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So I think the amount would be their gross pay for May. I don't think you should be adding back deductions that may be taken. Though there maybe some fringe benefits unaccounted in their gross pay. The greater uncertainty would be that Taylor and the new assistants were not on the payroll May 1. If you look at the hours Taylor was paid 8 more hours than his assistants. I guess he hired them on day 2. Also Taylor was paid for 34 hrs less than the out going coaches, so maybe his total doesn't even represent a full month of pay either. Also since this is the first month there could be some nonstandard payment included like a signing bonus or relocation. I'm not sure. It does appear that Taylor is being paid more than John Smith and he's likely the highest paid coach aside from maybe Sanderson who's pay is not subject to the same reporting requirements at PSU. Multiplying Taylor's payment by 12 to make a full year it is over $820k. This would be well above Tom Brands's contract which is set or pay him $700k this season.

Some payments in May's Oklahoma State payroll appears to be to the new OSU coaches. Not sure if this represents their standard monthly salary but I am sure someone could file a public records request and get their contracts to get to the bottom of it if so inclined. There were also payments to what appeared to the the former coaches in May. A lot of $$$ to wrestling coaches in May 2024.

Alan Meltzer American University. Are successful UFC fighters among the largest donors at any school? If so OSU would be leading the way in fundraising.

Since I keep getting corrected below is the updated list, ordered by final NCAA competition year, with Milkovich's numbers corrected. Sarcpello, Kilgore, Burley, and Goldman remain the most senior "single digit" guys that are not distinguished members. I think Jake Herbert is the most senior single digit guy that also has a world medal and Mocco is the most senior that made an Olympic team. For my next 4 I will say Scarpello, Burley, Herbert, Mocco.

Yeah It doesn't match for me. Category is A stand is C. I have the same entrance as you

I think that's right about Long's record at ISU. Two arrests both alcohol related at least one he was either in a fight or fought with the police. I am not sure of his ultimate convictions. Though not the biggest reason Ferrari cannot find a team it's still part of the totality of circumstances, which are not great. Ferrari and OSU parted ways after the sexual battery investigation became public but well before he was charged with anything related to it. I suspect AJ and his brother had been worn out their welcome well before this incident. If he had been in good standing otherwise and denied any wrongdoing, he probably would have only been suspended until it was resolved. This is how Minnesota handled Steveson's rape allegation. Steveson was suspended after the arrest and allowed to resume wrestling after the prosecutor ultimately declined to charge him. Ferrari injects dysfunction into a team in a way that Long and Steveson do not. Long also had an optimal situation to make that move happen, which is kind of the point of this thread. Long's former coach was now at another school which was perhaps one piece away from a team title. If Sanderson was not coaching and the top 2-3 teams didn't need a 125-133 he would have had more trouble making a move.

That was actually the 2015 Midlands in the 2015-2016 season, which was his one season at Grand View. He was arrested for his parole violation in March or Feb 2016, so he was likely in a stable training situation for Midlands. He admitted to using cocaine and alcohol recently at the time of his arrest, so probably wasn't totally on the straight and narrow. Long was 3rd at NCAAs at 133 for PSU in 2011, so it's not surprising to see him have success up a weight. Especially considering those guys you listed went a combined 1-4 at NCAAs that year. What's surprising is how easy his path was, considering that Midlands bracket contained Seth Gross, Anthony Ashnault, Matt Kolodzik, Chris Mecate, Kevin Jack, and Rick Durso.

I dunno. Ferrari's situation is unique. We won't find an exact match. Brands is probably the closest situation with a wrestler of Ferrari's caliber. Though Ferrari is more of a sure thing on the mat now vs Brands coming out of high school. On one hand you have a 1-time Iowa state champ with baggage and on the other you have a 1x NCAA champ with baggage. Of course not. Even if he wasn't out of eligibility a 4th chance just isn't happening for Long. Long was a registered sex offender when the got his third chance at NAIA Grand View. He wasn't allowed to live on campus because of his sex offender status. Still he messed that up and was arrested for a parole violation. He tried to use substitute urine in a drug test to conceal drug use. The coach there wasn't sacked after that. I think you are overstating the risk to the coach that gives Ferrari a second chance. If this is just Ferrari messing up again it probably doesn't take out the coach. It the coach was on thin ice to begin with, whatever goes down involves multiple team members, or there is some attempt to cover it up then that's different. The school has little to worry about in terms of lawsuits too, but if he was a registered sex offender like Long that would be different. I think the biggest obstacle to Ferrari finding another team isn't the sexual battery charge now that it's been dropped - its everything else. This is evidenced by Iowa ostensibly courting him up to at least the Soldier Salute incident. His situation might be closer to former MLB Pitcher Trevor Bauer. Bauer was accused of sexual assault by multiple women, but all those charges were dropped and one women was even found to be lying to attempt to extort him. She is being charged with filing a false report. Still Bauer despite being a Cy Young winner cannot find an MLB team. He was somewhat universally disliked in the clubhouse, seen as selfish, adversarial with the league, and his social media was a distraction at times. After being out of the league for a year he played in Japan last year and this year is playing for a Mexican team. This off season he finally changed his tune from "I did nothing wrong" to taking responsibility that his off field activities though not illegal had a negative effect on his team/teammates. Still no team signed him. It will take him singing that tune along with the right set of circumstances for him to find a team.

