Meyer Shapiro Steroids Accusation

[pokemonster]

  On 3/24/2025 at 1:52 AM, ugarles said:

it had to be after the zerban match, since he already knew he was in 5th. it wasn't in response to anything about any of his matches at all. he said it in the closing minutes of a 15 minute post-tournament interview that included discussion of his hospitalization and recovery when he was asked about his future weight class. 

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hmmmm why is everyone jumping to the defense of Kasak then?? why do they think he is the one that needs to be defended against Shapiro's comments?

[pokemonster]

  On 3/24/2025 at 1:23 AM, flyingcement said:

Let's put it this way - to think that you as a fan should be the enforcement mechanism is as pathetic and delusional as it gets.  

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good thing you're here to defend these poor helpless children against the baseless claims that are going to forever ruin their reputation

[flyingcement]

  On 3/24/2025 at 1:56 AM, pokemonster said:

good thing you're here to defend these poor helpless children against the baseless claims that are going to forever ruin their reputation

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it's not about producing an outcome.  it's always about doing what's right

[ugarles]

  On 3/24/2025 at 1:55 AM, pokemonster said:

hmmmm why is everyone jumping to the defense of Kasak then?? why do they think he is the one that needs to be defended against Shapiro's comments?

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not my problem! i'm a cornell guy suggesting that shapiro wasn't whining about his specific loss or casting specific aspersions. i think the kasak accusers and the kasak defenders had pre-existing beliefs that they are happy to have a reason to air out.

[1032004]

Here is Shapiro with the other guy he lost to, so doesn’t appear he was accusing him

 

 

[Dark Energy]

Right.  Folks need to knock it off with the Shapiro is accusing a certain wrestler schtick.  
 

That said, use of PEDs should be discussed and rooted out.

[scourge165]

  On 3/24/2025 at 1:28 AM, flyingcement said:

I don't know.  Probably to save costs.  

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The used to test the NC and top 8 and then in some years it was the NC and then randomly picking from the top 8. 

[1032004]

  On 3/24/2025 at 1:52 AM, ugarles said:

it had to be after the zerban match, since he already knew he was in 5th. it wasn't in response to anything about any of his matches at all. he said it in the closing minutes of a 15 minute post-tournament interview that included discussion of his hospitalization and recovery when he was asked about his future weight class. 

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Fair enough, but although It wasn’t directly in response to anything about his matches, he had literally just been talking about the Kasak match (and how he “didn’t know” what went wrong) immediately before the question about his weight next year 

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[flyingcement]

 

[Eagle26]

  On 3/24/2025 at 12:49 AM, Hammerlock3 said:

yeah but does the family typically have a dramatic physical change in the course of a 9 month period?

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In regards to Haines, he has a teammate at 165 who is the best in the country. He sucked like crazy to get to 157 last year. Knew he couldn’t do that to himself again, didn’t want to wrestle off MM, so the day after NCAAs last year he committed to filling out to 174. Considering how much he was cutting, his genetics, and 9 months of  strength training with the best program in the country, I have no doubt he naturally filled out to 174. 

[1032004]

  On 3/24/2025 at 2:09 AM, flyingcement said:

 

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Who was accused of taking dives or laundering money?

[Mr. PeanutButter]

Oh man. Just checked twitter. The public is absolutely mauling Kasak. The sheer magnitude of it is depressing, really. This is the kind of stuff that can really mess with a young man.

[Leg rider]

When I was in college they definitely did do random NCAA testing. Occasionally we would have a team show up to do tests at the end of one of our practices with a list of names. Though I will say we had one guy on the team that miraculously missed practice every time they were on campus (not PEDs, he was big into weed) and my coach sent me as a "random" substitute so I was probably one of the most tested athletes in D1 as an undersized 125lber who probably would have benefited from PEDs but clearly wasn't on them

[BruceyB]

  On 3/24/2025 at 12:15 AM, wrestle87 said:

Go to 1:25:40 and watch from there, you'll see enough.  

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THAT is what you're talking about as being unacceptable? I would hate to know what you think about Desanto's tactics and Thomas Gilman's backwards slam and extra curriculars with Alan Waters. I don't know a ton about Shapiro, but if that's the worst he's done, that's distasteful at worst. He pulled the arm back like a jerk, but didn't do anything against a joint to injure him. That video did literally nothing to change my current neutral view of him. I'm just not a huge proponent of attacking the character of kids that I've never met.

[jross]

As a 17 year old senior, my in season weekly cut was an easy 180 to 171.  Last day of school I weighed 190.  After working outside in June and accidental fasting, I weighed 167 for a July wrestling tournament.  Within four months of starting college baseball that August. I weighed 195 and was 5.1% body fat.  My diet was all I could eat in the college cafe to fuel workouts.

I had previously cut enough weight to have the sunken cheeks and have a hospital visit.

