Will we see a high profile/NCAA title threat type guy leave one of the big 3-5 programs to go to a competitor?

[Le duke]

18 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

And Bouzakis apparently?

Man, that would be a punch in the gut for Buck fans. If he doesn't start Friday, is he out?

Getting that few total points out of Mendez, Feldman and Bouzakis seems insane. 

Obviously Mendez is pulling his weight. Feldman is dealing with an all-timer this year, but he's going to be lucky to make the 3rd place match. Seems much more likely to wrestle for 5th-8th. If Davino is the starter, I have to imagine Bouzakis hits the portal unless he thinks Mendez is going up to 149 next year or he thinks he can make 125. The latter seems...doubtful.

[MPhillips]

19 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

And Bouzakis apparently?

I just can't see a place for him next season and he should be wrestling somewhere. Wasn't sure if he fit the criteria.  Kilkeary maybe?

[MPhillips]

22 minutes ago, Le duke said:

If Davino is the starter, I have to imagine Bouzakis hits the portal

Agreed. If Davino goes, he'll be at the B1G's. Bouzakis is rumored to be on his way to PITT, where his brother flipped from OSU.

EDIT: I just can't see 25 next year if he wasn't 25 last year...

Edited yesterday at 01:07 AM by MPhillips

[VakAttack]

3 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

I just can't see a place for him next season and he should be wrestling somewhere. Wasn't sure if he fit the criteria.  Kilkeary maybe?

Could Mendez go up and Bouzakis slot in between Davino and Mendez?

[MPhillips]

7 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Could Mendez go up and Bouzakis slot in between Davino and Mendez?

Makes sense(kinda) for 65kg. It's a fine scenario for everyone to fit. It's how I had it going a year ago but I'm not sure if Mendez goes up yet?

Edited yesterday at 01:14 AM by MPhillips

[Hammerlock3]

38 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Makes sense(kinda) for 65kg. It's a fine scenario for everyone to fit. It's how I had it going a year ago but I'm not sure if Mendez goes up yet?

I don't think Bouzakis' style works at 141.

[MPhillips]

1 minute ago, Hammerlock3 said:

I don't think Bouzakis' style works at 141.

I don't know? 

23/24 season Before Sasso got shot I had this lineup;  Sasso 57, Mendez 49, Bouzakis 41, Gonzalez/Peyton/?? 33, Kilkeary 25...

 

[Hammerlock3]

9 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

I don't know? 

23/24 season Before Sasso got shot I had this lineup;  Sasso 57, Mendez 49, Bouzakis 41, Gonzalez/Peyton/?? 33, Kilkeary 25...

 

what happened to kilkeary?

[MPhillips]

5 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

what happened to kilkeary?

Can't beat McCrone or Bouzakis and here comes Davino...

[scorenomore]

tOSU might have a run on the bank.  Kilkeary, Bouzakis and Welsh.  Welsh is the one that would hurt the most but probably stays put.  Kilkeary and Bouzakis likely out, but not really a loss in points given McCrone and Davino.  Also wonder if Davino could drop to 125 and bump McCrone up.

PSU double booked at 133 Nagao could be on the way out, I can't see Kasak, Facundo, Sealey, Duke and Cunningham all sticking around.  Duke and Cunningham yes, I think Facundo and Sealey have to go, same with Gibson.

30 man roster limit is going to cause some movement which is good for wrestling.  PSU has 38 on the roster, loses 9 to graduation and picks up 6 recruits which means 5 must be cut.

[RawDog]

I'm not sure if Mendez goes up to 149 either.  I thought he looked significantly smaller than vombour. Davino or Bouzakis has to go down to 125. One of them has to be able to do it for year. Suriano did it and won. It can be done. Bouzakis has too much talent to let him walk.

[TexRef]

16 hours ago, Dogbone said:

Ferrari went from OkSt to Iowa for a cup of coffee

Kerk went from OkSt commit to OhSt student to PSU wrestler

Suriano took the long road from PSU to Michigan

Most notable was probably Mocco going from Iowa to OkST.

Since it has happened before NIL, I imagine it will certainly happen again in this new era.

Before Mocco, there was Ray Brinzer. He went the other direction, from Okie State to Iowa. 

[Pinnacle]

Any school that gets anywhere near title contention will have had to double book, so part of their equation will be which among their recruits will transfer. Iowa and Oklahoma will probably make it closer in the next few years, but the portal rumors/actuals will start to effect them as well when that happens. 

[The_KC_Godfather]

Any chance Mendez uses his redshirt next year so that the "Young Bucks" finish together? That leaves 141 open for Bouzakis.

[The_KC_Godfather]

19 hours ago, BruceyB said:

If anything, I think the current NIL system makes athletes less likely to leave the big programs. If you are signing to go to any of the four schools you mentioned, you're already getting a notable NIL pay day for your services. If you're winning (Rocco Welsh) and someone tries to poach you, then your school may just pony up some extra money. If you're a backup transferring to try to get into a starting lineup, the opposing school has the upper hand and you'd likely be getting less from the new school than you were receiving prior. Take the Mirasola's for example, assuming they'd be a package, what big school can afford them and have a clear path for them to both be starters? I think you're more likely to see similar moves the Barraclough going back home for his final year rather than someone flipping early-mid career.