Is it? Because on my order it says I paid for Category A standard.

Cross had beaten Brands at the US Open earlier that year and taunted Terry telling him he was "finished." Probably wasn't trying to console him at the trials.

He doesn't have a sexual assault charge - it was dropped. Depending on how the question on the application is worded he might not even have to formally explain himself. And even if he has to disclose I think someone charged, but not convicted should have a path to get a higher education at a state institution. Okay then replace Marstellar with Tom Brands. He wasn't charged, but was accused of sexual misconduct and disciplined for it in high school. This is why he didn't wrestle in the state tournament as a senior he was suspended. I reckon Gable decided whatever happened was a mistake but wasn't criminal and Brands was unlikely to get into similar trouble at Iowa. A head coach could make a similar determination of Ferrari.

Some would but for entirely different reasons. PSU is at the top so a lot of people hate them for that or at least wouldn't want to see another top recruit go there. I don't think that's the point. If no one cared there would be no point in him doing this. It will get more attention then just announcing PSU, but it inevitable won't be all good attention. An athlete going from high school to college is about the only demographic that could pull this off with the modest level of criticism he's receiving. If the top NBA free agent this offseason tried something similar they would be roasted by all the talking head shows. It would be 100 fold worse. That whole LeBron the decision came from those press announcement for college commitments. It was far more douchey when LeBron did it.

There is a risk, but the potential rewards are larger than the bonus for having an individual champ. Getting a small time team into the top 10 is the kind of thing that lands you a big job. Both Jack Spates and Mark Cody turned small programs into top 10 teams which landed them the OU job. The risk should be somewhat less at a mid or lower program. Scott Moore didn't lose his job when Marsteller got arrested at Lock Haven after being shown the door at OSU. Sure it might get you fired at Princeton or Duke or Davidson or somewhere like that, but if you pick Rider, one of the PSACs, or a small state college they are likely have a longer leash. I would argue that Ferrari has been on a trajectory up and to the right. At OSU there were allegations of burglary (expunged), sexual battery (dropped), and unsafe lane change (guilty) which caused a major accident. The issues that we've heard come out of Iowa City by comparison have been minor and not criminal. Heck if he slapped a teammate at a smaller school and flipped off the crowd at a mid or lower D1 program it would get less than half the attention. On FRL today they said he visited Northern Colorado and Rider. Northern Colorado had that guy ripping overhooks on people for multiple years and Nickerson is still there. With Allirez staying they could be a top 10 team with these two in the lineup.

Millenial here. It's nonsense.

I didn't say I didn't care not. He might be the #1 overall recruit, so I think his ultimate choice is significant news. I don't care for the long drawn out process. The 7 or 14 schools he's eliminated are not news. It's a total snooze. Stringing everyone along to just to eliminate schools in the most predictable way ever is just bad entertainment and the more people invested will just lead to more people disappointed. If he's going to this nonsense at least spice it up somehow. If he's going ultimately pick the most predicable school then drop some other big name early on and as often as possible. Next week kick out Ohio State or Iowa or both. That would at least be news. Bassett eliminates Iowa. Big news. More to discuss. Bassett eliminates Bloomberg - not so much.

In googling this I found a similar discussion on Facebook where the names Kelber, Cross, Randy Lewis, and Chris Hoffman (freestyle in HS - I've never heard of him) were mentioned. I tried to find all there college losses, but I'm still missing a few. Below is what I have Terry Brands High School: 110-10 (2 State Titles, lost in finals as a senior) College: 137-7 1987-1988: Redshirted unsure of losses this year probably wrestled in at least the Drake Open 1988-1989 26-4 (Larry Jones & Jack Griffin Midlands, Jack Griffin one other time - Possibly at the Northern Open where he finished 3rd) 1989-1990 33-2 (Gary McCall Wisconsin Open?, Kendall Cross dual?, Prescott double DQ Virginia Duals?) 1990-1991 43-1 (Kelber NCAAs, Chertow Midlands - Chertow postgrad) 1991-1992 35-0 Tom Brands High School: 109-12 (1 state title lost to Kelber) College: 158-7-2 1987-1988: Redshirted. Unsure of record. 1988-1989 32-4-2 (Kendall Cross NCAAs, Jim Martin NCAAs and Midlands, 2nd at Northern Open) 1989-1990 40-2 (Dave Zuniga Big Tens, Alan Fried) 1990-1991 45-0 1991-1992 41-1 (Fried Midlands) So I think I am missing one loss each from their freshman year. Tom's loss at the Northern Open. Possibly Terry's loss at the Northern Open too - unless that was his second loss to Griffin. No idea on their losses in their redshirt year.

This whole thing will only be worthwhile if there is some plot twist at the end where he picks a school very few would have predicted. If he picks what everyone expects then what is the point?

