9/11 Conspiracies

[Husker_Du]

I've never really gotten in to the 9/11 conspiracies but today there is a ton of interesting stuff being posted. makes ya think.

 

[mspart]

None of it makes me think.   Very bad people were in the US and had a plan to do this.   And they did it as part of a jihad they had in mind.  The final leg of their triumph was stymied by courageous people aboard the last flight.   We can continually thank our lucky stars for those people and their sacrifice.

I remember the day clearly.   I was awakened by a phone call of a co worker saying they heard something was going on in NYC but they didn't have access to any news.   Could I check it out?  So I was at home ( I had just moved to Hawaii), he went to work a little early, I was just about to get up to get ready to head in, so I turned on the TV and was both horrified at what I saw and fascinated.   I told him and he couldn't believe it either.   That was a surreal and crazy day.   I watched as people jumped from the buildings.   I watched the 2nd airliner go in.   I watched both towers fall.  

mspart

[Husker_Du]

so because you watched it you refuse to consider physics?

[flyingcement]

On my whatsapp group among my friends, this conversation seems to take place almost every year.

Person A, conspiracy theorist: posts videos and articles showing the possibility of inside job

Person B (a west point graduate, army ranger, with two purple hearts earned through two different tours in Afghanistan): It would take a lot of coordination and cover up over various decades to pull this off and none of this was evident in any of my dealings with those in Afghanistan or the upper echelons of our own military our our allies

[flyingcement]

I think its like a lot of conspiracy theories: its definitely possible, but also definitely not plausible 

[mspart]

12 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

so because you watched it you refuse to consider physics?

What physics do you speak of?

mspart

[Husker_Du]

the time and uniformity of the fall of building 7.

(allegedly) couldn't happen without the use of explosives. 

there are a bunch of different specific cases of things not being physically possible from planes alone. 

 

[ionel]

29 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

On my whatsapp group among my friends,

Say it ain't so bro!  This is indeed a bad day. 

[flyingcement]

Just now, ionel said:

Say it ain't so bro!  This is indeed a bad day. 

lol I meant to say high school friends.  Bob wont make an exception for the 15 minute rule though I have applied

[ionel]

1 minute ago, flyingcement said:

lol I meant to say high school friends.  Bob wont make an exception for the 15 minute rule though I have applied

I feel better now but we should de-friend Bob. 

[Ban Basketball]

Given the nonsense that's coming out of the 30 percenters today,  9-11 conspiracies are almost rationale,  by comparison. 

Goes to show what happens when responsible people keep quiet or are in fear of exposing nonsense. 

[WrestlingRasta]

There are people with 20/20 goggles that like to go back and play with video and make statements that gain attention and clicks. 
 

Then there are people who were actually inside the buildings, doing what they had to do to get out, and tell their stories of how they physically watched the integrity of the building deteriorate. Watched cracks begin and form in the walls. Watch metal start to bend. 
 

Everyone has the freedom to believe, and push, whatever statements they want. Right or wrong. 

Edited September 12, 2023 by WrestlingRasta

[Husker_Du]

sure.

but there are also a lot of people who were also there, including FDNY, they not only describe, but flat out say 'controlled demolition'.

when the FDNY say that, it's eye opening. at least makes me think about it. 

it's in the vid i included. 

building 7 wasn't even hit by anything. and it dropped. uniformly. 

[Bigbrog]

I think that there just wasn't a precedence set to truly understand what would happen to a skyscraper when a fully fueled 737 (or whatever kind of jet it was) flies into it...which means people will hear and see things they never have before...and subsequently causes people to question things....which then causes conspiracy theories.  

It is a tragedy....period!!  Wish 9/11 was a national holiday where Americans spent the day honoring all those that lost their life's, and not forgetting that there are very bad people out there intent on hurting us out of pure ideology and hate.

Edited September 12, 2023 by Bigbrog

[jross]

9/11 imprinted my mind.  I remember what I was doing, how old I was, what time it was, and how it made me feel.  I trusted the government.  After seeing the lies about election interference, Trump, Biden, the Covid agenda, and more... it is best to ask questions to validate the narrative shared publicly, including 9/11.

Please take a look at this quotation below.  It relates to Operation Northwoods, where in the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Quote

"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

 

The idea of US government corruption seemed insane to me in my ignorance.  But I've worked in corporate for 20 years and have seen the 48 laws of Power enacted on a smaller scale.  Are we the bad guys?

[BobDole]

14 hours ago, flyingcement said:

lol I meant to say high school friends.  Bob wont make an exception for the 15 minute rule though I have applied

No exceptions! Not even you!

