev would even want to partake in this debouchery, but Putin would provide any piece of ass he wanted on a golden platter. Same for yazdani and all the international stars by their government. As long as they win. 

Kyle can't win right now on the mat and hasn't been for awhile.  It all starts right there and may have had a trickle down affect to his sex life. 

I'm not sure we ever see him win again. 

 

 

 

 

I am told by a reliable source Putin asked Saitiev not to stand too close to a window 

[happyvalet]

Minnow saying someone else just wants to appear relevant is too perfect

[scourge165]

11 hours ago, alliseeisgold said:

start with who has been in such a serious situation as snyder within the usa wrestling community ? no one comes to my mind.

Ok...well, that renders the entire comment moot and anything else you have to say just incoherent ranting. 

You say you were proven right but NOBODY else has done anything as serious...so then it'd be stupid to say you were right when he'd be treated better than other people in the same situation, right?

 

Think your posts through. 

11 hours ago, alliseeisgold said:

Theres a zillion college athletes and different sports. Just within D1 college football with 100 kids on a roster, all backgrounds, some from rough neighborhoods, not all the most lawful perfect citizens. How many of those kids are getting arrested for prostitution a year ?? it doesn't really happen. It's extremely rare and hard to get caught unless your straight up trying to by being on stupid sites like backpage. And now the chick was like 60....... This gets you automatically booted from college teams, pro sports players do it on the regular, and yet they never get caught. If they did probably booted as well. The image is worse then the actuality of the crime. I have no idea how long this suspension from safesport is, but I don't see the duration of any serious length of time listed.

This is...utterly incoherent. Uh...yeah, there have been plenty of NFL players caught with hookers(and blow). If you're good, you get another chance.

I'm still at a loss as to how ANY of this relates to how he was treated relative to any other Wrestler, but you seem like you've mostly acknowledged you're just going to phillabuster the hell outta this one and ramble until people say, 'screw it, I don't care.'

 

11 hours ago, alliseeisgold said:

But as it pertains to usawrestling what the hell did downey do  ? punched another male kid in a fight (doesn't sound as bad as prostitution). 

 

You don't seem to live in the real world where you reputation precedes you. If you've got arrests in HS and been kicked off College teamS and are fighting teammmates and THEN get arrested for a domestic violence, and you also just have a general reputation as being an insufferable douche, why would you expect the exact same repercussions?

 

Though, again, he GOT suspended. So it seems like you build these premises based on what YOU think will or did happen, you're proven wrong and you just...go on forever about how life ain't fair because...Pat Downey...

 

11 hours ago, alliseeisgold said:

I saw no bible thumpers of forgiveness then being mustered. only the opposite.  If you can't see that i can't help you. 

I can't speak to what you saw or didn't see ~15 years ago. 

 

And you're right. You can't help me see what you saw or didn't see. Did I ask you to?

[happyvalet]

What was PD3 convicted of, if anything?

[fishbane]

15 minutes ago, happyvalet said:

What was PD3 convicted of, if anything?

He pled guilty to assault 2nd degree in 2011.  His sentence was 6 days in jail and 1.5 years of probation.

[scourge165]

4 hours ago, BuckyBadger said:

You get a lot right here, but I have to take issue with the idea that people are just calling out his faith. They aren’t. 
 

They are calling out the hypocrisy of what he says and preaches to others and how what he does behind closed doors goes completely against it.

If he wasn’t so outspoken about lifestyle, morality, the right path, then I’d be with you.

This is true. That's why I've always laughed...when a Larry Craig or the Religious Advisor to the President was caught with a bunch of male hookers and crack cocaine in a hotel room. 

It adds a level of humor to it. 

 

[BuckyBadger]

5 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

This is true. That's why I've always laughed...when a Larry Craig or the Religious Advisor to the President was caught with a bunch of male hookers and crack cocaine in a hotel room. 

It adds a level of humor to it. 

 

Ted Haggard?

You know what he did after getting caught? A few years later he started another church…with his wife!

Edited Thursday at 07:32 PM by BuckyBadger

[scourge165]

3 minutes ago, BuckyBadger said:

Ted Haggard?

You know what he did after getting caught? A few years later he started another church…with his wife!

That's one, but I thought there was one who was caught red handed and Haggard was more exposed by his favorite little... drug dealer/prostitute. 

But yeah, exactly him. 
 

Larry Craig also. Anyone who is SOO  offended by the idea of gay people getting married, I instantly wonder...'hmm...does that dude like his prostate tickled?'

I really stopped keeping track, there's too much hypocrisy. Though that's everywhere, I find it more obnoxious when you're openly judging others, and in Larry Craig's case, writing laws to stop gay rights(this was a while back) and...you're about as straight as cursive. 

 

It also doesn't need to be sexual. Remember Joel Oseteen who wanted to "live a life of service," but God WANTS you to be rich! And then he wouldn't let all those disgusting dirty people with no place to go into his church as...I mean, he'd JUST gotten new carpet(Which, we all know that Church carpet is SUPER expensive).

[pokemonster]

3 hours ago, BarSeries said:

Looks like he followed that up and said Dundee police will be coming out with something soon. Anyone know what that means?

[happyvalet]

2 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Looks like he followed that up and said Dundee police will be coming out with something soon. Anyone know what that means?

Which one?

• Dundee, Alabama, an unincorporated place
• Dundee, Florida, a town
• Dundee, Indiana, an unincorporated community
• Dundee, Iowa, a city
• Dundee, Kansas, an unincorporated community
• Dundee, Kentucky, an unincorporated community
• Dundee, Michigan, a village
• Dundee, Minnesota, a city
• Dundee, Mississippi, an unincorporated community
• Dundee, Missouri, an unincorporated community
• Dundee, Nebraska, a neighborhood in Omaha, Nebraska
  • Dundee Dell, a bar and restaurant in Omaha
• Dundee, New York, a village
• Dundee, Ohio, a census-designated place
• Dundee, Oklahoma, an unincorporated community
• Dundee, Oregon, a city
• Dundee, Texas, an unincorporated place
• Dundee, Virginia, an unincorporated community
• Dundee, Wisconsin, an unincorporated community
• Dundee Township, Illinois
• Dundee Township, Michigan
• Dundee Township, Walsh County, North Dakota

[cowcards]

57 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Looks like he followed that up and said Dundee police will be coming out with something soon. Anyone know what that means?

 

54 minutes ago, happyvalet said:

Which one?

• Dundee, Alabama, an unincorporated place
• Dundee, Florida, a town
• Dundee, Indiana, an unincorporated community
• Dundee, Iowa, a city
• Dundee, Kansas, an unincorporated community
• Dundee, Kentucky, an unincorporated community
• Dundee, Michigan, a village
• Dundee, Minnesota, a city
• Dundee, Mississippi, an unincorporated community
• Dundee, Missouri, an unincorporated community
• Dundee, Nebraska, a neighborhood in Omaha, Nebraska
  • Dundee Dell, a bar and restaurant in Omaha
• Dundee, New York, a village
• Dundee, Ohio, a census-designated place
• Dundee, Oklahoma, an unincorporated community
• Dundee, Oregon, a city
• Dundee, Texas, an unincorporated place
• Dundee, Virginia, an unincorporated community
• Dundee, Wisconsin, an unincorporated community
• Dundee Township, Illinois
• Dundee Township, Michigan
• Dundee Township, Walsh County, North Dakota

Michigan. The wrestling program was shut down recently due to an investigation into hazing incidents.