Hammerlock3 Posted September 12 Posted September 12 16 minutes ago, Ricketycricket said: The 2nd win was at Big Tens. Brands sat Lee against Northwestern in the dual, which was weak. He also beat Gross, RBY, and Vito. thanks "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
jchapman Posted September 13 Posted September 13 12 hours ago, bnwtwg said: Until someone who didn't win an NCAA championship finishes with more world championships than Trent Hidlay, I believe this discussion is closed. The topic should be shifted to "second-best to never win an NCAA championship." And the answer to that is either Tyler Caldwell or Mike Poeta. John Peterson won Olympic Gold and Silver. 3 Craig Henning got screwed in the 2007 NCAA Finals.
gimpeltf Posted September 13 Posted September 13 3 hours ago, jchapman said: John Peterson won Olympic Gold and Silver. He was NAIA and placed 5th there as a senior. 1
BuckyBadger Posted September 13 Posted September 13 Already mentioned here but Bryan Snyder, Tyrone Lewis, John Trenge immediately come to mind. Mike Poeta is up there. 1
bnwtwg Posted September 13 Posted September 13 (edited) 16 hours ago, jchapman said: John Peterson won Olympic Gold and Silver. 12 hours ago, gimpeltf said: He was NAIA and placed 5th there as a senior. Is it fair to say that "NCAA" wrestling only entered the modern era relatively recently? If the answer *is no then I wholeheartedly agree with you - we all teach his namesake roll! Edited September 13 by bnwtwg autocorrect i am an idiot on the internet
BAC Posted September 13 Posted September 13 On 9/12/2026 at 10:41 AM, bnwtwg said: Until someone who didn't win an NCAA championship finishes with more world championships than Trent Hidlay, I believe this discussion is closed. The topic should be shifted to "second-best to never win an NCAA championship." And the answer to that is either Tyler Caldwell or Mike Poeta. A fun Trent Hidlay game is, "how would he have fared if Aaron Brooks didn't exist?" Hidlay lost at NCAAs to Brooks 2x in the finals and 2x in the semifinals. 1
MPhillips Posted September 13 Posted September 13 11 minutes ago, BAC said: "how would he have fared if Aaron Brooks didn't exist?" I'd pick him against Amine and/or Keckeisen at this moment. .
bnwtwg Posted September 13 Posted September 13 7 minutes ago, MPhillips said: I'd pick him against Amine and/or Keckeisen at this moment. Anyone would pick him against retired Amine. Are you saying peak? Because weight classes and brightest of bright lights? Keck had his number in folk multiple times, and free Keck is rounding out nicely albeit at 86 and can only assume Keck stays down while Hidlay moves up for 2028. Hot take is that Hidlay is the 3rd best 92 domestically. Brooks the multiple time cheater, Zahid, Hidlay. Keck is a strong maybe. Maybe we should treat our upper weights that don't even have a parallel college weight with respect. I will now shut up. i am an idiot on the internet
bnwtwg Posted September 13 Posted September 13 29 minutes ago, BAC said: A fun Trent Hidlay game is, "how would he have fared if Aaron Brooks didn't exist?" Hidlay lost at NCAAs to Brooks 2x in the finals and 2x in the semifinals. A fun Aaron Brooks game is "how would he have fared if he didn't get popped twice?" i am an idiot on the internet
MPhillips Posted September 13 Posted September 13 Didn't Amine wrestle Brooks in the final in '22' after Brooks beat Hidlay in the semi? .
bnwtwg Posted September 13 Posted September 13 4 minutes ago, MPhillips said: Didn't Amine wrestle Brooks in the final in '22' after Brooks beat Hidlay in the semi? You're right and I'm in the wrong forum. Amine took one match, but not when it mattered most. Of course, that was 19 months before Brooks first officially announced drug test. i am an idiot on the internet
gimpeltf Posted September 13 Posted September 13 1 hour ago, bnwtwg said: Is it fair to say that "NCAA" wrestling only entered the modern era relatively recently? If the answer *is no then I wholeheartedly agree with you - we all teach his namesake roll! 1st NCAAs 1928. Ben (~2 years younger brother) was a 2x NCAA champ graduating only a year earlier than John. It might have been named after Ben but he learned from John Lampe (Iowa St teammate)
MPhillips Posted September 13 Posted September 13 28 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: You're right and I'm in the wrong forum. .