[Wrestleknownothing]

3 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

sure.

but there are also a lot of people who were also there, including FDNY, they not only describe, but flat out say 'controlled demolition'.

when the FDNY say that, it's eye opening. at least makes me think about it. 

it's in the vid i included. 

building 7 wasn't even hit by anything. and it dropped. uniformly. 

I watched the second plane hit live on TV. What is you theory for how that happened? The news media (multiple companies, no less) was in on the hoax, provided with advance footage to play as if live, agreed to do that and agreed to cover it up, and basically agreed to surpass a much bigger story (the government kills its own people), and ensured that they would never have a disgruntled employee ever reveal the hoax? 

This stuff is so dumb, I can't believe I even responded.

[Offthemat]

9/11: A MEMORIAL TO FBI FAILURE

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/09/9-11-a-memorial-to-fbi-failure.php

The struggle against FBI failure is the struggle of memory against forgetting.

[ionel]

24 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I watched the second plane hit live on TV. What is you theory for how that happened? The news media (multiple companies, no less) was in on the hoax, provided with advance footage to play as if live, agreed to do that and agreed to cover it up, and basically agreed to surpass a much bigger story (the government kills its own people), and ensured that they would never have a disgruntled employee ever reveal the hoax? 

This stuff is so dumb, I can't believe I even responded.

Well ... I watched the moon landing live (well there was that transmission delay) on TV, just think how much harder that was to fake.  

[Ban Basketball]

Wow, yet given what the 30 percenters will buy into today,  as I said,  this is actually rational. 

[Plasmodium]

1 minute ago, Ban Basketball said:

Wow, yet given what the 30 percenters will buy into today,  as I said,  this is actually rational. 

This is spot on.

[Offthemat]

I’ve heard some crazy explanations about the physics of the attack.  Someone said it was unheard of that fire could melt steel.  Not a blacksmith, obviously.  One of the videos said the plane’s aluminum couldn’t pierce the concrete and steel building.  Aluminum’s selling point has long been that, pound for pound, it’s stronger than steel; obviously the narrator has never seen straws and such embedded in telephone poles and trees after a tornado or hurricane. 
 

As for the controlled demolition, it’s not hard to imagine the weight of the intact floors above the floor that is weakening due to heat, dropping one floor at a time as each one fails, to resemble controlled demolition.  

[nhs67]

I had someone send this to me yesterday.  It made me laugh my ass off... in any case he said he had been holding on to this for twenty years:

"Not from any corporation or 501.c3 (sorry AE911 Truth, you have failed to file a case against NIST or any agency of the federal government for their lying and deception, despite all those MILLIONS you have raked in), not from any shill proclaiming himself "The King of 9/11” (yes, Bill Hicks, you ARE the King of it, in the form of disinformation and NEVER giving your massive following the REAL truth, but instead deflecting it, like when Jesse Ventura came on your show and you promptly changed the subject when he tried doling it out to your listeners), and not a person working for the CIA to slander anyone trying to put out the REAL TRUTH about 9/11 (“conspiracy theorists”, “space beams”, etc., etc.)...

So, here it is, my top 5 key findings to make all those CLOWNS, CRETINS, and DREGS noted above burn forever for their misdeeds by exposing them for the despicable scum they are.  I summarize here the top 5 key facts from Sept. 11, 2001 that prove, for me, that some new tech – DEW – was used that day and is one of the key reasons very few understood what happened.

First off, there’s the size of the rubble pile.  When you look at all the pieces that were put together to construct those buildings, more than a million tons of debris would have had to hit the ground, regardless of whatever bogus theory / explanation we are fed.  That clearly did not happen.  No picture or video, from any angle, shows that much material at ground zero.  It simply wasn’t there.  Also, the seismic signature of an impact created from such quick collapses (both 110 story towers in a mere 10 seconds!) would have been recognizable and recorded.  The seismic data from multiple sources show nothing that can account for that much material at ground zero, whereas recorded data of actual observed events, like the Seattle Superdome, show much bigger seismic impacts.

Second, none of the so-called theories ever seem to discuss or remember all the survivors right in the midst of the rubble, like the 16 firefighters trapped in stairwell B of WTC1 including Mickey Kross and Jay Jonas.  14 of the 16 walked out of the stairwell on their own power, not crushed by debris or burnt by explosives and fire.  Again…more than one million tons of material coming down on their heads?  Impossible.

Third, these WTC complex survivors would not and could not have survived if this were an incendiary event involving any of the kinds of explosives that the alternative theories put forth, or obviously the jet fuel of the ridiculous “official” account (“Magic Bullet Theory” anyone?).  And even planned demolition using pre-wired explosives would have produced a tremendous amount of smoke that likely would have killed all the survivors from smoke inhalation…but it didn’t, because we didn’t see smoke on Sept. 11, 2001.  We saw DUST.  Massive amounts of dust that hung for days.