Adding weight is much simpler than cutting.

So does adding 20 lbs in a year indicate foul play?  Nope, not by itself.

I don’t think the 157 to 174 pounder was taking PEDs… looks natural to me.

He lacks the tell tale signs of roids…

[Hammerlock3]

  On 3/24/2025 at 2:13 AM, Eagle26 said:

In regards to Haines, he has a teammate at 165 who is the best in the country. He sucked like crazy to get to 157 last year. Knew he couldn’t do that to himself again, didn’t want to wrestle off MM, so the day after NCAAs last year he committed to filling out to 174. Considering how much he was cutting, his genetics, and 9 months of  strength training with the best program in the country, I have no doubt he naturally filled out to 174. 

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if you take out the "no doubt" part I can get on board. "I think" is fine.

[jross]

Shapiro has not spent much time in a weight room…

[BruceyB]

  On 3/24/2025 at 12:29 AM, nhs67 said:

Just because he has been through a world of crap doesn't mean he can say whatever baseless things he wants to and get a free pass.

I also took it as sour grapes and sore losing.

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I think the steroids comment was completely unnecessary and feel that a speculative claim was a bad look on him. But based on the immediate hawkeye reaction it sounds like he foolishly said something that is probably (fair or not) rumored around the D1 landscape. It's not a good look, but I'm not going to call him a douchebag and other things that @wrestle87 had to say about him.

[Caveira]

  On 3/24/2025 at 2:24 AM, Hammerlock3 said:

if you take out the "no doubt" part I can get on board. "I think" is fine.

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Weight and adequate muscle are different things.  I cut 20 ish lbs pretty routinely in college but could not imagine competing, let alone high end competing at the top end of d1 +20 lbs.  the strength wouldn’t be there.   

[wrestle87]

  On 3/24/2025 at 2:22 AM, BruceyB said:

THAT is what you're talking about as being unacceptable? I would hate to know what you think about Desanto's tactics and Thomas Gilman's backwards slam and extra curriculars with Alan Waters. I don't know a ton about Shapiro, but if that's the worst he's done, that's distasteful at worst. He pulled the arm back like a jerk, but didn't do anything against a joint to injure him. That video did literally nothing to change my current neutral view of him. I'm just not a huge proponent of attacking the character of kids that I've never met.

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Have you ever wrestled?

The way you conduct yourself in a match says boatloads about your character...

[bnwtwg]

  On 3/23/2025 at 10:24 PM, wrestle87 said:

I just treat him like antonio brown.  Highly talented, but unbelievably predictable, and mentally just on mars.

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To be fair though this could be said about a lot more than just one current or former Cornell wrestler

[gimpeltf]

Over the years I worked ('87-'06) I seem to remember removing two kids from the brackets for drugs. One was a 177 IIRC. I think they randomly tested some and then tested the placers. I also remember they stopped at least some of it- Bob Dellinger telling me something to the effect of the difficulty of getting blood from a stone.

[PortaJohn]

  On 3/24/2025 at 2:31 AM, wrestle87 said:

Have you ever wrestled?

The way you conduct yourself in a match says boatloads about your character...

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Idk wrestle87.  I was curious about what you guys were talking about and watched.  He let go prior to the whistle knowing it was potentially dangerous.  Are you more pointing out the post match antics?  Have only heard great things about Shapiro as a person. He's been a great ambassador for our sport at the international level

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[Eagle26]

  On 3/24/2025 at 2:24 AM, Hammerlock3 said:

if you take out the "no doubt" part I can get on board. "I think" is fine.

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Fair enough. 

  On 3/24/2025 at 2:28 AM, Caveira said:

Weight and adequate muscle are different things.  I cut 20 ish lbs pretty routinely in college but could not imagine competing, let alone high end competing at the top end of d1 +20 lbs.  the strength wouldn’t be there.   

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Yes, I bet Levi weighed over 174 the day he got back from NCAAs last year lol. Doesn’t mean he would’ve done well at 174 that year. BUT, I think he was probably already stronger than most 165lbers last year. And, I do think he probably could put on another 10 lbs of muscles in a year. So he was not quite the biggest strongest guy at 174 like he was at 57, but he filled the weight pretty well. 

[BruceyB]

  On 3/24/2025 at 2:36 AM, PortaJohn said:

Idk wrestle87.  I was curious to what you guys were talking about and watched.  He let go prior to whistle knowing it was potentially dangerous.  Are you more pointing out the post match antics?  Have only heard great things about Shapiro as a person. He's been a great ambassador for out sport at the international level

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Exactly. I'm not even trying to make excuses for Shapiro, I'm just saying that nothing that happened this weekend makes me think he's a "douchebag" or bad kid. I wouldn't have said anything at all if wrestle87 simply said he wasn't a fan. There is a huge area between being a fan and making personal attacks about the kids integrity and character when you've never even met him.