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Police definitely messed up in the Nowak killing, but unless Caveira's twitter follows have a time machine that can't be the justice they are talking about. Do you want the police charged? Money damages? They were wrong, but the police also received conflicting information. Digwa was claiming that he had been attacked and that Nowak had not been stabbed. Digwa's brother had also called emergency services saying Digwa was the victim of a racist attack, no weapon was used, and the victim needed medical attention. The operator said police and an ambulance would be sent. Since an ambulance was being sent the police mistake shouldn't have delayed the ambulance at all. On scene the police could have rendered medical aid sooner without the mistake. They uncuffed Nowak and started CPR 2m 49s after arriving and 2m after Nowak first said he was stabbed. Having to sort through the conflicting accounts and there being no eye witnesses apart from Nowak and Digwa how much do you think the police mistake delayed aid? They probably couldn't instantly determine what had happened. Do you think the delay due to the mistake changed the outcome for Nowak? How much blame for the delay should be placed on the Digwas for providing false information vs the police for relying on it? How does the "two tier" justice system fit in here?

It's probably more of a macro trend than anything to do with the cameras. Car theft is down across the country. Flock argues that the cameras presence suppresses crime, but it doesn't always work. Look at houses with security cameras. Still tons of package theft and cameras can also be an enticement as houses with a lot of security features typically have things worth stealing in them.

In the OP one tweet calls for justice for Henry Nowak - his killer is incarcerated serving a life sentence. It also calls for justice for Stephen Ogilvie - the man who attacked him was arrested at the scene and has been charged with attempted murder. Are you sure these criminals were on the better tier of the two tier system? I don't think more serious charges and sentences are even available in the UK. I suspect authorities and the media treated Hadi Alodid similar to any other person who attempted a similar knife attack. The people Caviara follow on twitter want a single stabbing to be front page news across the county that stays in the news cycle for weeks. This is because they see this as a path to change an immigration policy they don't like. The media treatment of it was less treating it differently and more not treating it differently in a way that benefits the right politically. Amplifying one off anecdotes is probably the best chance they have to bolster their case because system wide statistics probably lean to show the opposite - more harsh treatment for minorities. It should be telling that even the examples they decided to amplify don't even support their premise. They are either lazy or wrong.

So the National Olympic Committee for the UK including England, Scotland, Wales, and all minor outlying territories is the British Olympic Association and they use Team GB (Great Britain) as their team name. Northern Ireland is part of the UK (United Kingdom), but physically located on the island of Ireland and not the island of Great Britain. They are a special case in the Olympics with athletes eligible to compete either for the Irish or British Olympic Association depending on the sport. Before London and the British Olympic Association was selected to host the 2012 games no team had represented the UK, Team GB, Great Britain, England, Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland in soccer at the Olympics in decades. This is because to qualify for the Olympics in Soccer European nations must place top 3 at the U21 European championships the year before. That tournament is run by FIFA so the teams recognized by FIFA (England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland) compete separately and not the country recognized by the IOC, the British Olympic Association/Team GB making it impossible for Team GB to qualify. Ireland could compete in Olympic Soccer and potentially soccer players that usually represent Northern Ireland in FIFA competition could be selected, but Ireland has not qualified for the Olympics in soccer yet. Top 3 in Europe is a high bar for a small country like Ireland. The 2012 Olympics presented a unique circumstance in that the host nation qualifies in soccer automatically. So the British Olympic Association could send a team. That team, Team GB, was the one Beckham, wanted to play for. Team GB has not fielded a team at the Olympics since 2012 largely because of the in ability to do so under the qualifying structure that uses a FIFA competition and the nations' desire to continue to compete independently in FIFA competitions. There are some other nations outside of the UK that are recognized by FIFA, but not the IOC. In addition to other overseas British territories overseas territories of France and the Netherlands compete independently in FIFA. Outside of the British Isles the only such country not recognized by the IOC to qualify for the 2026 World Cup it the Dutch Territory of Curaçao. I think this is the first World Cup appearance for Curaçao and they probably only made it because the field was expanded to 48 teams this year. Men's Soccer at the Summer Olympics features a much smaller field of 12 teams.