The Mirasola's are an interesting thought. Cole obviously slots into Hwt. next season after Kerkvliet leaves, but does Connor have a place with Barr and Ryder in the mix? My initial thought was that, as a package deal, they would be a great fit for OSU with Plott/Surber/Hendrickson graduating. Connor may have to cut in 2026 with Deshaun Ross coming. but Mirasola/Ross/Mirasola would be a nice upper weight lineup. Brayden Thomspon would have to fit in there somewhere too (imagine if he could make 174?! with Lockett at 165. Murderers Row!).

[VakAttack]

21 minutes ago, The_KC_Godfather said:

The Mirasola's are an interesting thought. Cole obviously slots into Hwt. next season after Kerkvliet leaves, but does Connor have a place with Barr and Ryder in the mix? My initial thought was that, as a package deal, they would be a great fit for OSU with Plott/Surber/Hendrickson graduating. Connor may have to cut in 2026 with Deshaun Ross coming. but Mirasola/Ross/Mirasola would be a nice upper weight lineup. Brayden Thomspon would have to fit in there somewhere too (imagine if he could make 174?! with Lockett at 165. Murderers Row!).

I don't think there's anyway Ross isn't a heavy.

[jchapman]

14 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

I don't think there's anyway Ross isn't a heavy.

Agree.  He's 215 as a junior in high school.

[RandolphTJones]

14 hours ago, scorenomore said:

tOSU might have a run on the bank.  Kilkeary, Bouzakis and Welsh.  Welsh is the one that would hurt the most but probably stays put.  Kilkeary and Bouzakis likely out, but not really a loss in points given McCrone and Davino.  Also wonder if Davino could drop to 125 and bump McCrone up.

PSU double booked at 133 Nagao could be on the way out, I can't see Kasak, Facundo, Sealey, Duke and Cunningham all sticking around.  Duke and Cunningham yes, I think Facundo and Sealey have to go, same with Gibson.

30 man roster limit is going to cause some movement which is good for wrestling.  PSU has 38 on the roster, loses 9 to graduation and picks up 6 recruits which means 5 must be cut.

Could see Shumate leaving also when Geog comes back. He would absolutely help a mid-tier program. 

[wrestlingfan22]

16 hours ago, MPhillips said:

Agreed. If Davino goes, he'll be at the B1G's. Bouzakis is rumored to be on his way to PITT, where his brother flipped from OSU.

EDIT: I just can't see 25 next year if he wasn't 25 last year...

If Nic does transfer out because he wants to stay 133, I think PITT makes the most sense, and if Kilkeary wants to get off the bench he could come back and be a hometown hero...

[nhs67]

1 hour ago, The_KC_Godfather said:

The Mirasola's are an interesting thought. Cole obviously slots into Hwt. next season after Kerkvliet leaves, but does Connor have a place with Barr and Ryder in the mix? My initial thought was that, as a package deal, they would be a great fit for OSU with Plott/Surber/Hendrickson graduating. Connor may have to cut in 2026 with Deshaun Ross coming. but Mirasola/Ross/Mirasola would be a nice upper weight lineup. Brayden Thomspon would have to fit in there somewhere too (imagine if he could make 174?! with Lockett at 165. Murderers Row!).

You're ignoring Merrill(sp).  He will be their 197lber for the next four years (after this).

[BruceyB]

33 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

You're ignoring Merrill(sp).  He will be their 197lber for the next four years (after this).

Yes. The future of 197 / 285 seems to be in place for OKST. I'm also curious how much development Doucet has experienced with a new staff and having Hendrickson as a training partner. He had a sneaky good season last year and could very well AA next year given guys graduating and his own improvement.

[The_KC_Godfather]

On the Mirasola's, I'm not sure they'd fit into any of the "big money" programs for transfer if they stick together. Iowa has Kueter, tOSU has Geog and Feldman, OSU has Merrill, Ross, Thompson.

What other programs would have the money to throw at them to lure them away from PSU?

[Le duke]

On the Mirasola's, I'm not sure they'd fit into any of the "big money" programs for transfer if they stick together. Iowa has Kueter, tOSU has Geog and Feldman, OSU has Merrill, Ross, Thompson.
What other programs would have the money to throw at them to lure them away from PSU?

Money, not sure, but Mizzou could be a good landing spot if it doesn’t work at PSU.


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[Gus]

4 minutes ago, Le duke said:

Money, not sure, but Mizzou could be a good landing spot if it doesn’t work at PSU.


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Maybe UNC with Rob Koll?

[CHROMEBIRD]

When you have programs as stacked as PSU and Iowa, it's just a matter of time before high-level guys get poached with NIL money and the limitations imposed by the forthcoming(?) roster caps. If the five year eligibility rule changes, that'll likely compound things with bigger logjams in lineups & recruiting. And as athletic department money grows tighter with more money funneled to football and basketball, it wouldn't be unreasonable for coaches to rent-a-wrestler just to increase their chances of bringing back some hardware, if only to prove the sport's worth to the AD/GM.

The other side of this that I'd like to see is a non-top 5-10 wrestling program splurging on  a very high profile wrestler to kickstart things. Have we seen that happen before? I don't think that's what CSUB is doing. But I could see programs like MSU, SDSU, UNI, and others rolling the dice on a big name and pulling it off. Or maybe Lehigh fans pooling their NIL money and bringing in a superstar hometown kid.