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PSU beat MSU 55-0 and MSU won dual over AU by a score of 20-12. PSU also blew out Maryland who blew out AU 37-(-1). I think you only take the under on 55.5 if PSU is going to be sitting more than 1 guy.

Why do people take Elon Musk's claims seriously? Sure he will cut the budget by $1 trillion. The same people that believe that probably believe that he is an elite Diablo/Path of Exile player.

I think only a very gullible person would take a figure from Elon Musk as exact or even legitamate. He has a history of making exaggerated claims/promises that either never happen or are only delivered in part. Some claims made by Musk over the years He had secured funding to take Tesla private. The Cybertuck would be available in late 2021 and the base model would cost under $40k. The redesigned Tesla Roadster would be released in 2020... 2021... 2022... 2023... 2024... 2025? The houses on the Desperate Housewives set were converted to Solar powered houses using Solar City's solar shingles. The hyperloop. Full Self Driving. I am sure his crack team will find some actual waste, fraud, and abuse in time. The waste/fraud/abuse they have frantically compiled over the past two weeks is likely as useful as the mini-sub his crack team at Space X hastily slapped together over a weekend some years ago.

Early? The PSU-AU dual is tomorrow. Do they normally wait until the day of the dual to release odds and start taking bets? I've never placed a wager with a sports book, but it would have guessed they get released more than 24hrs before the event.

Draft Kings does't have a line for this dual. The only one I see this week is OSU-Iowa.

This looks like it could be the most lopsided D1 dual of the year. The largest margin of victory between two D1 teams this season was Penn State-Michigan State which ended 55-0 in PSU's favor. Wrestlestat has MSU ranked 55 in their dual rankings and American is 4 spots lower at 59. MSU defeated AU earlier this season 20-12. AU and PSU have three common opponents this season; Lehigh, Maryland, and Michigan State. PSU defeated Lehigh 36-3, Lehigh defeated AU 36-6 PSU defeated UMD 35-10, UMD defeated AU 37-(-1) PSU defeated MSU 55-0, MSU defeated AU 20-12 So PSU was 33 points better than Lehigh who were 30 points better than AU implying a difference of 63 points between PSU and AU. PSU was 25 points better than Maryland who were 38 points better than AU also implying a difference of 63. Finally PSU was 55 points better than MSU who were 8 points better than the AU implying a difference of 63 points between the Nittany Lions and the Eagles. Can they keep it under 60?

I mean it's not impossible that Caliendo gets the major, but I think it's more likely that Amine wins than Caliendo scores bonus. In 6 years of NCAA competition Amine has conceded a single bonus point.

Roderick's streak had two draws 82-0-2. The longest win streak inside it was only 37. 1958-1959 9-1 (1 win streak) 1959-1960 14-0 (15) 1960-1961 8-0 (23) 1961-1962 12-0 (35) 1962-1963 11-0-1 (win streak snapped 47 unbeaten) 1963-1964 10-0-1 (58 unbeaten) 1964-1965 14-0 (72) 1965-1966 13-1 (unbeaten streak broken at 84) Iowa also had an 84 match unbeaten streak under Brands 83-0-1. Inside that streak there was a 69 match winning streak (3rd longest in D1). 2007-2008 21-1 (14 consecutive wins) 2008-2009 24-0 (38) 2009-2010 23-0 (61) 2010-2011 15-0-1 (Win streak broken at 69, 77 unbeaten) 2011-2012 14-4 (unbeaten streak broken at 84)

Right! Spey was probably talking about the record for a single coach and the answer is Sanderson.

I think the overall number has already been settled thoroughly by JB and others. I had looked into this before the start of the season and the OSU media guide had 76 as their record win streak. I checked other D1 programs and that was the longest I could find. One thing to note about that streak is that is spanned the tenures of two different head coaches. So the longest dual winning streak by a single head coach at the D1 level is 69. Some of the references articles may have been said the longest streak by a coach and not a program. Another detail is that the longest unbeaten streak by a team (or coach) in D1 is slightly longer at 84. OSU did this 1959-1966 and Iowa equalled it under Tom Brands. I think Iowa's steak had a higher winning percentage as it only included 1 draw and OSUs included 2. It's interesting that Iowa's last loss before starting their 84 match unbeaten streak was to OSU. The tie that prevented them from claiming the winning streak record was against OSU. And the loss that ended the unbeaten streak was also against OSU.

Lamer lost last week 2/7.