They can also have 3 over age players on the team. This is how Beckham was trying to make the Great Britain team in 2012. Ultimately Ryan Giggs, Craig Bellamy, and MIcah Richards were selected as the three over age players. That brings up another interesting difference is that FIFA recognizes some countries that aren’t members of the IOC like England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, etc. Despite the format differences Soccer/Football remains one of the most popular events of the Summer Olympics.

Denver went without Flock cameras in April 2026 due to a gap in the contract. Car thefts were down 29% relative to April 2025. https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/cars/news-blog/report-denver-shuts-down-flock-cameras-auto-theft-declines-45135526

I don’t think this properly frames the entire picture. The Floyd riots were as much about government inaction as they were about government action. One exceptional thing about George Floyd’s killing was that the police officers involved actually faced discipline and criminal charges. That happened in no small part because of immediately available bystander video and the widespread protests/riots. If this had happened on a dark country road late at night with no witnesses around the police might have lied, delayed releasing their video for years, and the viral response that sparked the civil unrest would have been subdued. In other words it could have been like Ron Greene’s killing. I don’t think UK citizens would appreciate US police misconduct. Any case for racist and overbearing policing in the UK is weak. Even after recent decreases in violent crime in the US the UK remains a safer place with a lower crime rate. I don’t really understand what the tweets Caviara posted are even talking about. The migrant in the video was arrested. The mainstream media has reported on it. Henry Nowak’s killer has been sentenced to life in prison. What do they mean by a two tier justice system? Are there cases of migrants/immigrants/minorities committing violent crimes that go unprosecuted and unreported? Or are these all hypothetical?

Seams like Patel jumped the gun on the announcement as more arrests were coming. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/secret-enraged-fbi-director-kash-201604104.html

https://nypost.com/2026/06/15/us-news/nyc-dad-shot-to-death-at-knicks-block-party-just-minutes-after-historic-victory/

Yeah NYC riots post Knicks win were worse, but the Hanshin Tigers celebrations also resulted in one death in 2003. That earlier tweet you posted "Import the third world, become the third world." its kind of nonsense. There were sports riots in this country for decades. This isn't the result of recent immigration policies. In Detroit after the 1990 NBA finals when 8 people were killed. In Chicago after the Bulls won in 1991. After the 1984 World Series win in Detroit. Disco Demolition night in 1979 in Chicago. Ten cent beer night in Cleveland in 1974. It's a long list and this recent riot isn't near the top. Globally some of the worst sports riots have been the result of football hooliganism in first world countries. One of the most infamous incidents is the Heysel Stadium disaster in 1985. This was a clash between Juventus (Italy) and Liverpool (England) fans in Belgium before a European Cup final match. 39 people were killed. The penalties were harsh and changes were made. I don't know if the police were held back or not, but it's a tricky situation to get right. When there are that many people celebrating it can turn to a riot/violence quickly.

Japanese sports fans are not immune from bad behavior after a big win. After the Hanshin Tigers won the 1985 Japan series in an upset, fans celebrated in the streets. A group of fans stole a statue of Colonel Sanders from outside a KFC restaurant and threw it in the Dōtonbori River in Osaka. Following their big win the Tigers had a turn in fortunes and were at or near the bottom of the standings for a few decades. Eventually they would reach the Japan Series final in 2003 and 2005 losing both times. These near victories were not without incident. After winning the pennant in 2003 to reach the Japan Series fan celebrated in the streets and one fan died after being pushed into the canal and drowning in the celebration. The prolonged string of failures gave rise to the myth that the Tigers were cursed - the Curse of the Colonel. This is a similar myth to the Curse of the Bambino in American baseball. The belief was that until the statue was returned the Tigers would not win another Japan series. In 2009 divers recovered the statue from the river, but the Colonel was missing his glasses and a hand. The Tigers reached the Japan Series in 2013, but fell short. This lead fans to speculate that the hand and glasses needed to be recovered to really break the curse. That never happened but a replacement hand and glasses were made and fitted to the statue. In 2023 the Tigers won the Japan Series for the first time since the Colonel was thrown into the river in 1985 breaking the "curse." Sports celebrations even in Japan can cause property damage and death. I am sure whatever country wins this years world cup will experience large scale celebrations/riots with some amount of property damage, but hopefully no death. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_the_Colonel