MoveCountermove Posted September 13 Posted September 13 Myles Amine or Stevan Micic from the annals of Michigan wrestling (and perhaps just solid picks in general). Digging deep, how about Gerry Abas? Thomas Gilman?
Hammerlock3 Posted September 13 Posted September 13 Ferrari is the person whom I most wish was on this list... "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
trojanhorse Posted September 14 Posted September 14 What about Joe McFarland. 4x AA, 2 time finalist. Internationally has accolades and wrestled against the Soviet Union, which would had been a tougher task 1
kschlosser Posted September 14 Posted September 14 John Fisher should be in the Michigan discussion. Last American to beat Tom Brands and John Smith 1
ionel Posted September 14 Posted September 14 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: Ferrari is the person whom I most wish was on this list... Can't argue with that but ya gotta admit - fastest national champ in NCAA history. 140 mph true Fr shooting star one time NC! He's in a category all by himself - in multiple ways. Edited September 14 by ionel .
PortaJohn Posted September 14 Posted September 14 On 9/11/2026 at 9:09 PM, gimpeltf said: For Lehigh- Trenge mentioned earlier. His best year to win might have been his freshman year when he had the retinal injury and he had beaten both finalists. His best year to win it was his Jr year with 11 seconds to go On 9/12/2026 at 12:04 PM, Hammerlock3 said: I ran into Trenge a few years ago....he was a lot smaller than I thought he would be....make of that what you will. I'll take whatever crack you're smoking because for a wrestler Jonny Boy is a Laestrygonian. Not a fella I'd want to get into a bar fight with 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted
ionel Posted September 14 Posted September 14 10 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Not a fella I'd want to get into a bar fight with Let's be real ... you wouldn't want to get in a bar fight with a Girl Scout. Believe there's a song about it. .
Husker Posted September 14 Posted September 14 Jacob Newby - OSU/OU 1994 - freshman - 150lbs - AA 4th (OSU) 1995 - sophomore - 158lbs - (OU) ranked #1 - walks away from the sport 1
BruceyB Posted September 14 Posted September 14 On 9/12/2026 at 7:41 AM, bnwtwg said: Until someone who didn't win an NCAA championship finishes with more world championships than Trent Hidlay, I believe this discussion is closed. The topic should be shifted to "second-best to never win an NCAA championship." And the answer to that is either Tyler Caldwell or Mike Poeta. Thomas Gilman has the same amount of World titles (1), plus 2 World silvers, and an Olympic bronze. Does he not count? And why are Tyler Caldwell and Mike Poeta the answer? Who is on their hitlist that separates them from others? At least at NCAAs Caldwell had the win over Howe and his next most notable win was Colt Sponseller. I consider Caldwell a great 4x AA who could have won an NCAA title or two if not blocked by legends, but those weights were also pretty weak. I mean, Brandon Hatchett made the finals in what was essentially the same field that Caldwell was competing against. I know you are contractually obligated to say Poeta, but he was a 3x AA and couldn't get it done when the topside of the bracket combusted and he got to face an 8 seeded Jordan Leen in the NCAA finals. Seabass will always be the first person that comes to mind when I think of this topic. Wins over.. Spencer Lee 2x Pat Glory Vito Arujau Seth Gross Roman Bravo-Young I don't know how many wrestlers that never won a national title can say the beat 5 current or future NCAA champions. Are there any? 1
Nevaeh Lavarias Pearl City High School, Hawaii Class of 2027 Committed to Kent State Projected Weight: 124
Braeden Simoneaux New York Military Academy, Louisiana Class of 2027 Committed to Wyoming Projected Weight: 184, 197
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