It would also remove the argument for not having starters wrestle in season tournaments. This would make UMDs loss at 157 last night the seeding criteria rather than the match at CKLV. The conference tournaments had value which has been diminishing over time. In the past a wrestler used to have to perform at a conference tournament to make NCAAs. Now that is not the case. Since the adoption of national wild cards we've seen multiple wrestler go 0-2 and either not take the mat at all or "wrestle" 1-3s and still qualify. From a fan interest and financial perspective only one conference tournament really makes sense every year and that's the Big Ten tournament. Even in that we've seen large numbers of forfeits in the consolations and more recently the finals too. Last year even with the new rule that a med forfeit in a tournament would count as a loss on a wrestlers record this was still happening. I agree with a lot of what you wrote on conferences. I'd prefer them to be more balanced too, but possibly a little smaller than your proposal. If conference duals were to replace the conference tournament I'd like to see a full round robin where each team wrestles every other team in a dual. With 14 team conferences 13 duals means a lot of travel and eats up too much schedule. Even if it doesn't replace the conference tournament I think wrestling every other team in the conference is a plus. As it stands we aren't guaranteed to see Iowa-PSU, Iowa-Michigan, Iowa-Minnesota, Iowa-Nebraska, ect every year. And who cares about 9th and 11th place matches at conferences to decide automatic qualifiers? Smaller more balanced conferences would eliminate/reduce them. Unfortunately Football determines the conferences and all other sports are stuck with it.

It wouldn't make sense to exclude starters from them. Is the NCAA or tournament director going to determine who the starter is? They are still an efficient way for teams from small conferences to wrestle multiple Big ten/12 teams. It's possible it was done for those reasons, but if that's the case he's likely to be disappointed. It's also possible that Miller sustained some kind of injury in the past week and Clemson was bemoaning the lack of defined seeding criteria no because it would give him insight as to how this may affect his wrestler's seed. Supposing Miller gets the 1 seed then there are really only two candidates for the 2 seed. Kasak who has only lost to Miller and Blaze who also only has lost to Miller (assuming he beats Taylor). The other should get the 3. The 4 and 5 seeds go to Taylor and Teemer. Do you have Teemer falling all the way to the 6? I don't think that is likely with his win over Askey last night. If Miller loses he might not even fall to 4/5. He still has the win over Kasak so he might only be the 2 seed (Blaze 1, Kasak 3) which would only put him on the same side as both Teemer and Kasak if Teemer is somehow the 6 seed which is unlikely. Same if he's the 3 seed with Blaze and Kasak ahead of him. I think it takes some chaos for him to be 4/5. Like he loses to Blaze who then loses to Taylor. The order is probably Kasak, Taylor, Blaze, Miller, Teemer. The risk vs reward doesn't seem worth it to throw away the dual and a winning season. The lack of defined seeding criteria makes it less likely to work and more unpredictable. If the coaches perceive the top two wrestlers to be Kasak and Teemer as it seems you do, then they will likely find a way to keep them on different sides. I've been in college seeding meetings like this before - no defined criteria. It's funny how a coach will make a case for their guys to get top seed one minute and then after it goes to someone else they pivot and now their guy should be 4 because the wrestler they wanted to avoid is definitely getting 2 or 3.

I wouldn't assume this was a duck. Maryland lost this dual 14-23. If Brown wrestled and won it's 17-18. Not wrestling hands the dual to Purdue and with a win at 157 Maryland is still in it. Not winning this dual is the difference between a winning season for the Terps and I don't think a loss for Brown significantly changes his postseason outlook. I don't think in season tournaments should be eliminated they serve an essential purpose. It would be nearly impossible for non-starters to accrue significant matches and they are an efficient way for a team/wrestler to compete against multiple opponents. If you want to reduce ducking in Conference duals then eliminate the conference tournament and instead determine if the team gets a national qualifier at a weight based on the teams record in conference duals at that weight. The number of allocations each conference has at a weight is based on rpi/coaches poll. Wild cards round out the field.

Joe Smith was undisciplined to come into the season up at 174. If he came into the season at 165 then they likely settle that roster spot early. Joe Smith likely wins the spot and when the December bump up happens it's Rogers wrestling 174 and there are fewer moving parts when Weigel returns. Geer goes down and you ask Jacobe Smith where he wants to wrestle and give him a wrestle off at either 174 or 184. With all the bumping that happened giving the 165lb loser a second wrestle off could have set off a cascade of wrestle offs the week before Big 12s. The end result could have been multiple guys cutting weight to ultimately compete at the original higher weight. Probably all them wouldnt like how it was handled. I think early February when Weigel's returning you ask them all where they want to wrestle. If someone's dropping then decent plans put that 3-4 weeks out and you let everyone know they will only be allowed to wrestle off at one weight on weight in 3-4 weeks.

This is a little revisionist. I believe they needed him at 174. Preston Weigle got injured and missed two months in the middle of the season. This resulted in Geer and Smith going up and Smith staying at 174 and not going down earlier. If Joe Smith had decided to stay up he would have had to wrestle off returning AA Jacobe Smith late in the season. The situation of a late season wrestle off between two AA one being the offspring of the head coach was unavoidable.

I really don't know. The Rudis website has his birthday as January 2007 - https://www.rudis.com/pages/athlete-detail-bo-bassett

I was wrong about Bassett's age. He was born January of 2007. He just turned 18, so no double hold back or anything like that. He will turn 19 in early January of his senior year in high school, Kolat turned 19 in May of his senior year. About a 4 month age diff.