Rush Limbaugh-Proud Boys isn't very analogous to the SPLC-KKK. Rush Limbaugh is a single person. The SPLC is a non-profit Public Interest law firm. There would be no donors for Limbaugh to defraud. Limbaugh giving money to the Proud Boys would be a PR problem and not wire fraud even if an adverse DOJ was trying to shoe horn charges onto his actions. Ignoring the wire fraud/non-profit/donor dynamic what we have here would be more like if Rush Limbaugh paid someone to attend and Antifa party and report on what transpired. Would you say Random House funded the Hell's Angels when Hunter S. Thompson hung out with them to write a book for them?

The DOJ indictment alleged that the SPLC paid 8 individuals. Did any of those 8 individuals attempt to kill a black person? Have any of them been charged with murder? Paying a criminal for something that is legal is not illegal. Like if an Uber Eats driver sells illegal firearms when he's not on the app the DOJ can't go after Uber for arms trafficking. Sure some of the money they paid the driver might have been used to buy illegal guns and it's a PR problem, but it's not a crime. All this talk of killing black people is kind of irrelevant to the DOJ complaint. The DOJ is charging them with wire and bank fraud not murder. The DOJ's complaint relies on SPLC donors being misled/defrauded by the paid informant activity. If they paid 8 people to inform on KKK activities their donors likely don't view that activity as fraudulent even if Trump, Blanche, Patel, you, conservatives, would like them to.

Someone paid by the SPLC tried to kill a black person? Who is this individual? Did the SPLC know of the attempted murder before he/she was paid?

I'm not sure what you mean. The KKK isn't a 501C3 that the SPLC donated $$$ to. They paid individuals to inform on them. That could rise to fraud if they were paying a majority of their leadership or running these organizations to drum up donations, but if they were paying a small number of informants in these organizations then the donors likely view this as in line with the mission of the SPLC. An equivalent would be if Turning Point paid individuals to infiltrate Antifa and report on their activities. Would conservatives feel defrauded by that? Liberals might try and twist it into charges that they defrauded donors by funding leftist extremism. Donors would probably understand such activity as part of opposing leftist political movements and be unbothered by it.

This is kind of the problem with the DOJ's case against the SPLC. The standard will not be whether Kash Patel or Todd Blanche think what they did was fraud it will be whether the reasonable SPLC donors consider it fraud. Using donations to pay informants in the KKK and other such organizations is probably isn't too surprising to many SPLC donors. If SPLC donors are cool with the program then most of the case goes away.

Isn't this advice that could be directed at the current administration? Why rename the Institute of Peace, the Kennedy Center, Palm Beach International Airport, the Gulf of Mexico, the 7 forts there were named after Confederates, etc.? As you said the bulk of Americans don't care and renaming them costs $$. On top of that naming them something that is so controversial that it will be challenged in courts by a subset of Americans only adds to the cost. Without a doubt some of these naming decisions by the Trump administration are so controversial that they will force future name changes and more costs. I guess as you have said all politicians are trash.

They have been qualified since March of last year. That predates the current war, the internal protests/uprising, and the previous war last June.

Was Angela Davis a elected official in Appleton, WI where this occured? One person saying that 27 years ago thousands of miles away had no impact on what happned.