That is the most detailed seating chart that I have found as well. It's what's in the Paris app. My ticket specifies an entrance (number), stand (letter), block (letter and number - letter is the same as stand, but number different than the entrance number), Row (number), and seat (number). I don't know where it is on that chart. My stand is C so maybe somewhere in the light blue?

Probably somewhere. An individual national champ would mean a lot to a lot of programs. Probably not any offering Ferrari a bag of cash. He'd really have to change his attitude, be contrite, and acknowledge his roll in his current situation. Coleman Scott's contract at UNC had a bonus of $20k if a wrestler won a national title. I'm sure some current coaches have a similar bonus. At $20k with a 1 in 4 chance that's an EV of $5k. If Ferrari actually has 3 season left that number could go up. For a coach with such a bonus this could mean up to $60k in bonuses if AJ runs the table. On the other hand Scott's contract with that bonus also had a bonus for team GPA. That bonus was smaller ($5k) but could be harder to get with Fast Twitch on the roster.

The talk about US wrestlers potentially getting stuck in Russia reminded me of Sam Hazewinkel's retelling of the time Michael Lightner nearly got stuck in Dagestan. The Russian mob fast tracked him out of the country. https://www.flowrestling.org/video/6745216-hazewinkels-crazy-michael-lightner-story

It is a risk. If the US isn't invited maybe he could apply to participate as a neutral athlete represent AIN or something? Though I don't think any nations weren't invited the last time. It could be a compelling competition at least in terms of wrestling. None of the men's freestyle gold medalist from the 2021 Olympics will be in Paris. It's possible 3 (Uguev, Sidakov, and Sadulaev) will be at this.

I think the timing is better than in 1984. In 1984 they had some events before the Olympic Games and others after. That schedule doesn't seem likely to draw many nations participating in the Olympics, but the 1984 Friendship games were largely supported by teams that were boycotting the 1984 Olympics. This time around, I suspect they think it's more important to try and get teams to do both rather than boycott the Olympics in favor of the Friendship Games.

Kelber and Cross might be a complete list. Who were their college losses? Tom was 159-7-2. He lost at Midlands his senior year to Alan Fried. His junior year he was undefeated. His sophomore year he lost to Dave Zuniga at Big Tens and to Alan Fried I think at an open or maybe an early season dual. His freshman year he was 32-4-2. He lost to Kendall Cross and Jim Martin at NCAAs and also lost to Martin in the finals of Midlands. I'm not sure about the 4th loss. Terry's record is 137-7. He was undefeated as a senior. His junior year his only loss was to Kelber in the NCAA final. His sophomore year he was 33-2. One loss was in an early season open to Gary McCall and the other one may have been that double DQ with Jeff Prescott. His freshman year he lost 4 matches. Two of those were at the Midlands to Larry Jones and Jack Griffith. Not sure about the other two. Maybe Steve Martin at some open?

Russia previously announced their intent to revive the World Friendship Games this year. It is scheduled to be held September 15-29 and wrestling is on the program among other sports. Russian officials states that they expect at least 70 countries to partake. Have any countries announced they are sending a team? Do you think any American wrestlers will compete? Flo has been pushing the idea of Jordan Burroughs trying to make the 2024 World Team at 79kg and the possibility of him meeting Sidakov there. I'm not sure how likely that is to happen, but I also recently saw on social media that Sidakov is planning to enter into MMA. I'd think Dake or Burroughs going to the Friendship Games for another crack at Sidakov at 74kg before he goes into MMA would be a pretty compelling story. Similarly Spender Lee seeking out Uguev or Snyder taking on Sadulaev there would be pretty badass, in my opinion. Almost like something out of a Rocky Movie. For those that don't know the history of the Friendship Games, they were last held in 1984 when Russia and much of the Eastern Bloc boycotted the 1984 Olympics in LA. Athletes from 49 countries participated including nearly all the top athletes in the Eastern Bloc. The only American to make the trip was sprinter Alice Brown who won a Silver medal in 100m LA. She was unable to duplicate her success in Moscow and did not medal at the Friendship Games.

Yes the median is the middle value. If there are an odd number of values this is the one in the middle. If there is an even number of values then it is the mean of the two middle values. Koll coached for 14 years which is an even number. The middle values are 19.25 and 23 points. Up until sometime in the 1990s it was possible to earn 1/4 of a point at NCAAs. A fall was 1 bonus, a TF was 0.75, and a major was 0.5 at some point. The average of these two is 21.125 or displayed to 0.1 precision 21.1. I kind of disagree on the merits of using the mean for NCAA placement, which was the only stat where I omitted it. Often, and especially for lower point totals, a difference of a few points can mean several places. Coaches don't coach that many years so a single off year can move the placement mean more significantly than the points. For Sunderland his mean placement was 14.6 and for Koll it was 13.6. Over 2 points is added to Sunderland's average by a single year, 2002, when they finished 35th. I omitted median from both AA and individual national champs. In the case of champs it was useless - they are both 0. For AAs it didn't seem that useful either. For Koll it's 1.5 and for Sunderland it is 2. I think the mean is more useful here too. I was consistent here. I also didn't count Sunderland's AA placements in his totals either.