Perry Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Anyone else think this needs to be made illegal? I didn't like watching Zain do it years ago and I didn't like seeing Dean hit it on Amos at the end of their match tonight. Just seems like an accident waiting to happen to me. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Yes but only when Penn State wrestlers use it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Perry said: Anyone else think this needs to be made illegal? I didn't like watching Zain do it years ago and I didn't like seeing Dean hit it on Amos at the end of their match tonight. Just seems like an accident waiting to happen to me. There is a solution. Go over. Besides I can't recall anyone getting injured in a bow and arrow. 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatWhiteNorth Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, Perry said: Anyone else think this needs to be made illegal? I didn't like watching Zain do it years ago and I didn't like seeing Dean hit it on Amos at the end of their match tonight. Just seems like an accident waiting to happen to me. I don't believe the sport of wrestling needs the bow and arrow. When applied, it is usually overly aggressive and unnecessary against an opponent who has already been beat down. Typically, punishment. Popular opinion or not, I'd like to see it go away. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshuck Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Yes and the banana splits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Participation trophies seem in order. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingphish Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 22 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Participation trophies seem in order. Is this your new thing? If so, laaaaaaaaaaaaame! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorenomore Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 I thought the same thing. In particular there was a moment where dean put his knee between Braxton's back and the knee. There was nothing that could be done except rip his leg apart. This is 100% intentional and should be illegal. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antitroll2828 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 This is the softest wrestling thread in the history of both wrestling and threads 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: There is a solution. Go over. Besides I can't recall anyone getting injured in a bow and arrow. If Ed Ruth put you in a bow and arrow, not letting you "go over," would you be injured or just cry like you were or both? PS: if you want to come down, bet I can arrange some mat time. Edited January 7, 2023 by ionel 2 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 43 minutes ago, wrestlingphish said: Is this your new thing? If so, laaaaaaaaaaaaame! Sarcasm is my second love. Behind behind bow and arrows. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCMO2 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 I've seen guys who could just about break your ribs with a tight waist, that doesn't make it illegal. Bow and arrow is a tough move, but the refs can stop it any time they believe it becomes dangerous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 This forum (I include TheMat) can be a very schizophrenic. There have been multiple threads complaining that stalling on top needs to be called more because too often the top man is not attempting to turn. But now we have a thread complaining that a turning move should be against the rules. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: This forum (I include TheMat) can be a very schizophrenic. There have been multiple threads complaining that stalling on top needs to be called more because too often the top man is not attempting to turn. But now we have a thread complaining that a turning move should be against the rules. Yes...a full nelson would be a turning move...and it's illegal. So we've clearly decided simply attempting to turn a guy in and of itself doesn't make a move legal. 4 hours ago, scorenomore said: I thought the same thing. In particular there was a moment where dean put his knee between Braxton's back and the knee. There was nothing that could be done except rip his leg apart. This is 100% intentional and should be illegal. This...and it was after Amos gave up 2 when his knee just buckled...so it was that same knee(didn't look serious)...but I see both sides to it. It's really not a technique, it's almost more like a submission. I don't think Amos could have put his shoulders down(which is an old coaches comment...if it hurts too bad or you can't breath, put your shoulders down). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle26 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 I agree it should be illegal and it already is in HS. I don’t think this is being soft, it is protecting the integrity of the sport. It is essentially a submission because to get the move to work, you have to get your opponent to succumb to the pain first and then you just tip him over. If you have done this move to others or had it done to you, you know what I mean. I’ve seen some nasty power halves too, but I’m not advocating for that to be illegal because you are using leverage to try to turn him and it hurts when you fight it. This is where you can say, if it hurts too bad, just go over. Sometimes a power half is applied when the bottom guy is not in position to be turned and then it is just punishing the guy. That’s usually when the ref calls potentially dangerous. That’s fine, but I don’t like leaving the bow and arrow up for interpretation because the bottom guy is almost never in a position to be turned and it is not the move itself that gets the guy to turn, it is the act of submission that gets him to turn. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingphish Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: This forum (I include TheMat) can be a very schizophrenic. There have been multiple threads complaining that stalling on top needs to be called more because too often the top man is not attempting to turn. But now we have a thread complaining that a turning move should be against the rules. It's almost like it's not a monolithic entity and instead consists of individuals with different a backgrounds, experiences, and opinions. F*ckin WILD man. Edited January 7, 2023 by wrestlingphish 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 4 hours ago, scourge165 said: Yes...a full nelson would be a turning move...and it's illegal. So we've clearly decided simply attempting to turn a guy in and of itself doesn't make a move legal. This...and it was after Amos gave up 2 when his knee just buckled...so it was that same knee(didn't look serious)...but I see both sides to it. It's really not a technique, it's almost more like a submission. I don't think Amos could have put his shoulders down(which is an old coaches comment...if it hurts too bad or you can't breath, put your shoulders down). Your logic is circular. A full nelson is a turning move and is illegal. A bow and arrow is a turning move and is not illegal. Therefore, they are not comparable turning moves. Why is a full nelson illegal? Was it legal at one time, but now is legal? Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaldAt23 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 The bow and arrow should definitely be illegal. Great thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Energy Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 It is illegal in HS. I kinda wince each time I see it applied in College. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82bordeaux Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Dark Energy said: It is illegal in HS. I kinda wince each time I see it applied in College. Jacob??? Is that you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dark Energy said: It is illegal in HS. I kinda wince each time I see it applied in College. Agreed. I think it should be illegal. We stop arm bars not properly applied and there is much force applied on the bow and arrow than an improper arm bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Gus said: Agreed. I think it should be illegal. We stop arm bars not properly applied and there is much force applied on the bow and arrow than an improper arm bar. and why did Gable pin so many but no one does today? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 minute ago, ionel said: and why did Gable pin so many but no one does today? Video games and participation medals killed off all the wolves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 10 hours ago, Antitroll2828 said: This is the softest wrestling thread in the history of both wrestling and threads And history… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 the bow and arrow is totally legal in free all ages... up until a couple of years ago it was illegal for only the little kids... schoolboy and down... never seen anything other than a kid acting hurt because he just lost... that is not to say it is not uncomfortable... last year i stopped a bow and arrow in a cadet match because it was applied to a kid who had no idea how to wrestle and that poor kid turned against it and i did not want to see his knee get ripped apart... a former world team member coach and his former high level wrestling wife both jumped all over me saying how it is not illegal... why did you stop it... blah blah blah... i explained to them both i knew it was perfectly legal and their kid did nothing wrong... but the other poor kid had no clue how to wrestle and i did not want him getting hurt just because he didn't know anything... i felt the same way reading this thread... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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