Pointing out that that Midlands were often tougher than NCAAs and guys like Joe Williams would wrestle in it after graduation are both not applicable to Kolat's 3rd place finish. Selecting Joe Williams as your example was especially funny because he wouldn't wrestle in Midlands for another 5 years, but as I also pointed out there were no significant post grad entires in Kolat's bracket. No post grad wrestler that had placed at the D1 NCAA tournament was in Kolat's bracket in 1989. His bracket was not tougher than the 118 bracket at the 1990 NCAA tournament. Both NCAA finalists and the 7th place finisher were there. Kolat beat the 7th place finisher didn't wrestle the other two. I think the presence of the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th place finishers at NCAAs more than makes up for Kolat's absence. The two facts you gave might be true of some weight at Midlands in 1989, but they were not true of Kolat's.

I think Kolat would have had a chance to win at 126 as a senior, but in Dec of 1991 he was likely a 134 at. He wrestled 135lbs in high school competition and 62kg at the Olympic trials in 1992. 1991 was the year Alan Fried pinned Tom Brands in the final. Fried also has a very accomplished high school career and had placed 2nd to Brands at NCAAs the year before as a redshirt freshman. I think Fried beat Kolat at the US Open some year after this (1995?) and before Kolat eventually made a world team in 1997. Kolat finally won the Midlands in 1993. He would have had a decent shot at winning her year before, 1992. TJ Jaworsky won Midlands at 134 that year which was the same season he came from behind to beat Kolat in the NCAA final.

He took 3rd at Midlands back in 1989. Joe WIlliams is younger than Kolat and would not win the tournament until 5 years later in 1994. This is a year after Kolat won Midlands for the first time. In 1989 when Kolat placed third there were no significant post grad entries in his bracket. Bassett turned 18 in August of last year. He will turn 19 in August of this year and graduate in June of next year. I think this puts him two years older than if he had enrolled at the min age in PA. However if he had done that he would have been one of the youngest graduates in his class like you probably were. Kolat turned 18 in May of his junior year. He turned 19 in may of his senior year. I think this puts him a year older than enrollment at the min age. Kolat had enrolled at the min age and famously intentionally failed 8th grade the first time through. In cases like theirs (and all cases really) I think the hold back holds back wrestling development. Kolat beat AAs in placing 3rd at the Midlands in Dec of 1989 when he was 16 years old. He was too far ahead of his peers by the end of his junior year and would have been better off in a college room. Bassett beat Anthony Ashnault 12-2 last spring at their last chance OTT qualifier when he was 17 years old. Hard to imagine he gets much out of wrestling a high school schedule next year.

Kolat was 3rd at the Midland in 1989 when he was a sophomore in high school. He lost to Sam Geraci in the first round. I think Garaci was the junior college champ that year. Kolat avenged that loss in the consolations. His best win was over Bobby Crawford (Missouri) who would go on to place 7th at NCAA in 1990. Larry Jones beat Jack Griffin in the final at this weight, but having lost in the first round Kolat did not wrestle either of them Kolat was 4th at the Midlands in 1990, his junior year in high school. Kolat lost in the quarterfinals for Ken Chertow 2-1. Chertow was a post grad at this point and had placed 6th at NCAAs the year before as a senior. He was 3rd at NCAAs in 1988 the same year he made the US Olympic team. I've heard that Kolat was penalized for a slam in this match which ultimately proved to be the difference. Chertown would go on to win the tournament defeating Terry Brands in the final 7-4. Kolat beat Shawn Charles (ASU) 7-3 in the consolations. Charles was 5th at NCAAs in 1990 and would go on to place 7th that season. Kolat dropped an overtime bout with Adam DiSabato (Ohio State). DiSabato was 6th at NCAAs the year earlier and would go on to place 4h that year in 1991. In summary Kolat beat two AAs in high school at Midlands. Bobby Crawford his sophomore season and Shawn Charles his junior season.

We should get another important data point on this topic later today.

9 in the top 15 between those years. Spots fill up resources are allocated. PSU can't get them all every year.

Kolat graduated high school in 1992. The 1992 olympic trials would have been the spring of his senior year. The 1991 US Open was likely the spring of his junior year. His junior year I'm pretty sure he was 4th at Midlands and his sophomore year he was 3rd. At some point in high school he beat 1989 NCAA champion Sean O'Day. I think that was in freestyle. Still not sure the format of the 1992 trials and losing to Knight in the mini tournament finals makes him 4th. I also found that Steiner was 3rd at the trails, so maybe Brands didn't wrestle and the final ranking was something like Smith>Fisher>Steiner<>Knight>Kolat with Kolat's 4th place referring to the challenge tournament and Steiner's 3rd place possibly referring to either the challenge tournament or overall.