Fourth, there was the obvious pre-planned controlled media response, immediately switching the focus on the actual day of the event from the hard facts of observable physical evidence at ground zero to wild and ridiculous speculations of WHO did it.  Of course ALL the news anchors, to a person, already had the answer (Can we all chant together CONTROLLED MEDIA?) – OBL, aka Tim Osman, CIA asset at one point.  How could they possibly have known that name, even to speculate, the very day of the event?  The answer is they needed this piece of the puzzle to throw to the rapid public in order for the massive psyop to work.  Delay too long and the public will find its own answers…and possibly the correct ones.  So, we were fed “OBL did it” ad nauseam not just for days, months or even weeks…but YEARS.

Lastly, for this abbreviated list, if there actually HAD been any publicized investigation and treatment of ground zero as the legitimate crime scene that it was, a sampling of odd discoveries, also not explainable by ANY of the theories proposed by any source, would have been found:
-        3,000 toilets simply vanished
-        1,400 cars in and around WTC (some not anywhere close to ground zero) were burnt in odd ways with paper, trees and other combustibles unharmed
-        Only a single file cabinet from both towers recovered
-        Fused dissimilar materials
-        Levitation effects (numerous cars flipped on their tops)
-        Pieces of the massive support beams twisted and distorted with no signs of high heat

And this is just a sampling of all the scientific findings from the event…never or only very briefly discussed by the mainstream or any of the bogus alternative news outlets.

Even just this short list of hard facts and evidence support the ONLY plausible scientific explanation: Some sort of new technology, completely unknown to the general public, and best described as a Directed Energy Weapon (DEW), which is the precise language that fits.  Notice there’s no claims about exactly what KIND of weapon it is.  How could anyone but the perps possibly know that?!  Instead, agents and shills attempt to derail the conversation using CIA-speak “SPACE BEAMS” and name-call the only people getting close to the Truth as kooks, conspiracy theorists, and nut jobs.  Voila!  Problem solved for the insiders who conducted the atrocity – “Don’t worry, it was OBL who we dumped into the ocean after killing him.” – the most ridiculous (paraphrased) statement Barry Sortoro was ever forced to read from a teleprompter during his entire presidency.

The hubris they exhibited on this event and in the ensuing cover-up is absolutely incredible.  But I mean why not be so bold?!  They got away with Pearl Harbor.  They got away with the 2nd 30-Years War of the combined WWI and WWII, taking pictures and filming all along the way to capture it for their perverse and twisted entertainment.  They got away with the faked moon landing.  They even got away with murdering JFK in broad daylight in Dealey Plaza.  So, why not give the most ridiculous excuses to explain the elimination of a massive asbestos insurance claim while demonstrating to the leaders around the rest of the world: “We will murder nearly 3,000 of our own citizens to make a point.  Guess what we will do to your country, should you not tow the line?”
There is some good news in all this madness though: this demonstrates that Tesla’s work was 100% correct in its ramifications for free energy and that the technology does exist to make that possible, if only criminal, selfish thugs didn’t militarize and hoard it for their tiny cabal.  Only the BEST weapons tech for Romerica – the Sword Arm of Rome.  So interesting how they literally flaunt it in our faces both in real life, using 9/11, and more recently using Captain America and Hydra.  Maybe, just maybe, that hubris will be a part of their downfall.  We can only hope."

Edited September 12, 2023 by nhs67

[Offthemat]

15 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

I had someone send this to me yesterday.  It made me laugh my ass off... in any case he said he had been holding on to this for twenty years:

"Not from any corporation or 501.c3 (sorry AE911 Truth, you have failed to file a case against NIST or any agency of the federal government for their lying and deception, despite all those MILLIONS you have raked in), not from any shill proclaiming himself "The King of 9/11” (yes, Bill Hicks, you ARE the King of it, in the form of disinformation and NEVER giving your massive following the REAL truth, but instead deflecting it, like when Jesse Ventura came on your show and you promptly changed the subject when he tried doling it out to your listeners), and not a person working for the CIA to slander anyone trying to put out the REAL TRUTH about 9/11 (“conspiracy theorists”, “space beams”, etc., etc.)...

So, here it is, my top 5 key findings to make all those CLOWNS, CRETINS, and DREGS noted above burn forever for their misdeeds by exposing them for the despicable scum they are.  I summarize here the top 5 key facts from Sept. 11, 2001 that prove, for me, that some new tech – DEW – was used that day and is one of the key reasons very few understood what happened.

