0-1 Yianni still ranked #1, Gomez ranked #2 on Intermat

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

As of 11/22/22

 

[Pish]

As it should be..If Gomez didn't take the loss to Johnson..then Gomez would have been 1

[Jax]

IMO I could go either way with it.  Gomez beating both Yanni and Sasso should make him #1, despite the loss to Paniro.  However I have no issue with Yanni staying #1 since his only loss was to Gomez.  I don't know if either will lose again all year so it should come down to their quality wins for seeding.

[nhs67]

7 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

As of 11/22/22

 

Pay your debts.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

10 minutes ago, Jax said:

IMO I could go either way with it.  Gomez beating both Yanni and Sasso should make him #1, despite the loss to Paniro.  However I have no issue with Yanni staying #1 since his only loss was to Gomez.  I don't know if either will lose again all year so it should come down to their quality wins for seeding.

Say Yianni takes a second loss, but so does Gomez.  Does the H2H win (a dominant one at that) of Gomez over Yianni mean anything?

 

Does a 2 loss Yianni get the #1 over a one 1 loss Gomez assuming they finished the regular season this way?

[Wrestej]

Ya I think this is wrong.  He might be the best at 149 but you can’t hold the #1 spot when you have more losses than wins.

[MadTwrecks]

Let’s go Gomez! 

[mspart]

Yianni didn't lose a close one with this.   It was 9-3 if I remember and he was owned during that match.  IMHO, you don't remain #1 when you lose 9-3 to someone.   Maybe if he lost 5-4 or some other close score, but this wasn't close.  Gomez took it to him and now everyone knows Yianni is vulnerable.  Like everyone else.

mspart

[Jax]

I feel like people saying that Yanni got dominated and therefore can't be the #1 guy since he lost 9-3 forget that Gomez lost 9-4 to Paniro Johnson.  At least the guy who beat Yannis is currently considered better than the guy who beat Gomez.  Like I said... I can go either way with it.  I like watching both of them and Yanni is a class act.

[BAC]

How is this even debatable?  Both guys have one loss, but Yianni's is more recent and Gomez one the head-to-head, so he's ahead. 

[mspart]

If you are 0-1, and your loss is not slim, then it seems to me that being #1 is out of the question.   But these things have a way of working themselves out.   If Yianni is truly #1, which I have no doubt about, he'll be so rated in not much time.   But how can you be rated #1 with one loss, no wins, and the loss was not trivial.   The strength of the past 3 seasons?  I was especially impressed with Yianni's fortitude to win his first national championship on a torn ACL.   True grit.   But that was then.   If he still has that grit, this loss will inspire him. 

mspart

[VakAttack]

You guys are acting like the only data point we have is Gomez beating Yianni.  Rankings are not precluded from taking into account prior season's results.

[mspart]

That's where they start for sure.   But once the new season starts, current results should have more weight, don't you think?  If not, what would it take to get Yianni to not be rated #1?   2 big losses?   3?  4?.    Because he is a 3 time champion, does that trump current results?   Once the season starts, last season is last season - in the past. 

That's all.

mspart

 

[MPhillips]

1 hour ago, VakAttack said:

You guys are acting like the only data point we have is Gomez beating Yianni.  Rankings are not precluded from taking into account prior season's results.

YAHTZEE!

[Idaho]

18 minutes ago, mspart said:

That's where they start for sure.   But once the new season starts, current results should have more weight, don't you think?  If not, what would it take to get Yianni to not be rated #1?   2 big losses?   3?  4?.    Because he is a 3 time champion, does that trump current results?   Once the season starts, last season is last season - in the past. 

That's all.

mspart

 

I agree...but if we were to seed the NCAA tournament right now, the all-star matches would not factor into the equation. Ratings....Rankings....Seeding... 

[MPhillips]

4 minutes ago, Idaho said:

I agree...but if we were to seed the NCAA tournament right now, the all-star matches would not factor into the equation. Ratings....Rankings....Seeding... 

So, Warner seeded ahead of Elam and Cass seeded ahead of Kerk?

[Fadzaev2]

1 hour ago, MPhillips said:

So, Warner seeded ahead of Elam and Cass seeded ahead of Kerk?

Cass and Kerk will meet maybe a couple of times before NCAA's, not sure about Elam/Warner.

[flyingcement]

149 has been crazy.  I feel very uncertain about these predictions, because a lot can change, and a lot will depend on matchups, but roughly project these as AA:

1. John Diakomihalis

2. Austin Gomez

3. Sammy Sasso

4. Caleb Henson

5. Jon Millner

6. Doug Zapf

7. Kyle Parco

8. Paniro Johnson

[MPhillips]

40 minutes ago, Fadzaev2 said:

Cass and Kerk will meet maybe a couple of times before NCAA's, 

Well that seems like an obvious point now that I read it.

[H82Lose]

14 hours ago, flyingcement said:

149 has been crazy.  I feel very uncertain about these predictions, because a lot can change, and a lot will depend on matchups, but roughly project these as AA:

1. John Diakomihalis

2. Austin Gomez

3. Sammy Sasso

4. Caleb Henson

5. Jon Millner

6. Doug Zapf

7. Kyle Parco

8. Paniro Johnson

Why? Millner has done nothing but win. He just won the Keystone, beat the Penn kid who beat Henson. Millner is a 2xAA and only getting better. We can take some wagers when NCAA's roll around. Millner is tough as hell, and will be a problem if he can stay healthy. Parco is better than Zapf IMO

[1032004]

3 hours ago, Justin Acklin said:

Why? Millner has done nothing but win. He just won the Keystone, beat the Penn kid who beat Henson. Millner is a 2xAA and only getting better. We can take some wagers when NCAA's roll around. Millner is tough as hell, and will be a problem if he can stay healthy. Parco is better than Zapf IMO

Yeah I think I’d definitely put Millner over Henson (although to be fair seems those were predictions not rankings).

I’m OK with Yianni staying #1 due to Gomez losing. 

 

[ionel]

6 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

 

I’m OK with Yianni staying #1 due to Gomez losing. 

 

But didn't Yianni lose also? 

[1032004]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

But didn't Yianni lose also? 

Yes but usually when you have round Robin losses like that they kinda get thrown out and you go back to the starting point, which was Yianni #1

[ionel]

9 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Yes but usually when you have round Robin losses like that they kinda get thrown out and you go back to the starting point, which was Yianni #1

Yianni beat Johnson?  I missed that.

[1032004]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

Yianni beat Johnson?  I missed that.

Sorry, was thinking Johnson lost too (although I know still wouldn’t be round robin losses).  So are you saying you think Johnson should be #1?