Yeah he pulled a gun and fired first. I don't think anyone is as saying the police acted inappropriately. Even the man's widow came out and said the police were right to shoot him after the body cam was released. The police had wanted to pat him down and check him for weapons some 10 minutes before the shooting started. They said they needed to do that before the ambulance would transport him. I don't know that the police had any suspicion that he had a weapon they just made it sound like this was a routine thing. That is a little surprising to me but I've never been transported in an ambulance before. Still I feel like people get transported on ambulances without being checked for weapons. Anyway he didn't want to go in the ambulance and didn't want the cops to pat him down. I am sure he knew he had the weapon and knew that getting patted down would result in him being arrested. That would put him in jail for days, weeks, months, or years in jail if they discovered his previous criminal history. I think he was telling the truth that his wife was in the hospital. He probably had some motivation to visit her. When the police notice the bulge that turned out to be a firearm he wasn't going to make it.

I don't recall hearing it before the George Floyd protests. Certainly some Democrat politicians have been tough on crime like Clinton in the 1990s. Some have been less tough. I don't remember that phrase being widely used around the Rodney King riots. Google Gemini says "The 1991 police beating of Rodney King and the subsequent 1992 LA riots, sparked by the acquittal of the officers involved, serve as a foundational, historical catalyst for modern movements to 'defund the police'." It doesn't say anything about the phrase being used widely at the time. All this is sort of irrelevant to Offthemat's example from Wisconsin. Republicans were in control of the funding at that time. The defund the police movement was a year away. If anything it is an example that shows fully funded police get things wrong. You can see the extended body cam video at the link below. Two cops were talking to him for over 2 minutes before the shooting started. No one else was interacting with the man at that time. https://www.postcrescent.com/videos/news/2019/06/14/appleton-shooting-extended-clip-incident/1453248001/

Is the allegation that in the video you posted where Fauci predicted a pandemic before Trump's first term that wasn't a prediction at all. Fauci knew it was going to happen because he knew that $600k from a $3.6M grant to EcoHealth Alliance awarded in 2014 would be subcontracted out to WIV and used for something that fits a definition of gain-of-function research that would lead to the COVID-19 pandemic 3 years later? So what is the tie in to gas prices here? I had said some things that impact the price of gas are within a president's control and others are not. I wasn't really assigning fault of the COVID-19 pandemic to any US president. Not Obama, not Trump, and not Biden. Even if that complicated theory applies dubious blame for the pandemic at Fauci's feet, it would take further conspiracy to assign to blame to a US president as a direct cause of the pandemic which raised gas prices. People can argue about how well Biden and Trump managed the pandemic but neither of them caused it. The same thing can be said of the Ukraine-Russia war. Neither ordered the Russian special military operation in 2022 that turned into an invasion. Contrast this with the Iran War that is currently driving up gas prices. Clearly Trump authorized the airstrikes that started the conflict.

Any proof that NIH funded gain-of-function research?

This was a talk he gave at Georgetown on January 10th 2017. This was 10 days before Trump's inauguration. Not 1 day. Setting that aside, what exactly would he be charged with? He was giving a talk on pandemic preparedness. After that statement he went on to give historical examples and how predecessors who have predicted no pandemics or that infectious diseases were solved were proven incorrect. He quotes Nobel prize winner Sir Macfarlane Burnet "To write about infectious diseases is almost to write of something that has passed into history. The most likely forecast about the future of infectious diseases is that it will be very dull." He remarks that the mistake Burnet made is one many have made and then points out something he said was brought up in an early panel discussion at the event that we must look beyond our borders. Because he didn't make the same mistakes of past immunologists/virologists you think he should be prosecuted? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNXGAxGJgQI&t

You said “I think it was mentioned somewhere in there, that the asinine idea of defunding the police and sending social workers out to do police work is a mistake.” That wasn’t mentioned and couldn’t be a takeaway from the story you posted about the firefighter shot in Wisconsin. That took place in 2019 almost a year before George Floyd was killed and the defund the police movement took off. Police were not defunded. Social workers were not involved. “most policemen are trained and adept at recognizing concealed weapons and dealing with unruly people.” The police in the story you posted took 10+ minutes to recognize the concealed weapon and the man only became unruly when they attempted to deal with it.