First off, there’s the size of the rubble pile.  When you look at all the pieces that were put together to construct those buildings, more than a million tons of debris would have had to hit the ground, regardless of whatever bogus theory / explanation we are fed.  That clearly did not happen.  No picture or video, from any angle, shows that much material at ground zero.  It simply wasn’t there.  Also, the seismic signature of an impact created from such quick collapses (both 110 story towers in a mere 10 seconds!) would have been recognizable and recorded.  The seismic data from multiple sources show nothing that can account for that much material at ground zero, whereas recorded data of actual observed events, like the Seattle Superdome, show much bigger seismic impacts.

Second, none of the so-called theories ever seem to discuss or remember all the survivors right in the midst of the rubble, like the 16 firefighters trapped in stairwell B of WTC1 including Mickey Kross and Jay Jonas.  14 of the 16 walked out of the stairwell on their own power, not crushed by debris or burnt by explosives and fire.  Again…more than one million tons of material coming down on their heads?  Impossible.

Third, these WTC complex survivors would not and could not have survived if this were an incendiary event involving any of the kinds of explosives that the alternative theories put forth, or obviously the jet fuel of the ridiculous “official” account (“Magic Bullet Theory” anyone?).  And even planned demolition using pre-wired explosives would have produced a tremendous amount of smoke that likely would have killed all the survivors from smoke inhalation…but it didn’t, because we didn’t see smoke on Sept. 11, 2001.  We saw DUST.  Massive amounts of dust that hung for days.

Fourth, there was the obvious pre-planned controlled media response, immediately switching the focus on the actual day of the event from the hard facts of observable physical evidence at ground zero to wild and ridiculous speculations of WHO did it.  Of course ALL the news anchors, to a person, already had the answer (Can we all chant together CONTROLLED MEDIA?) – OBL, aka Tim Osman, CIA asset at one point.  How could they possibly have known that name, even to speculate, the very day of the event?  The answer is they needed this piece of the puzzle to throw to the rapid public in order for the massive psyop to work.  Delay too long and the public will find its own answers…and possibly the correct ones.  So, we were fed “OBL did it” ad nauseam not just for days, months or even weeks…but YEARS.

Lastly, for this abbreviated list, if there actually HAD been any publicized investigation and treatment of ground zero as the legitimate crime scene that it was, a sampling of odd discoveries, also not explainable by ANY of the theories proposed by any source, would have been found:
-        3,000 toilets simply vanished
-        1,400 cars in and around WTC (some not anywhere close to ground zero) were burnt in odd ways with paper, trees and other combustibles unharmed
-        Only a single file cabinet from both towers recovered
-        Fused dissimilar materials
-        Levitation effects (numerous cars flipped on their tops)
-        Pieces of the massive support beams twisted and distorted with no signs of high heat

And this is just a sampling of all the scientific findings from the event…never or only very briefly discussed by the mainstream or any of the bogus alternative news outlets.

Even just this short list of hard facts and evidence support the ONLY plausible scientific explanation: Some sort of new technology, completely unknown to the general public, and best described as a Directed Energy Weapon (DEW), which is the precise language that fits.  Notice there’s no claims about exactly what KIND of weapon it is.  How could anyone but the perps possibly know that?!  Instead, agents and shills attempt to derail the conversation using CIA-speak “SPACE BEAMS” and name-call the only people getting close to the Truth as kooks, conspiracy theorists, and nut jobs.  Voila!  Problem solved for the insiders who conducted the atrocity – “Don’t worry, it was OBL who we dumped into the ocean after killing him.” – the most ridiculous (paraphrased) statement Barry Sortoro was ever forced to read from a teleprompter during his entire presidency.

The hubris they exhibited on this event and in the ensuing cover-up is absolutely incredible.  But I mean why not be so bold?!  They got away with Pearl Harbor.  They got away with the 2nd 30-Years War of the combined WWI and WWII, taking pictures and filming all along the way to capture it for their perverse and twisted entertainment.  They got away with the faked moon landing.  They even got away with murdering JFK in broad daylight in Dealey Plaza.  So, why not give the most ridiculous excuses to explain the elimination of a massive asbestos insurance claim while demonstrating to the leaders around the rest of the world: “We will murder nearly 3,000 of our own citizens to make a point.  Guess what we will do to your country, should you not tow the line?”
There is some good news in all this madness though: this demonstrates that Tesla’s work was 100% correct in its ramifications for free energy and that the technology does exist to make that possible, if only criminal, selfish thugs didn’t militarize and hoard it for their tiny cabal.  Only the BEST weapons tech for Romerica – the Sword Arm of Rome.  So interesting how they literally flaunt it in our faces both in real life, using 9/11, and more recently using Captain America and Hydra.  Maybe, just maybe, that hubris will be a part of their downfall.  We can only hope."

Did this fella mention anything about wanting to rid the world of the sport where the players dribble before they shoot?

[nhs67]

5 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Did this fella mention anything about wanting to rid the world of the sport where the players dribble before they shoot?

He also wishes for that to be true.  Can confirm.